Question:
Where in the Old Testament are we told that Jesus was to suffer and die?
2007-09-30 14:30:50 UTC
Prophecy here again has been written hundreds of years before the event actually took place. We can all guess at what might happen in the future and inevitably we will get it wrong but the proof of a true prophet of God is that these prophecies do come true.
26 answers:
thundercatt9
2007-09-30 14:43:08 UTC
Several places ...



Accused by false witnesses: Psalms .27:12



Silent to accusations: Isaiah 53:7



Spat and struck: Isaiah 50:6



Hated without reason: Psalms 69:4



Crucified, "pierced through hands and feet": Zechariah 12:10, Psalm 22:16



Agonized in Thirst: Psalm 22:15, Given gall and vinegar: Psalm 69:21



His side pierced: Zechariah 12:10



Vicarious Sacrifice: Isaiah 53:4-5, 6, 12



Resurrection of Jesus: Hosea 6:2, Psalms 16:10, 49:15



Among others ...
Cader and Glyder scrambler
2007-09-30 14:53:02 UTC
As well as texts like Isaiah 53 there is the Abraham coming to sacrifice his son Isaac on Mount Moria (which is regarded by Jews as identical with Moun Zion in Jerusalem).



In that event, Abraham was told Isaac didn't need to be sacrificed since a sacrifice was found, a goat caught in a tree nearby .. rather symbolic of Jesus being sacrificed outside the city wall on a tree.



One of the Daniel prophecies says the Messiah will be cut off from the land, you'd have to check it.
2007-09-30 14:51:14 UTC
Genesis 3:15: “I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.”

This was the first bible prophecy regarding Jesus and Satan

The promise at Genesis 3:15 indicates that immediately after Adam and Eve sinned, God determined that his symbolic woman was to bring forth a seed, or son. God also foresaw the result of the enmity between his woman and Satan and between their opposing seeds. Although God would allow the Seed of God’s woman to suffer a bruising in the heel, in God’s due time, the Seed would bruise the serpent, or Satan the Devil, in the head. In the meantime, God's purpose unfailingly advanced through the chosen genealogical line down to Jesus’ appearing as the promised Messiah and this family line can be found at Luke 3:23-38



Also Jesus was bruised in the heel because he did die on earth as a result of the wicked people on earth who were and are apart of Satan's system, but Jesus was resurrected back to his heavenly position so that bruising did not last long, on the other hand Satan will be bruised in the head, so he is going to get everlastin destruction, no coming back for him, think about it, which is worse, a head injury of a scab on the foot.
The Corinthian
2007-09-30 15:42:35 UTC
Others have mentioned Isaiah 53.



Another example, Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice Isaac was a similitude of Heavenly Father’s willingness to sacrifice his Only Begotten Son (Genesis 22:8, Genesis 22:13).



In some way we can be compared to Isaac. If Isaac represents us, whom does the ram in the thicket represent? Jesus Christ.



This story … shows the goodness of God in protecting Isaac and in providing a substitute so he would not have to die. Because of our sins and our mortality, we, like Isaac, are condemned to death. When all other hope is gone, our Father in Heaven provides the Lamb of God, and we are saved by his sacrifice”



Why is Isaac referred to in Genesis 22:16 as Abraham’s only son? Well, Isaac was the son through whom the covenant would continue. This reference also emphasizes the parallel between Isaac and our Savior, the Only Begotten Son of the Father.)



Also in Numbers 21: 6-9 - another similitude of Christ when Moses lifts up a serpent of brass to save those who look thereon.
Jeancommunicates
2007-09-30 15:04:26 UTC
Also Isaiah 52:14

Isaiah 50:6

then of course Isaiah 53
markisboss
2007-09-30 14:42:26 UTC
I read the first part of your question and went to find one of the scriptures that fortold the coming Messiah. I am not sure what you are trying to say in the rest of your question but read Daniel 9:26 - Daniel is one of the books that deals with a lot of prophecy.
tebone0315
2007-09-30 14:34:05 UTC
Isaiah 53
2007-09-30 15:12:36 UTC
You're not told this ANYWHERE in the old testament - Jesus is not mentioned in the old testament.



There is reference to the messiah, but it is clear that this is not Jesus. Jewish belief is that when the true messiah arrives, we will know because, apart from other things, there will be peace on earth.



