Is religion based more on faith or logical evidence?

Question

If the answer is both, please explain why faith is needed when there is logical evidence.

Answer 1

It depends on who you ask. I, for one, believe that I see logical evidence of God every day. But some other people call that faith.

Answer 2

Hi Waltz #2 (XO)



"Religion is a system of social coherence based on a common group of beliefs or attitudes concerning an object, person, unseen being, or system of thought considered to be supernatural, sacred, divine or highest truth, and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions, and rituals associated with such belief or system of thought. It is sometimes used interchangeably with "faith" or "belief system"but is more socially defined than that of personal convictions."



There are many, many, religions.

I am wondering if your question is ask in reference to God and the Bible. God and the Bible are not about religion. God and the Bible are about the 12 tribes of Israel. Not just the tribe of Juda, which is the tribe that Jews come from. Yes even the New Testament is about that system. Both the old and new testaments message is about God's people Israel and the kingdom of God.



The tribes of ISRAEL. No they are not lost, as many will have you believe

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Reuben = France

Levi = Scattered

Simeon = Scattered

Judah = Jews

Zebulon = Holland

Issachar = Finland

Dan = S. Ireland / Part of Denmark

Gad = Switzerland

Asher = Belgium Luxembourg

Naphtali = Sweden

Ephriam = Britian / Canada / Australia / S. Africa

Manaseh = America

Benjamin = Norway



You see America on the list. Are you of the tribe of Manaseh, you ask? If you are not Jew, and are Caucasian, the answer is YES, or a member of one of the other tribes. But most likely you are of the tribe of Manaseh.

You discovered that there are 13 tribes listed. That has to do with the tribe of Joseph, Ephriam and Manaseh. Long story perhaps you will learn of it some day.



Neither God nor any of the tribes of old practiced religion. Jesus and the diciples did not do religion. Paul did not pratice religion. None of God's true Churches of God which came after the diciples did or do now practice religion. It is about Israel and the soon comming Kingdom of God. The soon comming Kingdom will be set up on this earth, replacing all other goverments.



Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.



Pay close attention to answers which you receive from religionist. They will try to bring God into their RELIGION.



Do have a great day. Don't practice religion, or perhaps your fate will be. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



Again. Have a great day.

Answer 3

Logical evidence.

Blind faith ain't worth diddly-squat.

Romans 10:17 says faith FOLLOWS the thing heard.

So we must hear, think, reason and meditate on something BEFORE accepting it as true.

We must see the logic and reasonableness first.

Hebrews 11:1 defines faith as an ASSURED expectation.

Assured because the person has looked into matters and proven it to himself.

It also uses the term 'evident demonstration' ....evident coming from the same root as evidence.

The word 'faith' simply means conviction.

One should only be convinced AFTER examining it thoroughly and seeing the logic.

Answer 4

Neither.

Faith, not logic, pleases and contacts God. Logic assists belief and serves ones relation to the physical world.



Faith is not greater belief or even belief without proof. Faith is a human sense and ability gifted by God; which in some respects is like intuition.

Faith has eyes, belief only acceptance.



Looking at the ocean, the mountains the night sky; by logic tells most that there is something greater outside themselves. A glimpse of creation also triggers something inside that draws many to seek answers.



Logic cannot begin to touch the essence of the granduer of creation or the potential of life.



The evidence of human study is beginning to tell that we are emotional and not logical beings. As such faith serves us better than logic.



Religions are not based on faith but sets of beliefs or teachings which need to be accepted. God only sets forward two beliefs. (1) Believe that He is. (2) Believe that He is a rewarder of those who deligently seek Him. That's it!

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(A) Religions are not based on faith or logical evidence but upon systems of belief.

(B) Belief is nothing but mental acceptance.

(C) Religions pervert the idea of belief until the lie that belief and faith are the same is accepted.

(D) Religious leaders then present to followers the belief system as the "affirmation of faith" that is, they say, pleasing to God.

(E) In this manner religions and religious people put themselves between God and individuals and religion takes the place of God.



Religions are neither logical or faith based but exist on belief (mental acceptance) alone.



Scripture says the devil believes and trembles. If belief pleased God, the devil would have been in heaven ages ago.



I have attempted briefly to describe one of the prime religious deceptions of mankind over thousands of years.

Answer 5

There is little or no logical evidence for the majority of beliefs held by the faithful. They seem content to accept the most incredible things on faith.

