Question:
so do atheists believe in spontaneous generation or what?
Eric
2012-02-08 12:46:41 UTC
how do you yall think life started? spontaneous generation i would assume.
21 answers:
Matthew
2012-02-08 12:48:10 UTC
God says its because they are fools. Psalm 14:1
Hal Roach
2012-02-08 12:49:34 UTC
No, but creationists stupidly think that abiogenesis (the formation of the very first, simplest self-replicating organisms) is the same thing as spontaneous generation (e.g. fully-formed rats being generated from a case of wheat, maggots from a slab of meat, etc.). Many creationists also believe that humans were created by a magical being who molded clay and breathed into it.



>>@Hal Roach, take it easy there big man,



You troll internet forums and then expect people to "Take it easy"?



>>I just posted the definition



Dictionaries show usages, not definitions. Again, if you still don't understand the difference between the biochemistry of abiogenesis and the Aristotelian beliefs about spontaneous generation (e.g. frogs materializing into existence purely out of mud) that scientists like Pasteur debunked, then you don't understand the topic. I could give you references, but I know that you're not sincerely interested in learning about the topic. I know that you're trying to equate the two because you think it somehow lends credibility to your own beliefs.



Regardless, atheism means absolutely nothing more than "no belief in a deity". Being an atheist does not obligate one to believe in any particular hypothesis about the origin of life, let alone hold one in the first place. The only thing you can say for sure is that an atheist doesn't credit the act to a deity.
M
2012-02-08 12:53:07 UTC
Not spontaneous, but over time due to other processes in the natural world acting on the non-living matter.



A deity poofing life into existence would be spontaneous generation as well.
2012-02-08 12:47:50 UTC
I believe the term you are looking for is abiogenesis.



Edit based on your additional details: Actually, spontaneous generation is an antiquated term that does not indeed mean the same thing as abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is a real thing. Scientists have reproduced it in a laboratory. I do believe in real things and I do believe that life on earth began through abiogenesis and evolved into the current critters we have on earth. Maybe you might do a bit of reading on the subjects so you're better informed.
Katya
2012-02-08 13:12:23 UTC
It is now widely agreed that at the origin of life there was not the current DNA/(RNA)/protein system for gene information on one hand and catalysis, regulation, and structural function on the other. It would beg the question, what came first, protein or DNA? Protein catalysis without gene information, which allows it to be maintained and propagated, is not sufficient in the long term, and DNA gene information without catalysis, necessary for the function of life, would be useless as well.



Instead, it is assumed that RNA acted as a precursor of both protein and DNA, in the sense that it can serve both as catalyst (like protein enzymes) and as carrier of genetic information. Even in the modern cell ribozymes (catalytic RNAs) still play a vital, albeit limited, role. In the ribosome, the synthesis of the peptide chains of proteins from RNA code is accomplished by ribozymes. They also catalyze splicing of RNA.



The hypothesis that a so-called RNA World was involved in the early evolutionary stages of life is now an almost universally held view (Joyce 2002, Orgel 2004, The RNA World 2006). Could this RNA World have stood at the ultimate origin of life? This is currently still an open question. The RNA system may be too complex to have arisen without synthesis by a genetic precursor or prior enzyme-less metabolism (options discussed below). Yet while there are still substantial problems, there are now good leads for simple, spontaneous processes on the early Earth for both the synthesis of nucleotides and their concatenation to oligonucleotides.



