If Jesus didn't qualify to be the Jewish messiah, then why did so many people follow him?

Question

If Jesus didn't qualify to be the Jewish messiah, then why did so many people follow him?

Answer 1

If the Jewish people had understood the prophecies of Isaiah, they would have understood that Messiah came first 1) to pay the price for man's sins (by dying on the Cross, this is the curse of hanging on a tree), this had to be done by a man, and by a spotless man, typified in the Levitical sacrifices by the spotless lamb. THEN 2) Messiah would rule and reign with perfect righteousness. Since Israel rejected Christ as the Messiah, the Gentile period is now in effect. When Jesus Christ returns the second time, all those prophecies will literally be fulfilled. You might compare the last few chapters of the Book of Revelation with the prophecies of Ezekiel, Zechariah, and Isaiah.

Answer 2

answer: There were very few Jews that followed Jesus, that's why Paul fought with Paul about taking the message to the Gentiles. Paul changed up the message and requirements to be a "Christian" and took it on the road to people that wouldn't know that Jesus didn't meet the requirements. Galilee was very Hellenized and not an area of strict adherence to Judaism - a perfect breeding ground for a new brand of reform Judaism and then a totally new religion. Add in political expedience in having a new, restrictive and religion that the Emperor and those in power could twist centuries later and you had Christianity and the reason it spread. At first it spread among the slaves, women and poor - the hopeless cases of society because it offered a better afterlife and promises of a Savior that was going to come within their lifetime - he didn't but the religion spread.



Others are incorrect - there are NOT 300 or 600 prophecies concerning the Jewish messiah. There are a true handful and Jesus accomplished none of them. The others, like the often touted Isaiah verses are NOT about a future messiah - they were contemporary. Here are the prophecies:



* The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)

* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)

* The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)

* He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)

* The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)

*****In other words - this must all be accomplished in a human lifetime*****

* Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)

* Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)

* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)

* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)

* Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)

* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)

* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)

* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)

* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)

* Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)

* The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)

* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)

* Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)

* The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot

* He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)

* Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)

* He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)

* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9).



Thanks to Mark S and Plushy Bear

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And a sidenote - Messianic Jews are not Jewish and very few ever were and even fewer of those were ever practicing Jews. They are Christians. A Christian sect that is attempting to mesh what Jesus actually taught (a reform Judaism) with Christianity. Unfortunately they take Jewish rituals and holy days and dilute and twist them to include Jesus - where he did not exist and never should. Most have no idea how harmful they are and disrespectful to Judaism, the very religion Jesus followed.



If they would embrace the term Benei Noach – righteous Gentiles and observe the original Jewish rituals and holy days as they were intended, then worship their human savior Jesus, they would find a common ground with Jews.



Then there are the intentionally deceptive "Messianics" who were never Jewish, call their ministers Rabbi and use extremely deceptive means to convert vulnerable Jews from their religion and culture. They fully intend on destroying Judaism. They are denounced by good Christians like Billy Graham and all of the Jewish community.



If you convert to a new religion, you are no longer your original religion. I converted from Christianity to paganism, I can't call myself a Christian. A Jew that converts to Christianity cannot call themselves a Jew any longer or they can call themselves an apostate Jew, that's what they are.



"Messianics" are like other Christians, they read the mistranslated OT and see what they wish to see.



And are willing to attack Jews and Judaism when they (and supporters) answer a question truthfully why they didn't and do not consider Jesus the foretold Messiah.

Answer 3

First of all SUZANNE



She is very misguided and you really shouldn't listen to any of her posting. She stated that the OT is known as the Tanakh to Jews...NO.



The OT and the NT are both very twisted and warped REWRITTEN versions of the original writtings known as Tanakh. Many meanings were lost during the rewriting of the Torah and Tanakh. If you want a proper and correct version of who moshiach will be, READ the websites that were cited. (see below for additional sites).



And, she continues to rant and rave as if she knows what she is talking about. LOL NOT



Paperback Writer has the most accurate and logical answer in this question.



There's nothing more that I can really add except that if you are asking a JEW a question, then you should listen to us, as JEWS, give you the correct answer.