Answer 6

I would say evidence, check this out.





1. There was insufficient time for legendary influences to expunge the historical facts. The interval of time between the events themselves and recording of them in the gospels is too short to have allowed the memory of what had or had not actually happened to be erased.



2. The gospels are not analogous to folk tales or contemporary "urban legends." Tales like those of Paul Bunyan and Pecos Bill or contemporary urban legends like the "vanishing hitchhiker" rarely concern actual historical individuals and are thus not analogous to the gospel narratives.



3. The Jewish transmission of sacred traditions was highly developed and reliable. In an oral culture like that of first century Palestine the ability to memorize and retain large tracts of oral tradition was a highly prized and highly developed skill. From the earliest age children in the home, elementary school, and the synagogue were taught to memorize faithfully sacred tradition. The disciples would have exercised similar care with the teachings of Jesus.



4. There were significant restraints on the embellishment of traditions about Jesus, such as the presence of eyewitnesses and the apostles’ supervision. Since those who had seen and heard Jesus continued to live and the tradition about Jesus remained under the supervision of the apostles, these factors would act as a natural check on tendencies to elaborate the facts in a direction contrary to that preserved by those who had known Jesus.



5. The Gospel writers have a proven track record of historical reliability.



I don’t have enough time to talk about all of these. So let me say something about the first and the last points.



1. There was insufficient time for legendary influences to expunge the historical facts. No modern scholar thinks of the gospels as bald-faced lies, the result of a massive conspiracy. The only place you find such conspiracy theories of history is in sensationalist, popular literature or former propaganda from behind the Iron Curtain. When you read the pages of the New Testament, there’s no doubt that these people sincerely believed in the truth of what they proclaimed. Rather ever since the time of D. F. Strauss, sceptical scholars have explained away the gospels as legends. Like the child’s game of telephone, as the stories about Jesus were passed on over the decades, they got muddled and exaggerated and mythologized until the original facts were all but lost. The Jewish peasant sage was transformed into the divine Son of God.

Answer 7

the logical evidence is in looking at the glories of nature and the creations which man can enjoy but which he, himself can never duplicate or create himself. the faith part comes in when one believes without being to see with one's own senses THE CREATOR who made all of these things which we are allowed to enjoy.

Answer 8

Two absolutes:



1. There is no crying in baseball

2. There is no logic in religion.

Answer 9

It is based on both. I wanted proof. And found after some time of trying to disprove the Bible, that I could not. There was too much evidence.

Answer 10

There is no logical evidence in the bible of any other book of faith.that leavces faith only

Answer 11

Faith, Logic has no place in religion.

Peace.

Answer 12

Religion is totally faith-based. Otherwise it would be called science.

Answer 13

faith...there is nothing logical about religions.

Answer 14

Islam is based on faith and jihad, The Bible has never been disproven.

Answer 15

i think that your faith helps carry you when you may have doubts,or just have feelings of despair.faith is a very powerful thing,and it can be very intimidating to those who don't have any

Answer 16

faith God shows himself to those who trust him

Answer 17

depends on how you define religion.

Answer 18

Ofcourse it is

Answer 19

If I believed only on faith, it will be like I believe with my guts. N that is not much of solid ground.



I believe in logic. 2+2 = 4. People say two 2s cannot make 4. But it can. square root of 0.2 power -2 is four. How do I know?? That's logic. If people say that two 2s cannot make four, they are in error.



So I started being inquisitive. Should I believe in God?? Which God and why??? N let me tell u, Islam is the ONLY reliegion which has logic. Even from the scientific point of view. Even from the social point of view. Even from the point of view from a woman. People have propoganda against Islam only when they go to places like Pelastine and stuff. Islam as a reliegion is very logical. Read Quran And Modern Science - Compatible or Incompatible by Dr.Zakir Naik. It will give u some pointers on why I believe in Islam and it will show u I believe logically. U'll find the book at the end of the page http://www.irf.net/irf/drzakirnaik/index.htm



By the way, the Bible has been disproven. Quran (as far as I know) has not been disproven. For eg. I got this from http://www.irf.net



If you glance through the Bible and the Qur'an you may find several points which appear to be exactly the same in both of them, but when you analyse them closely, you realise that there is a difference of 'chalk and cheese' between them. Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with Christianity or Islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true; however if you verify the relevant passages of both the scriptures against scientific knowledge, you will yourself realize the truth.

a. Creation of the Universe in Six Days

As per the Bible, in the first book of Genesis in Chapter One, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period. Even though the Qur'an mentions that the universe was created in six 'Ayyaams', 'Ayyaam' is the plural of years; this word has two meanings: firstly, it means a standard twenty-four hours period i.e. a day, and secondly, it also means stage, period or epoch which is a very long period of time.

