Question:
Jehovahs Witnesses, in Exodus 3:2, who is 'Jehovah's angel?
the truth has set me free
2007-12-11 05:31:16 UTC
and why, in Exodus 3:6 does this angel identify himself as 'the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob', and, in verse 7 as Jehovah. How can an angel claim to be God unless he is God. Bear in mind that angel means messenger and Jesus was God's ultimate messenger. Is therefore, the 'angel of Jehovah actually Jesus, and, if so, does that not also make him Jehovah God?
Eighteen answers:
anonymous
2007-12-11 06:09:05 UTC
The angel came as a representative from Jehovah, so it was like Jehovah himself was speaking to Moses.



There are many Biblical examples where in one verse it says an angel came, then later on, as if it were Jehovah himself.



Compare with the following;

**Many believe that Moses spoke to Jehovah directly on Mount Sinai. Look at these verses- Galatians 3:19, Acts 7:38



**Judges 6:11, 14,15,22



**Judges 13:2-18, 22



**Genesis 18:1-19:1



How can your messenger be you yourself? If you carry your own message, then you cannot be called a "messenger". A messenger always carries the message of SOMEONE ELSE.
TeeM
2007-12-11 06:19:53 UTC
In bible times, when speaking in someone's name as their representive, is many times referred to as the originiator speaking.



The very fact that the bible identifies Jesus as the messenger, and not the source disproves the trinity.



Jesus himself says "No man has seen God AT ANY TIME"

(Caps by me)



Thus Jesus was telling us Jehovah himself, or God himself did not appear to Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob.



As the image of God, seeing Jesus is the same as see God,

Just as a picture or a mirror reflects the image, what you see is not the real person.



If you believe Jesus is more than an image you are being blinded by Satan.



2 Cor 4:4



If you believe Jesus is more than an image then you are an unbeliever.



2 Cor 4:4



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Azazel (Advocatus Diaboli)
2007-12-11 06:15:47 UTC
In legal terms, we use the expression "attorney of power". That means that this person have the capacity of representation, and in any legal environment, like a court room, a trial, or in a simple business operation, the "attorney" will be taken as the client himself. I mean they're not going to say the name of the lawyer or representative, they will say, "The Enterprise" or "The Client" decide this, decide that, accept this, etc.



Am I clear? I hope so.



The angels are messengers of God, they are invested with a... how could say... "divine power of attorney" perhaps? So according with that "power" is perfectly understandable that an angel say "You are fighting against God!" or something like that.



Another example that comes to my mind is, any defense or emergency service like police, red cross, army... when USA send his army somewhere, we say "USA is fighting there right now" We don't say... "General Morris, Captain Stevens, Private Smith, Private Ryan... (a long long etc.), are fighting there right now"... right?



I hope this help you somehow.



Greetings,

A.
anonymous
2007-12-11 06:59:41 UTC
Two things happened 1. The angel appeared in the bush then went.

2 God saw him going to the bush and then spoke from the bush.
trustdell1
2007-12-11 12:55:40 UTC
Jehovah God uses angels, visions and dreams to talk to his followers.



Exo 33:20 states “And he added: “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live”



So in order for his followers not to die, God uses a channel, such as angels to transmit his messages.



Jehovah could have used Jesus as angel because Jesus is the Word. It doesn’t mean though that the channel used is God himself. The angels are not God themselves, visions and dreams are not God.
jeni
2007-12-11 05:43:43 UTC
THE ANGEL OF GOD AND GOD HIMSELF TALK TO MOSES



Exo.3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law,

the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of

the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.

3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of

fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold,

the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great

sight, why the bush is not burnt.

3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God

called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses,

Moses. And he said, Here am I.

3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from

off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of

Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid

his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
Drop short and duck
2007-12-11 05:48:40 UTC
This was the first coming of Jesus Christ onto this earth and the Essenes wrote about the second coming of Messiah between 350 BC and until AD in the scriptures that have been translated so far. If Jesus had come the second time then there is no doubt as to his second presence on this earth evermore. Makes you wonder doesn't it.



Then if we believe the Egyptian version of Mosses, then Jesus was actually killed on the mountain top with Mosses. So then, if this is true then, who was the later Jesus killed by the Romans.
bobonumpty
2007-12-11 06:30:47 UTC
no angel would claim to be god as Jehovah is god and the first angel was his son Jesus who is not a god ....as we are are all children of god would that make us all gods ...dont think so
jupiteress
2007-12-11 05:40:55 UTC
Could be he brings a message from the father. It seems the father has many sons but no wherre does it tell who the mother is.



If I place God and Jehovah together remove a few letters then we might get Goovah, or Jehgod:

What does it matter these stories were written over 2000 years ago give or take a couple of thousand. Or that is what we are told.
keiichi
2007-12-11 07:57:34 UTC
"Mal'ak" describes a person or persons who, as representatives of an individual or community, are charged with representing at some distance the interests of their principals to others.



"Mal'ak Jehovah" or mal'ak Elohim is a phrase that has special meaning. It describes one commissioned by God to carry out His mission among people.



Ex 3:2 "mal'ak Y@hovah ra'ah labbah 'esh tavek c@nah ra'ah c@nah ba`ar 'esh c@nah 'akal"
dd
2007-12-11 05:40:15 UTC
God is omipresent.

Its there in each and every particle of the universe.

If a particle claims to be God, its fine, though its not perfect essence of God. Though God is in it too.
anonymous
2007-12-11 07:43:42 UTC
I am not sure that I have a good answer for you...I see your point though.....you have some very good support here...I will watch from the sidelines and see where this goes.
anonymous
2007-12-11 05:37:21 UTC
only God knows? reading your question made me go all confused.....
anonymous
2007-12-11 05:37:54 UTC
the truth has set you free



God bless,



finally someone who can see throguh the darkness that is the freemasonic enterprise of the Jehovah's witnesses



if they are not convinced by multiple predictions of the end of the world



maybe this will



if only God the father knows the hour



and Charles Russell had multiple guesses of the hour



doesd that mean that mr russell thinks he is God?
Fröken Fräken
2007-12-11 05:46:37 UTC
I don't know. I'm confused. And stop coming round to my house. I don't want to read the Watchtower.
anonymous
2007-12-11 05:36:10 UTC
im sorry is it just me but ;;;;;; READ YOU R BIBLE BEFORE ASKING A STUPID QUESTION
Lady Louisa
2007-12-11 05:35:19 UTC
Yes, he is Jesus, and he is God.
anonymous
2007-12-11 05:35:15 UTC
oh no ive gone cross eyed.....


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