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http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/jewishsociety/Why_Jews_Dont_Believe_In_Jesus.asp

http://www.askmoses.com/article/120,350/Why-don-t-Jews-believe-that-Jesus-was-the-messiah.html

http://www.askmoses.com/article/227,2098696/Who-is-Moshiach.html



Jesus did not fulfill any of the basic duties of the Messiah.



Additionally, the Bible is replete with prophecies about the Messianic Era (see for example Isaiah 11) which were never realized.



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Who will the messiah be?

The Messiah will be a human restorer of the throne of David. The messiah will be a descendent of King David and will be born of human parents.

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The word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word "Mashiach", which means "Anointed." It usually refers to a person initiated into God's service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, I Kings 1:39, II Kings 9:3)



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JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH



A. MESSIAH AS PROPHET



Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets -- Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.



Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended!

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Answer 4

John 12:37-43 ... But though He had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on Him : That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed ? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart ; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias, when he saw His glory, and spake of Him.



11 Corinthians 4:3-6 ... But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost : In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



11 Corinthians 3:12-14 ... Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech : And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished : But their minds were blinded ; for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament ; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless, when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.



Romans 11:7-11 ... What then ? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for ; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear : Unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompense unto them : Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall ? God forbid : but rather through their fall, salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.





Isaiah 44:6 ....... Thus saith the Lord, the King of Israel, and his redeemer, the Lord of hosts ; I Am the first, and I Am the last ; and beside Me there is no God .



Revelation 1:8 ....... I Am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come : the Almighty.



Isaiah 48:12 ....... Hearken unto Me, O Jacob and Israel, My called: I Am He ; I Am the first, I also am the last.



Revelation 1:17 ....... And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me , Fear not ; I Am the first and the last.





Revelation 22:13 ....... I Am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.



Hebrews 1:8 ....... But unto the Son, He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.





Genesis 1:1 ....... In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.



John 1:1-3 ....... In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him ; and without Him was not anything made that was made.



John 1:14 ....... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.



Jeremiah 32:17 ....... Ah, Lord God ! Behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee.





John 1:10 ....... He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world know Him not.

Answer 5

This questions requires a rather lengthy answer. Very very condensed version



Jesus had a small group of followers who were Jewish it was not growing amongst Jews so they started trying to recruit gentiles to grow their numbers. The Emperor Constantine converted and basically became the official religion of the Roman empire from there it spread like wild fire through an assortment of tactics.



In a nut shell - Rome conquered the western world and force fed it Christianity.



Edit

You have to excuse Suzanne on her rants against Jews and Judaism, she is a nice person but she is blinded by a hateful faith.

Answer 6

Jesus is the Messiah.

Jesus fulfilled every prophecy written about Him.

Jesus is still today fulfilling prophecy ..

Had Jesus been born into a family of great power and wealth.

Had Jesus been a great leader, freeing the Jews from bondage.

Then they would have believed.

But Jesus came as the Word of God said he would.

But it did not aline with What the Jewish people wanted.

So they rejected Him.Some still do.

For the Bible to be " so wrong" why are we seeing its Holy Words coming to pass today.

Seek God ,ask Him to reveal to you His truth.

A Jewish man in our Church ,was saved while on his knees seeking Gods truth. He has gone back to Israel many times , praying for his people.

Jesus was not forced on him,or feed to him.

As he was seeking truth , God gave him Jesus.<><

Answer 7

If Mohammed isn't the true final Prophet, who even Jesus foretold, why do so many people follow him?



What people do to make the world fit their beliefs would fill several supercomputers.



If you want to, for whatever reasons, badly enough, you might even think a lunatic like David Koresh is a messiah.

Answer 8

People are capable of an almost infinite amount of rationalization. They very much WANTED Jesus to be their Messiah, so they simply decided that the qualifications set down in the Old Testament no longer applied. They basically re-wrote "the rules" in a way that they found more suitable and gratifying. This might have been the first time they did that, but it sure wasn't the last time. It seems to be an ongoing process.

Answer 9

Suzanne has a very good answer on this. But I will weigh in as well.



