Question:
Why do Theists try to cover up their bigotry by saying "I hate the sin, not the sinner"?
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2014-02-25 18:38:25 UTC
That's such a ridiculous thing to say. You want to deny people's rights because of some imaginary curse you believe they have despite the fact that it doesn't change your life in any way? I don't care what excuse you give for trying to justify it, it's still bigotry. You're still judging people for something they can't control and that's not even wrong except in your subjective beliefs that the rest of the world is not obligated to care about.

Who are you to judge these people anyway? Oh sure, you might say in the end God judges, but even if your beliefs were true (Although you still never met your burden of proof) it shouldn't effect other people's basic rights. You're still the one judging these people and trying to change the law to conform to your beliefs. And you have no authority to judge someone for their own private business. Unless they're committing a crime you don't need to be involved, period. Not everyone has to listen to you just because your specific God allegedly doesn't care for homosexuality.

BTW, if you're a theist and you have no problem with homosexuality, then this isn't for you. Also, because apparently many anti gay theists seem to think this when a person speaks out against their bigotry, I am not a homosexual. I'm just a human being who thinks everyone should have basic human rights.
Twelve answers:
no1home2day
2014-02-25 18:57:48 UTC
Yeah, that's so ridiculous! Every last mother who tells her disobedient child that she loves the child, but totally disapproves of his or her behavior is fully of hypocrisy, because EVERY body knows that the mother just wants to deny the child his or her rights! The mother is still judging the child, and it's still bigotry!



You know something? You're so full of it, it's not even funny! Perhaps YOU are the bigot, since you seem to be so narrow-minded and judgmental against others just because you disagree with them.



If the shoe was on the other foot, you would be considered a Christian hater or Christ-phobic, which means that you're really a secret closet Christian! (Well, that's what the God-hating atheists keep saying about Christians when they say that homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes - they accuse the Christian of being a homosexual hater, or a homophobic, or even a closet homosexual! So, when the shoe is on the other foot, your rant only tells me that you're secretly a Christian while you hate Christians, and you're Christ-phobic.)



By the way, God has NEVER rejected a truly repentant homosexual; but homosexuals reject God, and that on a continuous basis! So let's get the facts straight - the homosexual hates and fears God and His righteousness.

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2014-02-25 19:21:50 UTC
I don't care what 2 consenting adults do in private, but when they want to promote this filthy lifestyle as normal by letting them marry or parading it down the street, then I have a problem with it.

I wish the rest of the world would do what Russia has done and ban homosexual propaganda.

I don't see it as bigotry to keep marriage pure and exclusive to 1 man & 1 Woman.
anonymous
2014-02-25 18:59:25 UTC
Your intolerance for Christian beliefs is bigoted. No one is denying anybody's rights. If you are referring to same-sex marriage there never was a right to that. Therefore you cannot deny what doesn't exist. If there is any forcing going on it is with you and your ilk. Changing the law to conform to our beliefs? Please, are you that ignorant to not know that it is you who wants to change the law to conform to your beliefs?



People like you show their myopia when they claim that same-sex marriage won't change our lives. Right now, with the majority of Americans against same-sex marriage and with the majority of the states with laws against it, you still throw rocks at Christians and call them hateful and bigoted. Imagine what will happen if you succeed in changing the laws to conform to your beliefs. Do you think that priests and pastors would still have the freedom to quote Biblical passages that say homosexual acts are sins? Do you think that Christian churches and other Christian institutions will easily be sued for denying service to same-sex weddings? If you think this can't happen you are indeed stupid, because it is already happening in England and some areas in Canada.



But I wonder sometimes if it is ignorance, myopia or just a hateful bent against Christianity. With the posts here on R&S lately from you guys, I am beginning to think it's the latter.
Michael
2014-02-25 19:03:56 UTC
As an educated, informed theist, I want to give you a serious answer. Nothing I say is meant to be insulting. I mean the utmost respect.



After reading your question, it seems to me that you have a very relativistic understanding of morality. You said:



"You're still judging people for something they can't control and that's not even wrong except in your subjective beliefs that the rest of the world is not obligated to care about."



"Not even wrong except in your subjective beliefs". The problem here is that if what we believe is right or wrong is just subjective, and it is relative, then your belief that homosexuality ISN'T wrong is also just subjective. It isn't right, except in your subjective beliefs. So this is a problem. If what is right and wrong is just subjective, then it seems there isn't really any real truth to the matter.



