Question:
For the record...God loves atheists! and gays and lesbians and fundamentalists...?
Dana
2010-02-24 23:31:56 UTC
...and democrats and catholics and the poor and women and sinners and the righteous and the sick and hispanics and men and mormons and the rich and PhDs and black people and hippies and republicans and muslims and the uneducated and children and asians and wiccans and lawyers and prostitutes and the French and environmentalists and cheaters and worshippers and every other label of people you can think of! God loves all of us and all are invited to join him.

I have seen so much misunderstandings about the character of God. As if it is hateful to say that we all (including all those same people listed above) sin. Why is it hateful to say the obvious? You can read our posts at any given time of the day and see the conflicts and anger and pride in our hearts.

I'm so tired of people being mad at God because we don't get a free pass on our own actions and choices. As if there were not natural consequences in our souls as well as our relationships on earth. It sounds like there is this idea that he is just sitting in heaven waiting to whack us on the side of our head for some sin or another, when he is the one that died so we could be free. How does it make any sense to see the christian god as cruel when he himself took all our punishment and asks only that we accept it for ourselves to be free? He stands with his palm open, asking you to come to him, but when we refuse to he is blamed. How does that make sense?

I know, I'm probably annoying someone:) And that's okay, God loves you too;)
28 answers:
2010-02-25 17:07:14 UTC
Yes, that is so true!!! Jesus loved the whole world and died for all of us in all walks of life all over the world. There have been gross misunderstandings in here and wrong philosophies and it's apparent there is a root of rebellion against God that brought about these twisted ideologies. Jesus is Lord of all. The Holy Spirit is the one who leads us into more and more truth.



See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. Colossians 2:8
2010-02-25 00:24:42 UTC
For the record there is a huge amount of evidence that your claims are false!!



Academia states that in the absence of proof of the existence of something it must be deemed not to exist until verifiable proof is found - thus god is held not to exist pending some sort of verifiable evidence.



There is not one single mention of Jesus in the entire Roman record - that is right - not one!!! At the same time as he was supposed to have been around there were a number of Jews claiming to be the messiah - all of whom are well recorded!!



There is not a single contemporary record from any source and even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!!



He was supposed to have been a huge problem to the Romans and produced wonderful miracles but still not one contemporary record?



Even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!!



Pilate is recorded in the Roman record as a somewhat lack luster man but no mention of a Jesus, a trial or crucifixion that would surely have been used to make him look brighter!!



At best he was an amalgam of those others!!



The Roman Emperor Constantine produced the bible and he was a pagan not god!!! He also organized Christianity into the Holly Roman Catholic Church!! Not in Israel or any of the countries of supposed origin but entirely ITALIAN!!



Not one word of it is contemporary with the period and was not written until several hundred years after the period the story is set in!! How did the apostles write their books more than a hundred years after they would have been dead?



What a wonder full disinformation and deception campaign he waged against his Christian enemies - so good in fact that Christians are still following the deception to this day!!!



The first person to provide a shred of verifiable evidence for God will become world famous and mega rich!! Ain't happened yet and it never will!!



So how does this primitive belief survive? The answer is simple and very down to Earth!!



Acceptance of a supernatural claim tends to promote cooperative social relationships. This communication demonstrates a willingness to accept, without skepticism, the influence of the speaker in a way similar to a child's acceptance of the influence of a parent. By encouraging this kind of behavior where the most intense social relationships occur it facilitates the lack of skepticism and deters more open minded thinking.



They are christian, Muslim or the other religions depending where they were born simply because they were indoctrinated by their parents as very young children. They will go on to indoctrinate their own children and those will go on to indoctrinate their grandchildren!!



Atheists have the intellect to see through the conditioning and escape into the real world!!



Agnostics have the intellect to see through the conditioning but lack the courage to throw of the conditioning entirely.



Sadly Christians are still held firmly prisoner by the self perpetuating brainwashing!!
?
2010-02-25 02:45:28 UTC
Edit - The Former Preacher



Romans 9:13

Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." ...hated - G3404 Strong's Greek & Hebrew Dictionary



G3404

μισέω

miseō

mis-eh'-o

From a primary word μῖσος misos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute);

by extension to LOVE LESS: - hate (-ful).



The translation chosen must reflect God's other statements in the Bible.



John 3 (The Message)



16-18 This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son.

