Jehovah's Witnesses: Is Jesus God or Michael?

Question

I was asked to start another thread.

I was told that JWs are Christian. It is my belief that you must worship Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior in order to be a Christian.

A big part of the JW reason for not worshipping Jesus the way they worship Jehovah, is that they do not believe that Jesus is God in the flesh, rather they believe He is really Michael the archangel sent to earth.

Achtung (I'm quoting you b/c I'm assuming you'll follow me to this thread since you requested it.) said previously:

"Jehovah's Witnesses teach that no salvation occurs without Christ, that accepting Christ's sacrifice is a requirement for true worship, that every prayer must acknowledge Christ, that Christ is the King of God's Kingdom, that Christ is the head of the Christian congregation, that Christ is immortal and above every creature, even that Christ was the 'master worker' in creating the universe!"

Answer 1

Chris·tian

Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.

Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus' teachings.

Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.

Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.

Showing a loving concern for others; humane.



*the actual definition of a Christian has nothing to do with "worshipping Christ."

Jesus absolutely was God's "master worker," please give me the biblical reference that states that God is the "Master Worker." Jesus deferred to his father throughout his life, he never professed to be an equal to his father. Matt. 26:39, 1 Cor. 11:3, Joh 14:28; 17:3; 20:17; Mr 15:34.

Jesus never requested that his followers worship him. Jehovah God, however, does demand exclusive devotion, and this is why HE and not Jesus is worshipped. Ex. 20:5



* It appears as though you are looking not for information, but a verbal/scriptural sparring match. You seem angry, and I'm sorry about that.

Answer 2

Yes but ask yourself this simple question but first read The book of Daniel 7:9-13. first who is the Son of a man? What is his name? who is the Ancient of Days. So you see two people not one but two one old and let say a young one, the Ancient is Jehovah the son of a man is his Son, his name will be in the future Jesus but it will be 600 years later, but in heaven what was his name? if you see Daniel 12:1 talk about a Great prince that will bring people back from the dead in the future and will be a great tribulation? doesn´t sound like the role of Jesus but Guess what his name is Michael the Only Archangel that mention the bible (gabriel wasn´t you will never going to find that description) later Paul talks that the voice of Jesus in the future is a voice of Archangel, ok Jesus couldn´t be less of an Archangel, if he is higher then the bible dismiss his authority so the only option is that he is an Archangel but he is a god also, How? simple god is not a given name is a title, in 2 Corithian 4:4 give the title of God to Satan and Satan was a Cherub (ezekiel 28:10) so Jesus is the higher angel, the chief of them so is proper to call him a god in the greek original scripture John 1:1 mentioned two times the word "God" and the second time was written "god" in the original language was written in different ways not in the translation but the original, and if we go to revelation we will not finish within one whole week.

Answer 3

Jesus is the Son of God, and actually the bible is pretty clear that Jesus is the one who did the work of creating everything.



An "archangel" is not the same as a regular angel. The bible never uses the plural word "archangels", so there is no proof that there is more than one archangel. If there is one archangel in charge, who else would it be except Jesus?



About 50 years ago JWs decided that they would only use the word "worship" with the Father Jehovah, but its just a word thing and doesn't change that their Christians. They just think Father and Son must be different people instead of the same person. You might be interested that this agrees with about a third of people who THINK they believe the Trinity.

Answer 4

Think of it like this. Jesus is not God himself as God is truely One and when I say One it is literally One not 3 in 1 as God as God is not a God of confusion and certainly not a "mystery" as many trinitarian churches call Him. God is certainly not mysterious even if His power is unsearchable and without bounds.

Jesus was the archangel Michael in heaven before he come to earth in the form of a man. Logically only a creation could become another form of creation, God is a Creator and has never become a creation. Jesus Christ is the spokesman of God, he is our communication channel to God. God good works and even our salvation go through his beloved begotton Son Jesus Christ.

Churches have mixed up a lot of things over the centuries and have done so on purpose many times to suit their ends.

Such as to convert pagans to the political power of christendom. Christmas and Easter were originally pagan holidays that were adopted into christendom. Pagan worship of tri-gods were adopted into christendom into the trinity that we have today in churches.

It is not what the Bible really teaches but church traditions, doctrines and creeds that have been handed over the centuries to the worshippers. Jehovah's Witnesses have taken the teaching of the Bible back to how it should of been originally taught when the apostles were alive in the first century and many people are finding delight in learning and living by the Truth of Jehovah. I can grant you that the Churches of christendom have made Jehovah's people their enemies because of the teaching and preaching work of sharing what the Bible really teaches.

But the message of the coming heavenly kingdom with Christ as designate king over the entire earth after Armageddon is the hope and joy they have brought to millions of Jehovah's Witnesses. They can't build kingdom halls fast enough to accommodate the millions who share in such wonderful earthly hope.



No longer is God without a name. His name is Jehovah.

Psalms 83:18



God is not a cruel torturer of the wicked. Jehovah is love.

1 John 4:16

John 15:17

Matthew 5:45



God is not an organisation of godheads. Jehovah is one God

Isaiah 44:6

John 17:3

John 4:24





The Earth will not be destroyed. The entire Earth will become a paradise of meek ones who will live forever without sickness and pain.