The majority of Jews do not accept Yeshua as Messiah because He claimed to be God, and to them, God is "one" and the acceptance of Jesus as God, to them, would be polytheistic. Of course, all of this is based one major question, was Yeshua lying when He said He was God? If He was NOT God, then He was lying, a sinner, and not a perfect sacrifice. If Yeshua was INDEED God, then He was the perfect sacrifice as dictated by the requirements of the Passover Lamb.



John 10

"I and My Father are one."

Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.

Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”

The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."



This was prophesied by God in the Tonakh in several places. Some in "type" with both Moses and Joseph being rejected by their brethren upon their first coming, but accepted as savior in their second. This was the main point of Stephen's defense before the Sanhedrin in the Book of Acts. Yeshua was also prophesied to be the "Stone of stumbing" and the "Rock of offense". Jesus confirms this after His resurrection when He said in Luke 24:25-26,



“O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?”

(click on my 360 and then read the link "In the Volume of the Book")



Paul recognized this and called it a veil, much like the veil they put over the face of Moses...

But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. - 2 Cor. 3:15

However, if a Jewish seeker looks for the truth of Messiah, proves (like the Bereans) that Yeshua is indeed the prophesied Savior, then this veil is removed.

Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. - 2 Cor. 3:16



So it all depends on what they choose to see, and how they choose to come before God. With good deeds (which never impressed God) or with the blood of the Lamb.

Answer 10

Because up until the moment he was nailed to the cross, it was still possible he would turn out to be the Messiah. You know, drive out the Romans, unite Israel, gather up the lost and initiate the kingdom of God on Earth.



But hey. In the 1960s, over here we had a cult worshiping a fish monger who claimed to be god. And even after he died, they maintained he was god. I am not making this up.



So if this could happen in the 20th century...

Answer 11

I barely got halfway down the page and realized that you are definitely NOT the only one VERY confused about Judaism.

It drives Jews bonkers to continually see folk answering for Jewish belief and get it so utterly wrong,

First I want to address a couplle of misconceptions from below,

1) The Davidic Messiah is to be a ruler who rules with PEACE , humility, justice, mercy and compassion. He's not some warrior lord.

2) TO THE PERSON WHO THINKS THAT HEALING OR SAVING A LIFE ON SHABBAT was a problem Jews would have with Jesus.. NONSENSE..UTTERLY ABSURD AND IMPOSSIBLE.

iT IS AGAINST TORAH TO REFRAIN FROM SAVING A LIFE, EVEN IF ONE HAS TO DO ACTIONS THAT VIOLATE THE SABBATH TO DO SO. It was that way in the time of Moses and it remained so in the time of Jesus and it remains so today.

Now, I'll try to explain a little about the beginnings of the key differences.

The asker begins with a premise that Jesus had a lot of Jewish followers. Jewish history does not bear this out at all. In fact, when some of the texts of the New Testament were first introduced, from their very first appearance, such as the story of Barabbas with it's invented custom of pardoning a prisoner for Passover that never EVER existed..were immediately known to be untrue about Jews.

Christianity is replacement theology to Judaism and its holy texts and precepts depend on turning the beliefs of Judaism topsy-turvy in many regards. It is so very different from the concept of the nature of God to the manner that humans relate to God and to each other.



Christianity borrowed words, phrases, and many of the stories of the ancient Hebrews, but reassigned to them meanings that are MUCH closer to the Romanized and Hellenized concepts of Roman occupied Judea.



Belief in a savior man/god whose blood and death atoned for the sinful nature of his people was common to many in the Levant. Original sin ( born with a burden of sin ) is foreign to Torah and Judaism.



A study of Plato's Republic, particularly the portion called "The Myth of Er" gives a near verbatim depiction of the Christian concept of hell (that is not found in Tanakh) more than 200 years before the time Jesus is said to have lived.

Every aspect of Jewish belief is given a new spin. Things that I once thought must have been fabricated outright I later discovered were beliefs of the ancient Greeks and Romans. This was the longstanding battle for souls going on..the Hellenized Jews, those who had become apostate to Judaism, desired to entice other Jews to worship as the Greeks that they believed superior in philosophy and knowledge, so they created texts that tried to say..see this is what it was supposed to have been all along. However, reality was that those beliefs were identical to the beliefs and practices that the Torah demonized (Baal, Tammuz and Mithras worship and customs play most frequently)

Once one begins an in-depth study of the religious practices and beliefs of all the peoples surrounding the Jews in the centuries just preceding the beginning of Christianity, one can see these developments take place. It was a concerted effort to do away with Israel and Judaism.