And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life.

God didn't go to all the trouble of sending his Son merely to point an accusing finger, telling the world how bad it was.

He came to help, to put the world right again.



Revelation 1:6

To him (Jesus) who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood...
2010-02-24 23:41:42 UTC
Glad someone sees it. Is there a God? Can't figure out why a perfect supreme being create Chaos such a imperfect world, does he like misery? I like what Jefferson said in fact you may want to read what our forefathers take on religion was,



[Creeds] have been the bane and ruin of the Christian church, its own fatal invention, which, through so many ages, made of Christendom a slaughterhouse, and at this day divides it into castes of inextinguishable hatred to one another.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Whitmore, June 5, 1822, quoted from James A Haught, editor, 2000 Years of Disbelief
?
2016-09-21 09:53:08 UTC
I too am instantly and a christian and completely trust you that Jesus NEVER taught us to hate ANYONE. We have been all created same and stay that approach, it doesn't matter what we do. God loves us the entire equal, HOWEVER the Lord as good because the Christian hates the sin of the gay or of something that's in opposition to God. God abhors this sin as acknowledged within the guide of Romans. We must in no way pass judgement on a individual's explanations or their individual, however it is adequate to pass judgement on if their doctrine is heretical or their lifestyles is full of wickedness. To stand again and no longer take a stand for Christ is improper additionally. We christians are to be the sunshine in a gloomy global. To say I love you as a brother or sister in Christ and worry risking their popularity of you, so you do not wish to offend them through telling them the trtuth isn't loving them in any respect. It's loving your self, worrying what they consider of you, no longer whether or not they die of their sins. To pass judgement on that individual's individual is improper, however so isn't stepping as much as the plate and going to bat for them!!! A christian must additionally do a self examine and hate their possess sin and once they do sin, repent and difference. Forgiveness from God is superb!!
You wish you were mine!!
2010-02-24 23:41:53 UTC
Yes!



You may have confused some by using God and the phrase "he is the one that died so we could be free" in the same sentence, for those who don't understand the trinity.



But hey, you are an excellent witness!

You make perfect sense to me.



@ jennifer-God gave people free will. People performed these atrocities against man, not God.
2010-02-25 00:40:35 UTC
For the record - straight from God's Word and Jesus' very own parable:

"For many are invited, but few are chosen". (Mat 22:14)



It is my opinion that you are very misguided if you claim to know anything about the 'character' of God. To even say such a thing is more prideful and egotistical than any of the 'postings' you are referring to. Who are you comparing the so-called "misunderstandings" with? Your neighbour? The people who live in your country? The entire world? Or just the people who post in this website?



It is completely unfair of you to patronize those of us who truly worship God and follow Jesus, yet do not agree with all of this crap you've written. God does NOT accept every person in this world, whether they have a "label" or not. It is written in the Bible several times! If a sinner does not make a sincere effort to repent of their sins, what makes you think that God loves them? People who have a hard, settled attitude of defiant hostility toward God will NEVER come to God for forgiveness. That is a sin which is unforgivable. It is called blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Read it for yourself in Matthew 12:31.



Jesus Christ, the SON of God died for "the sins of many". Not all. And NOT God! They share the same Spirit, but are two very different individuals. If you believe that Jesus IS God, then why does Jesus speak to His "Father" and address Him as such? There are several scriptures in the Bible that prove this. God also addresses Jesus as "this is my beloved Son, whom I love" at Jesus' baptism, with many witnesses standing around. Jesus makes people free. Jesus took on our punishments. And He was rewarded by God for being so humble and obedient. God gave Jesus "all authority over heaven and the earth" as His reward.



You many not think that it makes 'any sense' to see God as cruel, but lots of people do. I've been around people in my own life who literally have cursed to God and screamed at Him how much they hate Him for whatever situation happened to them. So whether or not you agree, you are being just as judgmental as any other person. You are no different than any one of us. Humans make the problems and humans must learn to live with the consequences.



I will be bold enough to write in front of all the people in this site to say that I know I am a sinner. I do love God. I do love Jesus. But I am not always sure that they love me. I don't take being a 'sinful person' lightly. Or take God's "love" for granted.
?
2010-02-24 23:37:11 UTC
Even though your question wasn't exactly clear, God's is unconditional love or so I've heard, so that would qualify the aforementioned people (gay, lesbian), for God's love.



