Why would god sacrifice himself or his son to save us from his own wrath?

Question

Why would god sacrifice himself (if you believe jesus is god) or his son (if you believe god and jesus are two separate beings) to save us from his own wrath of eternal punishment called hell?

Would it not make more sense to:

1) Simply never have “tested” Adam and Eve since god knew they would fail before he tested them. Adam and Eve were not created as deities because god didn’t want equals so he knew they would fail and prove themselves inferior.

2) Simply let jesus rule during his first visit instead of allowing him to be murdered and making everyone wait for his second coming to rid the earth of evil.

3) Just admit that we puny humans are a bad idea and destroy everyone with the flood and start over on a different planet with and put a soul in a different species.

I can go on all day with other things god could have done to avoid the murder of his son and I only have the imagination of a mere mortal and not a god! It just doesn’t make any sense that he would sacrifice himself or his son to protect us from a wrath that HE is threatening us with. Please explain because this is really not making any sense.

Did jesus really die for our sins or was he just a man that got murdered for saying he was the son of a god?

Answer 1

How could somebody who doesn't know what's right and what's wrong, be able to do the right thing by choice? Or how could they deserve punishment of an omnipotent, all-loving being, if they didn't know what they did was wrong?

How could it be wrong to gain said knowledge anyway?

It's his snake and his fault for not making them able to tell right from wrong, "original sin" is God's own mistake.



And then Jesus dies for my "sins"?



After god flooded the earth to get rid of Teh Evul (actually just pissing Evil off and starting a genocide / infanticide / rape / slavery / war / famine / plague / etc. etc. etc. party), god raped a married virgin girl (12 or so) to make a water-walking tree-cursing version of himself on Earth just to kill the guy (himself) later, to please himself with a blood sacrifice of himself, to forgive US the mistake that he made in the first place, to atone for "our" "sins", thousands of years before we were born.



And then 1 1/2 days later his avatar gets an extra life and a level up, granting him double omnipotence. Lame a$$ pseudo sacrifice if you ask me..





Why "god" punishes people for all time to come and kills his own son who is actually him (whatever) is because god is imaginary and that fairy tale was written by ignorant, pi$$-stained, murderous, misogynistic, pedophiliac, slave-driving rapists and alike who wanted to scare and brainwash people into obedience with threats, guilt, empty promises violence etc.





Nobody can die for my "sins", especially not 2000 years before i was born.



Also in meantime it's clear that Jesus was not only not the son of god, but that he was fabricated to match ancient caveman myths which were disfigured and perpetuated throughout history.

Personification of the events in the sky, pretty much identical in many points to many other myths like Horus Mithra Krishna Dionysus etc etc.



Christians are merely sun-worshipers.



Religion brings the stone/bronze age directly into your 21st century neighborhood.

Answer 2

1) while God did not want equals but children. He did not make us to fail. He made us completely perfect and good with free will. Now the issue is that to have free will you MUST have the ability to not do what the parent will wants. They also MUST have the opportunity to disobey. If I tell you make a left turn but there is a wall to the left and you can not turn left that is not free will. Guide in no way made us chose to sin we chose it.



2) to rid the earth of evil you must kill the source the source is the devil AND us. If He came and destroyed evil He'd have to kill us all. No Jesus came the first time to open the way thru which we can be saved. We are saved by His grace thru or faith that Jesus the son of God died for our sins and rose again. He waits for the 2nd time so as many as can be can get saved.



3) Jesus didn't start over cuz He still ADORES us. Jesus is the son of God and God. He sacrifices His son for us cuz that is the ONLY way justice can be dealt to sin. While at the same time by using Jesus as our scapegoat He can extend mercy to us. God is just. God is merciful. Jesus death and resurrection is THE ONLY way to reconcile mercy and justice. Jesus Becomes sin for us and we in turn take His righteousness

Answer 3

When God speaks a word on anything at all, then that thing HAS to be done. He cannot and will not take it back.



And early on he stated that if a man sins then he must die.



So that HAS to be.



BUT he found a way around it. He sent his Son Jesus Christ the innocent to die for the guilty - if we accept his atoning sacrifice.



God must remain true to himself and he IS his word. And as a man, you will never understand nor figure him out. Just learn about him from scripture.



Isa 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:





Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.



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Isa 55:8 ¶ For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.





Isa 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.



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NEVER strive with the Lord. You will only incur his wrath - and you WILL lose. He's God remember. And we are dust in the wind.

Answer 4

God the daddy sent God the Son not to save us from God, but from sin. God did not create sin. Your premise is lacking in logic, developing form of a straw man argument, i hope you might be just mistaking.

Answer 5

The wrath of God comes only upon those who will not obey His commandments. Mortality is for our benefit not God's. We are the offspring of God in the spirit, His sons and daughters. Our mortal probation is for us to find out for ourselves what our Father in Heaven already knows about us.

Answer 6

Actually you deny your own premises !!!!





Is this true or not ?



God cannot change His nature. Holy He must ever be. But while He is holy, no unholy soul can be happy in heaven. ...And so heaven itself would be fire to those, who would fain escape across the great gulf from the torments of hell.