That explains all the hundreds of passages in the New Testament that are antisemitic in nature.

This may sound harsh to a Christian that believes their NT is infallible, but this is a question about Jews and Jesus and to be frank and honest it must be addressed from the historic perspective.

When Titus destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D., the Roman government struck a coin with the phrase 'Judea Capta,' meaning Judea has been captured. The term Palestine was never used in the early Roman designations." After Bar Kochba'sunsuccessful second Jewish revolt against Rome in 135 CE, Emperor Hadrian ordered that all Jews be exiled from the Holy Land. "He took the name of the ancient enemies of Israel, the Philistines, Latinized it to Palestine, and applied it to the Land of Israel. He hoped to erase the name Israel from all memory."



The Christian concept of the nature of God, the role and fuinction and very essence of "Messiah" are different.



edit: Didi, Paperback, Frau and Quantril are spot on. Suzanne, as usual, is giving wrong information about Jewish belief.



edit: If Suzanne is going to talk about how many times something is said in the Tanakh..don't forget the DOZENS of times from beginning to end that the covenant of Israel is called eternal.

Isaiah did not write in chapters, those divisions were added a thousand years later..and if she's going to count..whiy OMIT the FOURTEEN times that Isaiah EXPLICITLY says HIMSELF that the SERVANT is Israel from the same narrative, beginning in Chapter 41 all the way to Chapter 53? If anyone needs help finding those passages, email me or read in context yourself. One can mislead by omission as well as commission ( the false statement that implied Jews did not read Isaiah's words in context until the middle ages..anyone Jew or non Jew can see what Isaiah says in context ) At least this misleading rant from Suzanne isnt as horrid as the Holocaust one. It appears Suzanne is blinded to the irony of cherry picking a passage from Ezekiel that explains why believing Jews do not abandon Torah for belief in a man/god savior to justify her condemning Jews for NOT doing what Ezekiel is condemning.

She is using the Christian religion's texts of replacement theology that demonize Jews for not rejecting the God of Israel and that call Christians the "real" Jews.

The "remnant" are those that never left Torah.



The Christian concept that before Jesus, God was exclusively for the Jews, has ALWAYS been foreign to Jewish belief. The book of Kings records Gentiles worshipping at the Temple. Torah teaches that every human can directly connect to God and the righteous of all nations are blessed. It is Christianity that has as a part of it's dogma that one must be Christian to connect to God, not vice versa.



Since Isaiah was brought up, I'll also add, he restated the Torah concept that the righteous of all nations merit a place in the world to come.



The world to come..whatever it is..will take care of itself. It's this world that we're entrusted with in the here and now.



Judaism teaches that humanity's role is to work with each other to help God with perfecting and restoring or repairing anything out of harmony, any and all injustice or opression, any poverty, sickness, etc. Our walk with Hashem is more about deed than creed.



It isn't about earning a ticket into heaven. It is about fulfilling what we believe our purpose for existence is all about and how we achieve connection to one another and to Hashem (God)

The Jews here aren't going to condemn the Christians for not being Jews...that isn't what our covenant of faith requires and in fact that would be a sin for us to do. But, we are obligated by Torah to speak out when our own path and faith is misrepresented.



Shalom and I'm DONE

Answer 12

Great post :)



As you clearly are aware, the Jewish concept of 'maschiach' got revised and changed within Christianity.



As for why so many people accepted Jesus as messiah: remember, when Paul couldn't convince the Jews to abandon Torah in order to worship Jesus, he took his message to the Gentiles. Now, they didn't *know* what the Jewish Tanakh said about the messiah, so they believed Paul.



In addition, Paul offered them a lovely image of a loving Jesus; he offered them a very clear system that included 'heaven', something which Judaism doesn't say much about.



And Paul made it clear that circumcision was not needed, so of course, it appealed to men!