"In the beginning was the word," (John 1:1).



That's a neat place to start, isn't it?



What about John Wayne Gacy? Now there's a real quandry. I bet Satan loves him, so that's a whole 'nuther paint-job.
Nate
2010-02-24 23:36:09 UTC
Still kind of a jerk move to punish me for all eternity for a concept I don't believe in (Sin, or God for that matter. Sin implies absolute morality which I do not believe in.)
2010-02-24 23:38:10 UTC
Thats not the biggest problem! Since people believe that jesus is the son of god they depictured god as a fat man with a long grey beard that looks like zues The Greek god of thunder!!!! How blasphemous of them!!!!!
2010-02-24 23:36:49 UTC
And for the record, I cannot see how a being that created me would allow me to burn in agony forever in Hell for not buying the story of Jesus Christ can somehow call that "love".



Last time I checked there were plenty of self-awoved "true christians" who swear that god despises anything short of purely right wing.
Jen
2010-02-24 23:40:12 UTC
If god loves us, and just to clarify, nothing truly bad has ever happened to me, and he is almighty and all powerful, why did he let a baby get raped?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMTc-lzHWqw&feature=user



And babies are PURE innocence, its not just this baby, its happening ALL over. just google it. Why would god let the holocaust happen, so many people died. This world is WAY to shitty to believe in an ALL loving god.
Captain Sarcastic
2010-02-24 23:37:37 UTC
There is no such thing as magic, which includes imaginary creatures like your God.



Also, your statements have little Biblical support - the Abrahamic god is a mentally unstable and generally unpleasant character.
kev t
2010-02-24 23:35:39 UTC
What about Jews? does he hate Jews? He allowed 6 million Jews to be killed in WWII. I mean, couldn't God just of snapped his fingers and have an infant Adolf Hitler die of SIDS? Take one person's life to save ~12 million that died under his tyranny?



Some loving God he is... But any "good" Christian would argue that "It was God's will" or "His thinking is higher that ours" Come on! give me a break. That's just insanity.
2010-02-24 23:50:31 UTC
This reveals God's nature.......... " God Loves the sinner but he hates sin" :)
guraqt2me
2010-02-24 23:37:47 UTC
You have summed up God's UNconditional love rather, well there ! "Misunderstanding about the character of God" - is an understatement !!!
2010-02-24 23:44:22 UTC
god hated esau



Romans 9:13

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.



and david a man after god's own heart hated people like god did.



Psalm 139:22

I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.





not to mention all the killing and torture god ordered, well maybe one where if you forsake god he will kill your kids and have your wife raped.



Isaiah 13:16

Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.



so if your god is so loving, he must be like an abusive husband, he beats and kills cause he loves us....
?
2010-02-24 23:38:31 UTC
If God would stand before me and tell me this all himself and show me "look, I am who I say I am" then I might believe. But he doesn't. He plays hide and seek. And I'm tired of playing games.
David:Jesus Saves at Bank of America
2010-02-24 23:36:19 UTC
God loves atheists? Tell that to the god believers.
jez.star
2010-02-24 23:36:29 UTC
You don't think it's hateful for people to say that Im sinning that Im going to hell??, sorry I don't feel that way.
2010-02-24 23:35:22 UTC
Yes, Darkwing Duck loves you too.



FYI: I am not mad at your god, I simply don't believe he exists.
sChNiTzEl
2010-02-24 23:39:51 UTC
Wait you forgot the whites, evangelicals, the nazi's hmmm who else....
2010-02-24 23:35:21 UTC
for the record, god is a delusion
♱Lucifer♱
2010-02-24 23:35:10 UTC
that's true but many don't see that
Lady Wildcat
2010-02-24 23:37:32 UTC
Yes, he loves homosexuals -- but he doesn't love homosexuality.



He loves prostitutes -- but doesn't love prostitution.



He loves cheaters -- but doesn't love cheating.



He even loves murderers, if you can believe that -- but he doesn't love murder.

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Gregory
2010-02-24 23:34:37 UTC
i agree
Alien Jesus
2010-02-24 23:34:03 UTC
Actually if you read the Old Testament he hates everything and everyone.. he's a really ugly guy.
live it up! =) <3
2010-02-24 23:36:30 UTC
Amen. :)


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