But as a Christian theist, I do not think the matter is subjective. I do hate the sin, whilst loving the sinner (to the best of my frail human ability). I do not hate homosexuals, nor do I even hate homosexuality. You're right, it isn't a choice. Someone who is homosexual is born that way, and cannot help their feelings. What I believe is wrong is any sexual relationship outside of marriage, gay or straight. I do think homosexual activity is sinful, but I also think any sexual activity that is divorced from its proper context is sinful. But I myself have engaged in sexual activity outside of marriage, and so I am not in any place to make a judgment of someone else.



Finally, I do not think homosexual marriage should be permitted. Does this make me a bigot? Well, if it does, it also means that you're a bigot (remember, I mean no disrespect). Because if two people of the same sex should be allowed to marry because it wouldn't impact anyone else, then so should two close relatives. Two close relatives could marry without it impacting anyone else. Sure, their children have greater odds of having a congenital condition, but if that is the reason we don't permit close relatives to be married, then that means we should also not permit any two people to get married unless undergo genetic screening to make sure they wouldn't pass any latent or recessive genetic conditions on to their children. So, if we should allow homosexual marriage because it doesn't impact anyone else, then we should also permit incestuous marriages, since by the standards you're using there's no justification not to allow those as well. So by your own standards, you're a bigot if you doesn't approve of incestuous marriages.



But I would hazard a guess that you don't approve of incestuous marriages, nor do most people. And as I said, the reason isn't that incestuous partners are more likely to produce children with congenital disorder; its because incestuous marriages are wrong.



In sum, it is my view, and the view of many others, that immoral relationships should not be formally condoned by law. Incestuous relationships, and relationships between adults and minors are immoral and the vast majority believe that the law should not formally condone them. That would mean, by your standards, that the majority are bigoted against pedophiles and people with incestuous tendencies.



"I'm just a human being who thinks everyone should have basic human rights."

-This is one last thing I want to point out. All people have the basic right to have a relationship provided it is between consenting individuals who are intellectually and legally capable of consent. That is undisputed. What ISN'T a basic human right is a marriage certificate or a public official or preacher to say "I now pronounce you husband and wife (or wife and wife, or husband and husband)". That isn't a basic human right. Not allowing a particular group of people to get married for being of a particular race, ideology, religion, or sexual orientation is discrimination. BUT, no theist think that homosexual marriage should not be allowed for homosexuals for the reason that they are homosexuals. That would be discrimination. Theists who do not support homosexual marriage do not support it because they believe it is IMMORAL, not because gay people are somehow inferior and don't deserve equal treatment. Again, the reason we don't allow brothers and sisters to get married isn't because we're discriminating against incestuous people, its because we believe the incestuous relationship is immoral. That's the difference.



I hope I've made the theist position a little more clear for you. Take care.
Reconstitute America
2014-02-25 18:50:09 UTC
So your kid does something bad and you correct him. So, by your definition you hate your kid. Lets think outside the box.



Sorry, but lying to people does not help them. We are just stating reality and if you don't accept it then you or they will live in their own consequences. Homosexuality is not inborn, or natural. If you believe otherwise you are lying to yourself.
The (1Cor.15:1-4) Ambassador
2014-02-25 18:43:19 UTC
Love, is looking out for someone's greater good. When you see that homosexuality takes away people's lifespan, spreads disease, that's not hate. That's turning death around into life. If someone's going to jump off a cliff, and you stop them, is that hate? Or are you turning their life around. Or, in that same scenario are we going to be told not to "judge people".



Now that's hate if I ever heard it.
?
2014-02-25 18:43:20 UTC
All of are rights in America are inherited by our creator not Gov. So your whole premise is off. I still love you and pray that you gain more understanding of God and realize that love is the ultimate goal of a good Christian.



Your getting excited over saying hate the sin not the sinner but your not really understanding what that means. Sin is like cancer so its saying hate the cancer not the patient.



Its funny you replied to the parenting analogy because its perfect. When you see your child doing something destructive you correct them out of love not judgment.
?
2014-02-25 18:55:12 UTC
This basic human right which you talk about - leads to an eternity in hell -

REPENT!
andy c
2014-02-25 18:49:58 UTC
I can't speak for people who engage in homosexual acts, but in my experience we do have control over who we sleep with, unless we are raped. Thoughts and desires are very difficult to control, but that is not the same thing.
Adnama
2014-02-25 18:40:56 UTC
"Love the sinner, hate the sin" is a meaningless nothing phrase.
Pamela
2014-02-25 18:52:16 UTC
You're not married are you?
Diil
2014-02-25 18:47:31 UTC
They think it works :D


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