But the fact remains: Judaism first articulated the concept of 'messiah' and to qualify AS the Jewish messiah, a person must:



- bring world peace

- rebuild the temple

- unite all Jews in Israel

- bring Torah to the nations

- reject doing miracles



and other things.



And he must do them ALL BEFORE HE DIES. In one normal, human lifetime - the Jewish messiah gets NO 'second coming'!



edit



Please be aware that DEVOTED answers as a Christian: the Christians that go round posing as 'messianic jews' are just that: CHRISTIANS.



No 'messianic' sect IN Judaism. None.



As for 'jews4jesus': this group was founded by an ordained BAPTIST minister. He openly calls himself a Christian. He belongs to about seven different Churches. He states his desire is to convert Jews TO Christianity.



The entire Messianic movement was founded by Christians and is 100% funded by evangelical Churches.



Also, please note:



SUZANNE uses the Christian bible as 'proof' that Jews are 'wrong' about their own concept of 'messiah'. It's absurd - the Christian scriptures are hardly objective and are certainly not a reliable source of info about Judaism. The gospels describe the 'trial' of Jesus and blame the Jews - numerous Christian writers today ADMIT that the gospel authors wrote them DECADES after Jesus died and that the authors were not witnesses TO the trial!



Judaism has said the exact *same* thing about the messiah for thousands of years: our criteria has NOT changed in the slightest. Here are the Jewish prophecies; see the comments and see if you agree that Jesus has not fulfilled a single one:





* He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)Well, Christianity itself says that Joseph was not the actual father of Jesus. So no - Jesus is not from the line of King David.





*The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2) Again: Christianity itself defines Jesus as so much more than just 'a man of this world'. And while Jesus did teach basic Judaism, he was not 'observant' - he broke the Shabbat, something no observant Jew ever does.





*Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)

Did evil and tyranny end while Jesus lived? No, in fact they flourished. The Romans crucified hundreds of thousands of innocent people, many of them Jews. Their rotting corpses lined the streets. Jesus did NOT fulfill this prophecy.



*All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)



Have all Jews returned to Israel? Answer: no.Today, more Jews live in New York alone, than in the whole of Israel. And far from returning all Jews to Israel, after Jesus died, the Jews were exiled for thousands of years. So Jesus did not fulfill this prophecy.





* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)

Did Jesus eradicate hunger and illness before he died? Answer: no.



* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)

Last time I looked, I didn't see hordes of the dead sauntering down the street. So it's another miss for Jesus. He did not fulfill this prophecy before he died.



* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)

Alas, this has not been fulfilled. In several European nations, such as the UK, the number of violent anti semitic assaults, fatal attacks included, is on the rise. In the UK, two non Jewish politicians are so alarmed they have organised a parliamentary enquiry.



And in Israel, both Jewish and non Jewish citizens are still regularly victims of terrorism. Indeed, in southern Israel, some towns are under attack 24/7 from missiles being launched by terrorists in Hamas controlled Gaza. So the answer is no: Jesus did not fulfill this prophecy before he died. Far from it: it was after his death that Jews were exiled and further down the line, the grotesque episode that was the Holocaust occurred.



* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)

Jesus did preach 'peace', although he also claimed to be here to spread his message by the 'sword'.



* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)

Has this happened? Answer: no.



* Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)

Clearly Jesus failed to fulfill this one. Right now, Iran is slowly but surely preparing to complete its nuclear weapons project and Ahmadinejad has on several occasions vowed to 'wipe Israel off the map'.



* The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot. Has the temple been rebuilt? Answer: no. Jesus did not fulfill this. And indeed, it will be difficult for the temple to be rebuilt by anyone, given that there now stands a gigantic Mosque slapbang where the Jewish temple always stood.





*He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9) Did Jesus 'perfect' the world before he died? Answer: no.





*Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)

Jews still have to study Torah so no, this prophecy remains unfulfilled also.



* He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)

Jesus may have fulfilled this for the people he knew. It hasn't been fulfilled for the rest of the world, though, no.



* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9). Did Jesus achieve this before he died? Answer: no.





* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)



Jesus was never a king. He was never anointed. No other nation even knew of him, let alone looked to him for guidance. Jesus did not fulfill this prophecy.