Psalms 37:11

Matthew 5:5

Isaiah 65:21-24



Jesus is not a God. Jesus is Jehovah's begotton Son the firstborn of all creation and the image of the invisible God.

Colossians 1:15

Revelation 1:1 & 3:14



The Churches of Christendom is filled with the memorials of war. Jehovah's people do not fight against fleshly men for their enemies are spiritual forces of darkness. No Jehovah's Witnesses pick up arms against other nations.

2 Corinthians 10:4

1 Cornithians 10:20

Psalms 37:9,10

Isaiah 2:4

Psalms 72:16

Answer 5

Just to add to achtung's answer, the word translated in John 1:3 (KJV) "by" is as follows;

διά

dia

dee-ah'

A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through (in very wide applications, local, causal or occasional). In composition it retains the same general import: - after, always, among, at, to avoid, because of (that), briefly, by, for (cause) . . . fore, from, in, by occasion of, of, by reason of, for sake, that, thereby, therefore, X though, through (-out), to, wherefore, with (-in). In composition it retains the same general import.

So if you think that since the KJV translators used the word "by" instead of "through" to show that Jesus IS the creator, it means the same thing here, so no dice! ;)

Answer 6

If you really cared for an answer, you would ask for a Bible study to learn the answers, rather than try to get some short answer in here. Or do you fear you are not up to the challenge?

Answer 7

JW is false because it claims Jesus is not God! Jesus was there when Creation took place! Jesus is God because that's what He called Himself to be! If you read John first chapter you will see that The Word, meaning Jesus, was before Creation, The Word was with God and the Word was God! The Word took a human form and came to Earth! The Word died on the cross and was risen! Paul says that Jews did not receive Jesus as God and that was their mistake! JW is another form of Judaism in my opinion, a way to keep people from the Truth that is Jesus!



JW is also false because they teach that only 140,000 will be saved! Jesus says that anyone who calls on His name will be saved! That means millions and millions of people! I don't even know why JW bother spreading their false teachings if they have such a limited amount of people being saved.

Answer 8

the truth is jesus is a human which giving a power to lead the people..by teaching the truth of what god said to us..when jesus time he spend his intire life by preaching people the truth and tell to people that he is not God but a messenger of God.pls find the right church .when you find the church which only preach of what bible say , that is absollutely the true church

Answer 9

What about where Paul DIRECTLY calls Jesus "God?"



Titus 2:13 That’s how we should live as we wait for the blessed hope God has given us. We are waiting for Jesus Christ to appear in all his glory. He is our great God and Savior.

Answer 10

I agree with what you said. My sister in law is JW, she acts really weird about Jesus, even more so than what JW claim they believe. Interested to see answers.

Answer 11

you are getting all confused. JC is the son of God and he is not God. But God did say if you meet JC its just like meeting him because he is his son. Got it?

Answer 12

***Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. Michael is the only one said to be “the archangel,” meaning “chief angel,” or “principal angel.” The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief, or head, of the angelic host. At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is described as being that of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel.



This text depicts him as descending from heaven with “a commanding call.” It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Mt 28:18; Re 17:14) If the designation “archangel” applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to “an archangel’s voice” would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God.



There are plenty more scriptural references, but I don't want to go on and on for paragraphs for just this part of the question.



***Prov. 8:30 "then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time." This master worker, Jesus, was beside the creator. Not "THE" creator.



Col. 1:15, 16, RS: “He [Jesus Christ] is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth.” In what sense is Jesus Christ “the first-born of all creation”? (1) Trinitarians say that “first-born” here means prime, most excellent, most distinguished; thus Christ would be understood to be, not part of creation, but the most distinguished in relation to those who were created. If that is so, and if the Trinity doctrine is true, why are the Father and the holy spirit not also said to be the firstborn of all creation? But the Bible applies this expression only to the Son. According to the customary meaning of “firstborn,” it indicates that Jesus is the eldest in Jehovah’s family of sons. (2) Before Colossians 1:15, the expression “the firstborn of” occurs upwards of 30 times in the Bible, and in each instance that it is applied to living creatures the same meaning applies—the firstborn is part of the group. “The firstborn of Israel” is one of the sons of Israel; “the firstborn of Pharaoh” is one of Pharaoh’s family; “the firstborn of beast” are themselves animals. What, then, causes some to ascribe a different meaning to it at Colossians 1:15? Is it Bible usage or is it a belief to which they already hold and for which they seek proof? (3) Does Colossians 1:16, 17 (RS) exclude Jesus from having been created, when it says “in him all things were created . . . all things were created through him and for him”? The Greek word here rendered “all things” is pan′ta, an inflected form of pas. At Luke 13:2, RS renders this “all . . . other”; JB reads “any other”; NE says “anyone else.” (See also Luke 21:29 in NE and Philippians 2:21 in JB.) In harmony with everything else that the Bible says regarding the Son, NW assigns the same meaning to pan′ta at Colossians 1:16, 17 so that it reads, in part, “by means of him all other things were created . . . All other things have been created through him and for him.” Thus he is shown to be a created being, part of the creation produced by God.



