To Jehovah's Witness...Who were witnesses of Jehovah before the religion was formed?

Question

Like, who were true followers in say, 1600? You know what I mean? I'm confused on that.....Oh yea, one more question....During armageddeon, is Jehovah going to destroy those who never got to learn the truth, i.e. babies?

Answer 1

Your first question is very important, and I've answered it before. I'm not going to use the space to copy it here, because I want to give you the Watchtower quotes for your second question since most the JWs who have answered are dancing around the Q without giving you a straightforward answer based on their literature. This is the link to my previous answer: https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20101027233928AAQHV4d



On to the next-- "During armageddeon, is Jehovah going to destroy those who never got to learn the truth, i.e. babies?"



"What will happen to young children at Armageddon? The Bible does not directly answer that question, and we are not the judges. However, the Bible does show that God views the young children of true Christians as "holy." (1 Cor. 7:14) It also reveals that in times past when God destroyed the wicked he likewise destroyed their little ones...Would it not be wise for parents to pursue a course that would result in their children being looked on with favor by God both now and at Armageddon?" Reasoning from the Scriptures 1989 pp.47-48



"Children are affected by the course of their parents, and parents are warned that their iniquity is visited on their offspring unto the third and fourth generation. Parents are commanded to instruct their children in God's way, and if in these last days parents refuse to heed the divine instruction and warning they bring destruction upon themselves and their small children at Armageddon. According to justice God can leave such children dead, for, as Ezekiel showed, all die in their iniquity." Watchtower 1950 Nov 15 p.463 Questions From Readers



"By all the evidences this system of things is hastening to its final confrontation with the God of justice at Armageddon. Parents and children who fail to gain the "mark on their foreheads," that is, an adequate appreciation of God's moral standard, are sure to suffer. Parents will be held accountable for their children, and children will suffer for the failure of their parents." Watchtower 1968 Feb 1 pp.83-84



"Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the 'great crowd,' as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil. They will make up the 'flesh' that Jesus Christ said would be saved through the worst tribulation of all human history. As it was in the days of Noah, said Jesus, so it would be in the day when He would be revealed. Inside the ark that took many years of organized effort to complete, only eight human souls survived the global Deluge. They survived as a united family group...For survival into the Millennium under the Greater Noah, Jesus Christ, they have to remain organized with the anointed remnant, 'the chosen ones'..." Watchtower 1989 Sept 1 p.19



"At the Flood all those people outside Noah's ark, namely, the men, the women, the children and babies...all such then living were suddenly executed by God's direct act and were thus destroyed forever. So it will be with all persons on earth who are not in harmony with God's kingdom at the fast-approaching battle of Armageddon." Watchtower 1965 Mar 15 pp.165-66



The above quotes illustrate the Watchtower's (JW) view of what will happen to children and babies at Armageddon. I disagree with their view. For instance, in the last quote, the WTS claims that those destroyed in the flood were "destroyed forever." However, according to Romans 5:13: “For until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is NOT imputed when there is no law.”



The word “imputed” in this verse literally means “charged to one’s account.”



The written law was given to Israel at some point between 1491-1445 B.C. The flood occurred circa 2350 B.C. Therefore, the flood happened PRIOR to the existence of the “Law,” and I believe their dogmatic statement ignores Romans 5:13 as well as other verses of Scripture.



This is simply one of the scare tactics used by the Watchtower Society to keep their members in fear so they wouldn't think to question them.

Answer 2

Since Abel there have always been a few true worshipers of the true God, Jehovah, until today. They knew his name and practiced pure worship. So they were his witnesses. The time was not right until now for a world-wide preaching work to be done as Matt. 24:14; 28:19-20 orders from Jesus.



As for your 2nd point, " is Jehovah going to destroy those who never got to learn the truth, i.e. babies?" Notice what Paul says at Acts 24:15, "that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. " This would indicate those declared righteous and not declared righteous as there would be no point in resurrection of willfully wicked.



That would follow Jehovah's qualities of fairness of Justice and Righteousness. He would allow those who died without ever knowing about God or the choice each individual must make between service of God or Satan. After Armageddon, Jesus will rule God's Kingdom government for a thousand years. During this time, the planet and all living things on it will be brought back to the perfection existing in Eden as God left off earthly creation.



After this, "When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things under him, that God may be everything to every one." (1 Cor. 15:28) Jesus will then peacefully turn over his rule to his Father, Jehovah.

Answer 3

Right Jesus was the original Witness to Jehovah, his followers that worked with him and any one else with a true heart that worked to spread the word of Jehovah, his laws and his ways of life.



As for your second question, the way that I understand it, if a person dies at Armageddon then that's it for them.

As for people that do not come to know Jehovah before that day they will be resurrected as the unrighteous, along with the righteous ones I.E the ones that took him to heart in life. As for the ones that had the chance to come to know Jehovah and his Kingdom Message but did nothing about it then they will be destroyed and removed from memory for ever.

