Question:
Where did the laws of nature, physics, energy and matter come from?
2008-09-13 14:06:20 UTC
How did they originate? Did these laws of such incredible precision and orderliness create themselves? For those of you who deny God the Creator, have you the answers?
32 answers:
Luke H
2008-09-13 14:12:36 UTC
To the answer above asking for proof of God...



Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Larry454
2008-09-13 14:38:40 UTC
Your question has been carefully worded to initiate the discussion with the foregone conclusion that the phenomena that the laws describe - not just the laws themselves - were created. In fact, the laws of physics (e.g. - by Newton, Einstein, Boltzmann) were and are the results of lifelong efforts on the part of very intelligent and hard working people to attempt to describe their observed environment in mathematical terms. To pretend that God somehow did the work previously and that these guys just stumbled across it is disingenuous and lacking in the most basic understanding of the effort involved and the results obtained.



Where in Genesis (the sole document describing the efforts of God the Creator) does it mention that the ratio of a circle's circumference to its radius squared (Correction - not squared) is an irrational number? Where does it say that an object at rest will remain at rest unless acted upon by an external force? Where does Genesis mention the fact that time is relative, not constant - or that the universe is millions of years old, as can be seen clearly on any dark night by just looking up?



I think that the arrogance of people who demand that credit be given to their own version of God for the efforts of others - when they do not even understand the results of those efforts - is incredible.
2008-09-13 14:14:06 UTC
"laws of such incredible precision and orderliness"



What does this even MEAN?



So far as I (or anyone else) know, natural laws are a consequence of the innate structure of the universe. They manifested in the briefest moments after the start of our universe.



There is no special reason they are the way they are. According to M-theory, there must be a practically (perhaps even literally) infinite number of different universes. So one like ours existing is hardly a stretch.



"deny God the Creator"



Choose your words with a little more care if you are trying to ask a non-biased question.
Ceisiwr
2008-09-13 14:36:27 UTC
It's our measurements that are precise. The way nature works is the way it works.



It may be that the conditions for life that can develop as it has on earth are extremely rare in the universe. But there are billions of galaxies, each containing billions of stars some, if not all, will have their own solar systems. The chances of the "right" conditions only need to be extremely small for those conditions to exist in a comparatively small number of places. The reason we are here talking about it is because we must be in one of those extremely rare places (the so-called anthropic pinciple).



As regards the laws of nature, can we be sure that they pertain everywhere in the universe at all times? What about the hypothesis of the multiverse, in which there could be billions of universes, only a small percentage of which needed to develop the kind of physical laws that could lead to life; and we're here because this universe is one of those extremely rare ones.



The idea of "the Creator" merely moves the point at which we have to say "we don't know", as well as being implausible.



The first creation myth in Genesis (there are two of them) is probably based on the Babylonian Creation Epic, Enuma Elish, written mainly in the 12th century BCE. It tells of the creation of the universe and the events that lead up to the building of Babylon, home for the gods. It evolved from Sumerian myths.



Here is an extract from near the beginning:



"the gods were nameless, natureless, featureless. Then from Apsu and Tiamat in the waters gods were created"



Tiamat is the sea, personified as a goddess, and a monstrous embodiment of primordial chaos. She gives birth to the first generation of gods; she later makes war upon them and is split in two by the storm-god Marduk, who uses her body to form the heavens and the earth.



Marduk seems to have been replaced by Elohim, via the Canaanites, a plural form of El (perhaps the Canaanite deity). And Tiamat by "the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep (the sea)".



The battle isn't used in Genesis 1, but the parallels are there.



The heavenly bodies seem to have been created to serve the earth according to the story, so would have been created afterwards.



The reason for the Genesis story was probably to explain things for which people at the time had no other concepts, as well as the reason for the Sabbath. Now we understand so many more concepts of how nature works, such as space-time, expanding finite but unbounded universe, Big Bang, evolution, quantum mechanics, and so much more. But the Genesis attempt at explaining how the world came into being was a step on the road to reaching today's knowledge. And today's knowledge will be a step on the way to future understanding for which we may not have concepts today.
2008-09-13 14:45:21 UTC
"There is no special reason they are the way they are. According to M-theory, there MUST be a practically (perhaps even literally) infinite number of different universes. So one like ours existing is hardly a stretch."



That should read COULD be. The only real reason for postulating a multiverse is that it gives the atheists a "get out" when they are confronted with the apparent fine tuning of six fundamental constants. The only alternative to the multiverse hypothesis is the existence of God.
Happy Primes
2008-09-13 14:16:38 UTC
They come from man. Our scientific theories are only methods of explaining the ways in which the universe works. As for how those processes came to be, they began existence when the universe in it's current state became extant.



