Why was Dan & Ephraim left off the 144000 list?

Question

Will there still be a pearl gate named after Dan, and will not there be a gate for Joseph and both Manessah and Ephraim be included under Joseph's name.

Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Could it be that the Irish & English get wiped out early in the tribulation

Answer 1

For those above, a link:



http://www.britam.org/



Or two:



http://angelmessage.org/judahs_sceptre/index.html



Maybe one more:



http://www.cog21.org/abip.html



Edit: Actually Dan did get greedy, but not for land. They were the first tribe to go into idolatry and they set up their own worship center and altar in their alloted territory. Have to look it up later.



It is unlikely the Irish and English get wiped out at the point of time you suggest. The scriptures suggest that a tithe of a tithe of all Israel (10% of 10%) will survive the coming punishment from the Almighty.

Answer 2

Well, the lists in the Bible vary—there are no two identical lists!



Gen. 49: Reuben, Simeon and Levi, Judah, Zebulun, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Joseph, Benjamin



Numbers 1: Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph (Ephraim, Manasseh), Benjamin, Dan, Asher, Gad, Naphtali



Ezekiel 48: Dan, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Reuben, Judah, Levites (sons of Zadok), Benjamin, Simeon, Issachar, Zebulun, Gad



Revelation 7: Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin



The reason for this is sometimes the descendants down the line were named rather than the original person. They are all still considered by Jewish authorities to be literal lists (take a list of the names from Revelation to a local Rabbi to confirm).



Why might Ephraim not be specifically mentioned in Revelation (even though Joseph is, so that tribe is still covered)? That answer may be found in Isaiah 7:8: “"For the head of Aram is Damascus and the head of Damascus is Rezin (now within another 65 years Ephraim will be shattered, {so that it is} NO LONGER A PEOPLE).” Also see Hosea 4:17: "Ephraim is joined to idols; Let him alone." (& Hos. 7:1-16) -- v. 13 says, "Destruction is theirs, for they have rebelled against Me!"



Why might Dan not specifically be included? It could be because Judas was from the tribe of Dan. Acts 1:16 says, “Brethren, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit foretold by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus.” That can be followed to Psalm 109:8-13: “Let his days be few; Let another take his office…LET HIS POSTERITY BE CUT OFF; IN A FOLLOWING GENERATION LET THEIR NAME BE BLOTTED OUT.” Or the answer could be found in Judges 17:1-18:31, where we are told the Danites turned to idol worship and Amos 8:11-14, which says, "They will fall and not rise again."



I could be off target here, but I do feel like it's a pretty good, educated guess taking these Scriptures into consideration.

Answer 3

Great q!



Dan got greedy and took more land than God had given him in the beginnings of the Promised Land when it was divided between the twelve tribes. And he was caught victim by the paganism of the people he conquered - against God's will, remember. The tribe of Dan basically disappears from scripture at this point! So God basically wrote Dan out of His will forever! God can do these things.



He knew it was coming as He told Joseph that he would receive a double share of the inheritance (ultimately salvation) - and he did through Joseph and Mannasseh!



BEWARE!



ALWAYS do God's will and NEVER YOUR OWN!



Regarding your comment on the Irish and English - I have no comment.



:-)



God bless!

Answer 4

Ephraim is covered by Joseph. Not mentioned as Ephraim as they were main tribe to lead northern kingdom astray And Dan was first tribe to partly anyways turn away from Lord as they were not satisfied with their inheritance and turned to idol worship in Judges.



As for names on New Jerusalem yes Dan will be there Ephraim and Manasseh wont Joseph will cover them for Joseph was actual son of Jacob.

Answer 5

There will be 12000 of every tribe included in the 144000. The Irish and English are Gentiles and they don't have anything to do with this.



Revelation 7:4-8

4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.



Genesis 10:1-5

1Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

2The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.



You give me thumbs down as if my answer is a lie or are you angry at the truth? I didn't write the info found in the link below but you can investigate for yourselves. Simply research the descendants of these people.



http://www.ldolphin.org/cooper/appen3.html



Psalm 2:1,4

1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.



Jeremiah 16:19

19O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Answer 6

Do you really think they were left off the list? perhaps not, considering the next verse.



Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;



I don't know, but it gives thought.

Answer 7

what are u talking about????.. the 12 tribes in order will be

Reuben,Simeon, Levi, Judah,Dan, naphtali,Gad, Asher,issachar,Zebulun, jospeh, and Benjamin.... and Reve. 21:12 has nothing to do with them being left out...its is only a description of the gates of heaven...

Answer 8

What about the Danish? Is it a coincidence?

Answer 9

They had cooties.