Answer 4

There were some true followers within the 1600s, but who they are is unknown at this point. The parable in MATTHEW 13:24-30, 36-43, Jesus walked about the weeds and the wheat. The weeds are the true anointed followers of Jesus and the weeds are the false ones that the Devil has planted within the churches of Christendom.



During Armageddon, is Jehovah going to destroy those who never got to learn the truth?



The answer is, Yes. However, those who have died prior, will have a chance on being resurrected.

Answer 5

First of all, Jehovah did not form that RELIGION, or ANY religion for that matter! "Religion is the process of man trying to achieve goodness, perfection, and acceptance with God by his own efforts." The "religion" called "Jehovah's Witnesses" was formed by their founder "JUDGE" RUTHERFORD, at the same time (1932) that the real Jehovah's Witnesses, the Jews, were rejected by that same organization (1931). It was replacement theology; this is why the "Jehovah's Witnesses" adhere so much to RULES and "REQUIREMENTS" (such as the blood issue, which is supported mainly by O.T. law). It is interesting to note that Contrary to some publicity made concerning "Jehovah’s Witnesses," Pastor Charles Taze Russell is not the founder of this religious group. He was never associated with them, nor did he ever claim the name. Pastor Russell died in 1916, while the "Jehovah’s Witnesses" did not come into existence until 1931. Linking Pastor Russell with "Jehovah’s Witnesses" leaves the decidedly mistaken view that their teachings and beliefs are alike. Such is not the case. Pastor Russell founded what has been called "The Bible Student’s Association." This movement had its beginning in the 1860’s in Allegheny, Pa. when earnest Christians formed a Bible class for advanced Bible study to meet the then rising wave of infidelity. In 1879, Zion’s Watch Tower Society was formed, later knows as The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. This Society did not become the central authority for the Bible Students, for all cooperating congregations of Bible Students held strictly to congregational self-government. The Society only served to coordinate the activities of the various congregations. After the death of Pastor Russell in 1916 the purpose of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society changed completely. Many teachings were discarded. The congregations in harmony with the Society relinquished congregational rule. The Society became the central head and authority over all congregations willing to yield their sovereignty. Basic doctrines of the Society seriously digressed from the teachings of Pastor Russell, and before long "Judge" Rutherford declared that those associated with the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society were "Jehovah’s Witnesses" on this earth. Here is where the name emerged—certainly not in Pastor Russell’s time. After Pastor Russell’s death, The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society began to rise as a hierarchy over the once independent congregations. Many refused to surrender their Christian liberty and here started the work of separation. As early as 1917 this exodus from the Society began, and those who appreciated the wonderful harmony of the Bible as taught by Pastor Russell are today known as "Associated Bible Students."

Answer 6

Who were the witnesses back then:



They are the faithful servants of Jehovah God upholding Jehovah's sovereignty (Prov 27:11). In Hebrews 12:1 we can read.."So, then, because we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us" Who are these witnesses? In the previous chapter (Hebrews 11) they are enumerated. Ofcourse Jesus. Rev 1:5 says.. and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “The firstborn from the dead,” and “The Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him that loves us and that loosed us from our sins by means of his own blood—



WIll Jehovah destroy those who didnt learn the truth? Jehovah is not wicked. He can read the heart of an individual. :-) It is up to his perfect judgement.

Answer 7

There are true Christians all through the different denominations. And it’s wrong to think that only Jehovah’s Witnesses are true Christians.



FYI: you can ignore Jill Durango, or whatever he’s calling himself these days. He’s not a JW. In this question, the lemon guy agrees that religion is not rational and simply a crutch for weak-minded people:



https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20101205143516AA6kBPd



Does that sound like a JW do you?

Answer 8

First question: The Jews.



Isaiah 43 vv 1-10:

But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, [...] O Israel, [...] Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen.



And to the second question - God is not unjust. If He destroys someone, they will have deserved their fate. It is clear from scripture that after the battle there will be a significant number of survivors who live during the 1,000 year (initial) reign of Christ, and a second judgement at the end of that time. So those who did not know the truth at that time will have an opportunity to accept Christ and obtain salvation.



{I am not a JW though}

Answer 9

Ratchet is correct.



Also Isaiah 43:10-11 reads, “YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that YOU may know and have faith in me, and that YOU may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. 11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”



KJ, 10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.



Also with regards to your other question, we cannot say who will get through Armageddon, that's up to Jehovah who can only read hearts.



However those who shun us and say "I don't want to know", or those who have made there choice up to the point of Armageddon have at that point made there choice, and Jehovah will judge these accordingly. They will not be able to say, "no one warned me".



The bottom line is, we cannot say who will live and who will die. We only go from what happened in the time of Noah and other bible accounts for those who were not on Jehovah's side.



I hope this helps.