When the Qur'an mentions that the universe was created in six 'Ayyaams', it refers to the creation of the heavens and the earth in six long periods or epochs; scientists have no objection to this statement. The creation of the universe has taken billions of years, which proves false or contradicts the concept of the Bible which states that the creation of the Universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each.

b. Sun Created After the Day

The Bible says in chapter 1, verses 3-5, of Genesis that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the Universe by God. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the Bible (Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of Creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun. In contrast with the contents of the Bible on this issue, the Qur'an does not give any unscientific sequence of Creation. Hence it is absolutely absurd to say that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) copied the passages pertaining to the creation of the universe from the Bible but missed out this illogical and fantastic sequence of the Bible.

c. Creation of the Sun, The Earth and the Moon

According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system.

d. Vegetation Created on the third day and Sun on the fourth day

According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible?

If Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) was indeed the author of the Qur'an and had copied its contents from the Bible, how did he manage to avoid the factual errors that the Bible contains? The Qur'an does not contain any statements which are incompatible with scientific facts.

e. The Sun and the Moon both Emit light

According to the Bible both the sun and the moon emit their own light. In the Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verse 16 says, "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night".

Science tells us today that the moon does not have its own light. This confirms the Qur'anic concept that the light of the moon is a reflected light. To think that 1400 years ago, Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) corrected these scientific errors in the Bible and then copied such corrected passages in the Qur'an is to think of something impossible.

11. ADAM (PBUH), THE FIRST MAN ON EARTH, LIVED 5,800 YEARS AGO

As per the genealogy of Jesus Christ given in the Bible, from Jesus through Abraham (pbuh) to the first man on earth i.e. Adam (pbuh), Adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago:

i. 1948 years between Adam (pbuh) and Abraham (pbuh)

ii. Approximately 1800 years between Abraham (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh)

iii. 2000 years from Jesus (pbuh) till today

These figures are further confused by the fact that the Jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old.

There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the Bible.

The Qur'an too speaks about Adam (pbuh) as the first man on earth but it does not suggest any date or period of his life on earth, unlike the Bible - what the Bible says in this regard is totally incompatible with science.

12. NOAH (PBUH) AND THE FLOOD

The Biblical description of the flood in Genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with Noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of Adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of Abraham, at a time when Noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd Century B.C.

This story of the flood, as given in the Bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in Egypt and the third dynasty in Babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century B.C. This contradicts the Biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water. In contrast to this, the Qur'anic presentation of the story of Noah and the flood does not conflict with scientific evidence or archaeological data; firstly, the Qur'an does not indicate any specific date or year of the occurance of that event, and secondly, according to the Qur'an the flood was not a universal phenomenon which destroyed complete life on earth. In fact the Qur'an specifically mentions that the flood was a localised event only involving the people of Noah.

It is illogical to assume that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) had borrowed the story of the flood from the Bible and corrected the mistakes before mentioning it in the Qur'an.

13. MOSES (PBUH) AND PHARAOH OF THE EXODUS

The story of Moses (pbuh) and the Pharaoh of the Exodus are very much identical in the Qur'an and the Bible. Both scriptures agree that the Pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue Moses (pbuh) and led the Israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The Qur'an gives an additional piece of information in Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 92:

"This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"

[Al-Qur'an 10:92]

Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although Rameses II was known to have persecuted the Israelites as per the Bible, he actually died while Moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in Median. Rameses II's son Merneptah who succeeded him as Pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of Merneptah was found in the valley of Kings in Egypt. In 1975, Dr. Maurice Bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the Mummy of Merneptah, the findings of which proved that Merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the Qur'anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the Pharaohs' body being kept at the Royal Mummies room in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.

This verse of the Qur'an compelled Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who was a Christian then, to study the Qur'an. He later wrote a book 'The Bible, the Qur'an and Science', and confessed that the author of the Qur'an can be no one else besides God Himself. Thus he embraced Islam.