***Revelation 12:7-9 “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.”



The title “archangel” means “chief of the angels.” So it is not surprising that Revelation speaks of “Michael and his angels.” Other places where the Bible mentions angels subject to a righteous servant of God have reference to Jesus. Thus, Paul speaks of “the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels.”—2 Thessalonians 1:7; see also Matthew 24:30, 31; 25:31.



16 These and other scriptures lead us to the inescapable conclusion that Michael is no one else but the Lord Jesus Christ in his heavenly position. Now, in the Lord’s day, he no longer merely says to Satan: “May Jehovah rebuke you.” Since this is a time of judging, Jesus, as Michael, hurls the wicked Satan and his demonic angels down from heaven. (Jude 9; Revelation 1:10) It is most fitting that He should be the One to do this, as He is the newly installed King. Jesus is also the Seed, promised back in Eden, who will ultimately crush the head of that original serpent, thus putting him out of existence for all time. (Genesis 3:15) By ejecting Satan from heaven, Jesus has moved toward that final crushing.



***Revelation 12:10-12a “And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them!’”



The finishing of the sacred secret of God calls for Jesus to take authority in Jehovah’s Kingdom. The way is thus opened for God to carry out his great purpose to deliver faithful mankind. Jesus brings salvation not only to his God-fearing disciples now on earth but also to the countless millions of dead ones who are in God’s memory. (Luke 21:27, 28) Satan’s being called “the accuser of our brothers” shows that, even though his accusations against Job were proved false, he kept right on challenging the integrity of God’s earthly servants. Evidently, he repeated on many occasions the charge that a man will give all he has in exchange for his soul. How dismally Satan has failed!—Job 1:9-11; 2:4, 5.



*** John 17:11 ". . .in order that they may be one just as we are one." Jesus used the same Greek word (hen) for “one” in these instances. Obviously, Jesus’ disciples do not all become part of the Trinity. But they do come to share a oneness of purpose with the Father and the Son, the same sort of oneness that unites God and Christ.

Answer 13

The premise of this question is faulty. Jesus has always enjoyed an elevated position, higher than any mere angel. Jesus was the only creation performed completely and personally by Jehovah, and the only one who enjoyed untold aeons of close uninterrupted association with God the Father as His only-begotten Son. Jesus was and is far higher than any mere angel; it saddens Jehovah's Witnesses when their critics misrepresent what the Witnesses actually believe in this regard. With such critics in mind, this answer includes both a modern English translation and the King James Version of each Scriptural passage.



Perhaps much of Christendom's anger at Jehovah's Witnesses results from a semantic misunderstanding about the word "angel"....



YES, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the term "angel" can be used to refer to literally EVERY spirit creature including Jesus; but...

NO, Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT believe that any spirit creature ever was or ever will be an equal to the heavenly Jesus. God could not have selected any more glorious personage than God's only-begotten Son Jesus to be mankind's ransom sacrifice.



(John 17:5) Father, glorify me [Jesus] alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was [created].

(John 17:5, KJV) Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.





The bible plainly teaches that God the Father used Jesus the Son as the creating agent to create all the heavens, all the physical universe, and all the creatures who live in both (angels, humans, and the lower creatures). The ultimate creative powers originates from God the Father, and that power is actually exercised under the Father's direction by (or "through") the "master worker" Jesus Christ (See Proverbs 8:22,27-30 "I came to be beside [God] as a master worker [or "one brought up with him", KJV]").



(Colossians 1:12-16) Thanking the Father... He delivered us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son...15 He [the Son] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him.

(Colossians 1:12-16, KJV) Giving thanks unto the Father... Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son... 15 [The Son] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him



(John 1:3) All things came into existence through [Jesus the Word], and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.

(John 1:3, KJV) All things were made by [Jesus the Word]; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



(John 1:10,14) The world came into existence through him, but the world did not know him. ...So [Jesus] the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father

(John 1:10,14, KJV) The world was made by him, and the world knew him not. ...And [Jesus] the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)



(Hebrews 1:1-4) God... has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. [Jesus] sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. So he has become better than the angels

(Hebrews 1:1-4, KJV) God... Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; [Jesus] upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels



(Revelation 3:14) [Jesus] the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God...

(Revelation 3:14, KJV) Saith [Jesus] the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God...



(Genesis 1:26) God went on to say: “Let us ["the Father" and "the Son"] make man in our image, according to our likeness

(Genesis 1:26, KJV) And God said, Let us ["the Father" and "the Son"] make man in our image, after our likeness



(1 Corinthians 8:6) There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are

(1 Corinthians 8:6, KJV) To us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.



(Micah 5:2) And you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me [Jehovah] the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose [Jesus'] origin is from early times [rather than without beginning]

(Micah 5:2, KJV) But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he [Jesus] come forth unto me [Jehovah] that is to be ruler in Israel; whose [Jesus'] goings forth have been from of old [rather than without beginning]



Thanks for the opportunity to discuss the distinctness and relationship of Jesus and Jehovah!