Answer 10

Starting Abel to the end of first century Christians, Jehovah God always have an individual or a group of people to represent him in telling/witnessing the truth about him and his qualities. From the start of second century Christians onward (please read the illustration of the wheat and the weeds found in Matt 13:24-30) and then at the harvest season which is the time we are living, please read Micah 4:1-4; Isaiah 2:2-4 along with Isaiah 43:10-13.



In Matt 13:24-30, the wheat represent Jehovah's true witnesses but they were over shadowed by the abundance of weeds up until the harvest season to gather the wheat into the storehouse.



As far as for Armageddon, I'll let you draw your own conclusion using and meditating on God's thoughts.



1 Chronicles 28:9 says: “And you, Sol′o‧mon my son, know the God of your father and serve him with a complete heart and with a delightful soul; for all hearts Jehovah is searching, and every inclination of the thoughts he is discerning. If you search for him, he will let himself be found by you; but if you leave him, he will cast you off forever."



Exodus 20:4-6 says: 4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. 5 You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me; 6 but exercising loving-kindness toward the thousandth generation in the case of those who love me and keep my commandments."



(Ezekiel 9:4-7) And Jehovah went on to say to him: “Pass through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and you must put a mark on the foreheads of the men that are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the midst of it.” 5 And to these [others] he said in my ears: “Pass through the city after him and strike. Let not your eye feel sorry, and do not feel any compassion. 6 Old man, young man and virgin and little child and women YOU should kill off—to a ruination. But to any man upon whom there is the mark do not go near, and from my sanctuary YOU should start.” So they started with the old men that were before the house. 7 And he said further to them: “Defile the house and fill the courtyards with the slain ones. Go forth!” And they went forth and struck in the city.



(Ezekiel 9:10) "And as for me also, my eye will not feel sorry, neither shall I show compassion. Their way I shall certainly bring upon their own head.”



(2 Thessalonians 1:7-9) "But, to YOU who suffer tribulation, relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength."



I know every parent(s) love their young ones esp babies. But are those parents loving their babies enough to save them by heeding Jehovah's perfect law and righteous standards of living? -Psalm 19:7; Deuteronomy 6:4-9; 30:15-20; 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

Answer 11

Jesus Christ; the nation of faithful Israelites; Christ's followers:





“...The faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God."---Revelation 3:14



"Jesus Christ, 'the Faithful Witness,'

'The firstborn from the dead,' &, 'The Ruler of the kings of the earth'..." --Revelation 1:5 http://watchtower.org/bible/rev/chapter_001.htm?bk=rev;chp=1;vs=5;citation#bk5





"You are my Witnesses", is the utterance of Jehovah, "...that I am God". --Isaiah 43:10-12 http://watchtower.org/bible/isa/chapter_043.htm?bk=isa;chp=43;vs=10-12;citation#bk10



"His seed itself will prove to be even to time indefinite,

And his throne as the sun in front of me.

As the moon it will be firmly established for time indefinite,

And as a faithful witness in the skies.”---Psalm 89:36,37





"...You will be haled before governors and kings for my sake,

for a witness to them and the nations."---Matthew 10:18



"...He that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.  And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come."---Matthew 24:13,14





Bible prophecy states that there would be a period of time when true Christianity would not be active:



"For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories." --2 Timothy 4:3,4



"...These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively. Also, with covetousness they will exploit You with counterfeit words. But as for them, the judgment from of old is not moving slowly, and the destruction of them is not slumbering." --2 Peter 2:1-3 http://watchtower.org/bible/2pe/chapter_002.htm?bk=2pe;chp=2;vs=1-3;citation#bk1



"I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among You and will not treat the flock with tenderness, and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves."---Ac 20:29,30



"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. Watch out! I have forewarned You."-

--Matthew 24:24,25 and Mark 13:22,23



Did Christianity remain pure as a beacon in a darkened world, or was it adulterated?



"What Does the Future Hold for Christianity?"

- A Sneak Attack on Christianity

- Christianity Subverted

http://watchtower.org/e/200702/article_03.htm



Jehovah's Witnesses--Who Are They?

http://watchtower.org/e/jt/index.htm

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Answer 12

Don't you love how JWs copy and paste from their literature. They truly are sheep. Isn't it time to start reading the bible and getting and idea of what is says for yourselves?? The bible was written for all men to be able to read and understand.



You don't need a writing commitee at the watchtower to interpret everything for you.

Answer 13

After the apostles of the first century died out. True religion faded from existence until Jesus returned as King. This time is prophesied about and is called the times of the nations. There were individuals who grasped Bible truths but no group had Gods blessing. Once again this is all explained in the Bible.

Answer 14

True followers were there but most of them were secret followers. Because the torture was severe to those who believed Jesus. Jehovah Witness is only a cult which was formed during 1 or 2 centuries before. It is not a Christian one. It has its' own Bible which distorts the original one. So Their beliefs are really awkward.

Jehovah will never do what is injustice. He is a just and loving God. So He will keep them safe.

Answer 15

well i wont know but for sure, Jehovah is banned in singapore.