No Jew believes that Jesus was the messiah - and I challenge anyone to find a messiah named Jesus, or his hebrew name, in the Old Testament.
2007-09-30 14:34:28 UTC
Isaiah 53, Psalm 22 for starters.
2007-09-30 19:32:45 UTC
You have enough references.



Hear also what Christ said :



Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.



And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.



We clearly need our eyes opened, even though it is beyond mistake or dispute, because sin blinds us.



There are more than 300 references to Christ in the Old Testament which accurately, clearly, and in some detail identify Jesus Christ as the Promised One. Yet still Israel failed to recognise Him, and worse still the Jews still refuse to recognise Him.



Sin blinds us, even to what is obvious.



The mathematical odds of anyone fulfilling those prophecies are astronomical and mathematicians will call Christ's fulfillment of them a mathematical certainty.



Now it is impossible for any to fulfill those prophecies and it is also impossible for some of those prophecies to be fulfilled now. Circumstances have changed to prevent it. Because, of course, One has fulfilled them and they have been fulfilled.



But still the Jews, and others, take an impossible position.



As said before we all need our eyes opened.
miller
2007-09-30 14:51:23 UTC
Jews who are waiting for a messiah much different from Jesus of Nazareth are going to be disappointed, because they will have to admit their sin and commit their lives to that christ. They cannot be justified by keeping the Law, unless they never sin. Abraham was justified by his faith, and all Abraham's children must be justified by faith. If Law could save, there would be no need for a messiah at all. Read your prophets.
2007-09-30 14:35:26 UTC
Psalms 22.
Wired
2007-09-30 14:34:28 UTC
Isaiah 53, I believe.
:
2007-09-30 14:46:52 UTC
The meaning of the names in Genesis 5 genealogy.



Adam means (man)

Seth means(appointed)

Enosh means(mortal)

Kenan means (sorrow)

Mahalalel (The Blessed God)

Jared means (shall come down

Enoch means (teaching)

Methuselah (his death shall bring)

Lamech (the despairing)

Noah means (rest or comfort)



So here is the summary of Gods plan of the redemption hidden here but easy to find if you want.



THE WHOLE THING



Man is appointed mortal sorrow, but the blessed God shall come down teaching that his death shall bring the despairing rest.



This is one of many pictures of Jesus.
dooder
2007-09-30 14:37:07 UTC
Is. 53 has been mentioned several times, but He is wrote about in several Psalms also.
Terry G
2007-09-30 15:22:21 UTC
I don't know that Jesus was mentioned in the Old Testament.



Where are the dinosaurs in the Garden of Eden?



It is all a load of twaddle.
wild_eep
2007-09-30 14:46:00 UTC
yes, but if all of your prophecies are the kind of obscure poetry that's weird enough for David Lynch to pick up for his next movie script, then you'll find it pretty hard to have anything happen that you didn't predict.
Nothingusefullearnedinschool
2007-09-30 14:34:38 UTC
In all of the major prophets, and some minors, such as Amos. Just read...
Jonathan
2007-09-30 14:33:28 UTC
It is a bit cryptic, but Isaiah 53 goes through his life, death, and resurrection.
Concept Styles
2007-09-30 15:49:57 UTC
The problem with that the story in Isaiah is that it is not talking about a person. It is talking about the whole Jewish nation.
Gawdless Heathen
2007-09-30 14:37:28 UTC
Isaiah 53 says no such thing, you are just trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Saying this verse is about jesus is a stretch to say the least. There is a reason the jews rejected jesus, they read THEIR book and found nothing, until you changed it into the OT no one found jesus in the tanak.



Psalm 22 talks of a coming messiah but it again is obvious no one is talking of jesus. the jews studied the tanak for millenium before the christians hijacked it for their own purposes. There is a reason almost all jews rejected jesus.
manapaformetta
2007-09-30 15:37:21 UTC
it doesn't at all as the word jesus isn't mentioned in the old testiment in any place or aquivilent in another language.

it mentions an annointed one who could be any baptised person or king as that is how they were crowned.
dust
2007-09-30 15:21:27 UTC
I love all these references - but have you read them.



Clear as a Christian capitalists conscience!!



Blessed are the Cheesemakers!
ccosj
2007-09-30 14:33:57 UTC
agreed
Disciple
2007-09-30 14:46:58 UTC
Jesus myth superstar, what Bible are you reading?
Furqaan
2007-10-01 21:35:27 UTC
No


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