For a long time the synthesis of RNA monomers under prebiotic conditions appeared to be a fundamental problem since the condensation of sugar (ribose) and nucleobase (purines and pyrimidines) does not work (Orgel, 2004). The prebiotic synthesis of purine ribonucleotides is still unclear, yet recently a breakthrough has been made with regard to the synthesis of pyrimidine ribonucleotide monomers (which incorporate cytosine and uracil). It now appears in principle to be solved, in a completely unexpected manner. The study by the group of John Sutherland (Powner et al. 2009) shows how nature could have spontaneously assembled pyrimidine ribonucleotide monomers from prebiotically plausible molecules through intermediates that contribute atoms to both the sugar and base portions of the ribonucleotides, thus avoiding a condensation step of sugar and base altogether (Fig.1). See also Nature News for the impact of these findings. While a good pathway for synthesis of purine ribonucleotides (incorporating adenine and guanine) still remains to be found, Jack Szostak argues in a comment accompanying the article (Szostak 2009) that “it is precisely because this work opens up so many new directions for research that it will stand for years as one of the great advances in prebiotic chemistry”.
Speed
2012-02-08 12:54:32 UTC
One part of being open minded is accepting uncertainty. There are a number of ideas about how life got started on this planet, but none of them are certain. I do include Creation as one of the possibilities. I am accepting of you if you feel that you are certain about this issue and hope that you can feel the same about me even though I do not agree with you. I hope you find happiness in the path you choose, and can find this same compassion for those that choose a different path.
JSGeare
2012-02-08 12:50:08 UTC
Spontaneous generation is close enough. Chemicals exposed to sunlight and various environments at some point gained the ability to reproduce themselves. And the rest is history - many millions of years of it.
2012-02-08 12:53:23 UTC
Mathew 6:23

2 Thessalonians 2:11



They believe the lie there is no God.
?
2012-02-08 12:54:09 UTC
Noboydy knows what actually happened, but it does not justifies determining that some god simply created all we know, you should be motivated by the human curiosity and hunger for knowledge, not by that lazy and so comfortable way of life, "In the bible it's said that god created bla bla bla..."
Helge P
2012-02-08 12:56:33 UTC
Abiogenesis.
?
2012-02-08 12:48:06 UTC
I don't know how life started.



The ONLY thing atheism is is not believing in deities.



And if everything must have a "Creator" who/what was the Creator's creator?



~Ex-Christian; agnostic atheist
?
2012-02-08 12:48:04 UTC
I. Don't. Know. That's a perfectly reasonable, entirely accurate answer.
evalyn
2012-02-08 13:02:25 UTC
Not all atheists believe in abiogenesis.



I do though.
Corrigan
2012-02-08 12:48:39 UTC
Yes, that's what we believe! Well done! Now, go back to school.
2012-02-08 12:50:54 UTC
Our Apotheosis, Gods master plan?

It’s our eyes he's seeing through,

That only he understands.



No reconcile or time for hesitating.

Hurt is ready, pain is waiting

Primed to do it's educating.



Seeking hidden treasure

Not where I thought, Somehow I knew,

Peace of mind and love can't be bought!



Minds in boxes, awake but not too Conscious or spiritual, busy munching on the Carcass/tree of knowledge. (Probably by those of us who dodged P.E classes in school)

Objectivism > that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest???

Subjectivism > the doctrine that all knowledge is limited to experiences by the self, and that transcendent knowledge is impossible???

Formative Thinking > which is concerned with how things and situations are perceived, expressed and interpreted.

Moral Relativism > is connected with a normative position about how we ought to think about or act towards those with whom we morally disagree.

Meta-Ethics > addresses questions such as "What is goodness?

Justifications for moral judgements are not universal". So perhaps humanity may not be universal!................NOT!

Dominions ~ Sovereignty; control: "man's attempt to establish dominion over nature". = I am God!...............NOT!
Screwdriverz
2012-02-08 12:50:19 UTC
Cashews.
mo in the middle
2012-02-08 12:48:08 UTC
I'm very comfortable saying I don't know.
2012-02-08 12:47:49 UTC
Nope. I don't have beliefs and faith. I have no idea how it started.
?
2012-02-08 12:48:29 UTC
so christians... what do you think created god?



sure as f-ck didnt create itself..



if you think god created itself then you have no reason to deny that the big bang is/was possible... although the big bang is not my theory on how life/ earth started
?
2012-02-08 12:47:44 UTC
Billions of years of evolution. Not GODDIDIT.
2012-02-08 12:47:50 UTC
Amino acids,,water,,sunlight and time,,


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