No reason to assume a God did anything, because it has a perfectly reasonable naturalistic explanation which anyone, even people not trained in physics or science, SHOULD be able to reason with their own brain.
monzo
2016-10-03 07:02:13 UTC
thats the amazing thing approximately physics. i mean i'm sixteen and that i admire this occasion. its amazing. i think of... how is it that a number of those formulation in basic terms paintings... I nonetheless have not discovered an answer. yet i think of that a number of them have been made via people. eg. velocity = m/s distance grow to be in basic terms seen via some genius frenchman who probable picked up a stick and sayed "we could call this length a 'metre'". the place time itself isnt truly a creation of people, we can degree it. So sometime somebody sayed "from this think approximately time to..." 60 seconds later "...right here, would be a minute, and we will divide that via 60 and that they are going to be seconds". or some thing like that (HAHA) yet velocity is in basic terms a ratio between what number metres are travelled each 2d. i desire this facilitates ^_^
2008-09-13 14:19:41 UTC
Whether you call God as Christ or krishna, Jenovah or Allah, it came from God. The God has infinite transcedental nature and 2 of the prominent nature is Cognizant (Abighgnah, in Sanskrit) and Sovereign (Svarat in Sanskrit). So everything has come from the Cognizant and Sovereign Lord that means there is no one above God, by whatever name you call.
humanistheart
2008-09-13 14:13:37 UTC
The principles you speak of are inherent in the natural order of the universe. the actual laws are just human beings trying to sum up what they can observe in a nice package. For the most part this works. The core of your statement seams to be the belief that it would take a creater to set how matter and energy will act, rather than assuming they have inherent properties of their own. I have trouble grasping things like, what happened before the big bang, and why it happened, but I do not need to stoop to superstition for the explanations.
2008-09-13 14:13:39 UTC
Where do the laws of logic or math originate?



Answer: they are inevitable and innate. They need no creator, indeed deny one, and this is only not obvious to the fools of this world.



God the creator needs no denying because he/it cannot exist. For which we should be grateful.



And what the heck do you mean by precision? That they work? Inevitable. That they do not contain errors? Inevitable. You are stating the blindingly obvious and inevitable not evidence of the divine!
N
2008-09-13 14:12:26 UTC
The "laws" are just descriptions we humans have come up with to describe how the universe works. It makes no sense to assume that it happened the other way around.
hasse_john
2008-09-13 14:14:18 UTC
there are many challenging questions for which each of us does not have an answer. That is why so much of life must rest on faith. Unfortunately some people get to force their faith on others through the power of government schools. If you have faith in the FSM, that is your business, but if you have power to indoctrinate my children, it becomes mine.
tzddean
2008-09-13 14:11:13 UTC
Possibly. The universe's beginning is still being investigated. Have you heard of the Large Hadron Collider?
TheAsender
2008-09-13 14:18:11 UTC
from the "light" or you can say the creator spirit/god the universal message is knowledge and truth, so you could say the laws came from the creators knowledge and are his/her truths
2008-09-13 14:11:42 UTC
I may be wrong, but I think these laws always existed. They are constants, like pi, gravity, or the unaffected speed of light.
2008-09-13 14:29:07 UTC
Easy and really simple answer: If things don't follow the rules of the universe then they don't exist.
9_ladydi
2008-09-13 14:12:03 UTC
These laws were created when God created the universe.
manuel
2008-09-13 14:10:07 UTC
You still don't understand the burden of proof, do you? It's up to you to demonstrate that god and only god could have developed these laws.
2008-09-13 14:16:14 UTC
They have always existed. Same answer you would give in reference to your God.
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2008-09-13 14:11:41 UTC
no, but niether do those of you who THINK there is a God.



Its a possibility that God exists. not a fact.
2008-09-13 14:10:16 UTC
If they were dependent on some kind of creator, they wouldn't be natural laws, would they?
2008-09-13 14:13:57 UTC
Magic man in the sky!
2008-09-13 14:11:42 UTC
God created them and



no-one made God
2008-09-13 14:25:33 UTC
the "god of the gaps" again... it's just an argument from ignorance.
tj
2008-09-13 14:13:46 UTC
They came from God ,and dont let the atheists cause you to doubt.

tGod bless
aka don
2008-09-13 14:40:58 UTC
my friend these laws are human made.... human made these laws for its own ease... ALLAH almighty put these thoughts in human brain.... and human converted it to his language..... although in QURRAN we find many laws.... muslims discoverd many terms from it.....
The Doc
2008-09-13 14:09:25 UTC
I'll tell you what, I will labor to answer that question for you if you can tell me who made your god.

Go ahead, take your time, I'll be here waiting.
2008-09-13 14:12:43 UTC
absolutely right



i keep saying it . there is more proof of Gods creation in the heavens themselves than in any text
2008-09-13 14:11:36 UTC
who knows.... because theire called "laws" doesnt mean that someone created them.
korkie
2008-09-13 14:11:34 UTC
no they can't have the answer because it is all gods work

korkie
2008-09-13 14:12:08 UTC
God made them, simple as that.
Light and Truth
2008-09-13 14:11:30 UTC
They have always existed. They are "Laws".


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