* The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)



Has this happened? No. Jesus did not fulfill this prophecy.



* The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)Did this happen before Jesus died? No.Has it happened since he died? No.



* Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5) Clearly, Jesus did not fulfill this prophecy. Many Arab and Islamic states still openly vow to destroy Israel.





* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10) Before he died, Jesus did not attract people from any other culture or nation. Jesus himself preached only to Jews. It was Paul that took Christianity to a wider audience.



* Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9) This did not happen before Jesus died. And today there are many cultures where monotheism does not prevail. So no, Jesus did not fulfill this prophecy.



*The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)*



Has the Sanhedrin been re-established anywhere in the world?Answer: no.



EDIT TO SUZANNE



Since you claim always to know so much about Judaism, I'd have thought you'd know that the Tanakh and the OT are NOT the same. The OT is a Christian text; it was reorganised by the Church and still, many editions of it contain MIStranslations which alter the entire meaning and context of the original Hebrew.



If the asker of the question is interested in the *correct* interpretation of Isaiah 53, she is welcome to email me. Alternatively, there is a great website that both Christians and Jews enjoy, where Rabbi Tovia Singer answers queries from both, and he speaks about Isaiah and 'maschiach':

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/



LOL LOL



Suzanne, are you so insecure about what Jews might say that you even felt the need to bash us for 'pasting and copying'???!



Pathetic. I've seen you paste and copy numerous times - now you condemn us for doing it? Grow up.

Answer 13

Most Jews didn't follow him. According to the Christian stories, those that did tended to be relatively uneducated.



Christianity didn't really get going until Paul came along . . . Paul was a man who claimed to be a highly regarded Pharisee who had a vision one night. However, even the Christian bible says that the Pharisees didn't recognize Paul, and even Paul says he'd be willing to lie for his religion (see Romans 3:7.)

Answer 14

because, they were misinformed, then lied to.



and still being lied to.



read the bible, he is not qualified. he did not fulfill many prophecies.



one is his lineage. his lineage isnt that of the "messiah'.

Answer 15

The gospels say people followed him. In reality I doubt if Jesus was even known to most of his contemporaries in Judea never mind viewed as the Messiah. Christianity became popular only because Rome found it politically expedient to establish it as the state religion.

Answer 16

he is not followed because God has not been pleased to open their eyes (yet)

Answer 17

People followed David Koresh too. There is a massive history of people following different religious leaders.



There is currently a man living in Russia who claims to be the new Christ. He has many followers, a whole village in fact. By your logic he must be the new Christ right? After all they wouldn't be following him for nothing?



Religious people will follow anyone who is saying what they want to hear. Their religion prevents them from honestly discerning any kind of truth.



We also have no idea just how much impact Jesus had on the times back then, no contemporaneous sources record his existence. Maybe he was just one of the many flash-in-the-pan preachers that existed back then and he got lucky with his preaching.

Answer 18

To Maci: Paul said he was willing to die, not lie, for his religion.

I hope it's just a mistake and that you didn't try to lie.



The whole point of christianism is that you can not obtain salvation by your own learning and knowledge, nor through any work that your hands could ever create or buy. Sending your money to any church or person just will not buy the salvation of your soul. No church or ministry can sell salvation to you, or free you from the bonds that sin and guilt binds you with, and no matter how hard you work for any ministry, that just will not earn you salvation.

Each of us can have salvation, and though it is free to you and I, an extreme price has been paid when Jesus Christ went to the cross and laid down His life for your sins and mine. Salvation is free to those that will accept that blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and we receive our salvation by believing in Jesus, and acting upon the faith that God will do what He promised us in His Word.



The problem with this world, is that you cannot do good without doing evil, unless you take the evil on yourself.

Answer 19

Actually, in his day (i.e.. during his life) he had very few followers. it wasn't until a few hundred years later than Christianity took hold.



read some history. You could start with Emperor Constantine.

Answer 20

It was forced on The Roman people by Constantine and the council of Nicaea in 325 A.D.



Deist

Answer 21

The Jews were looking for a warrior God to vanquish their enemies so they didn't recognize Jesus when he showed up.

Answer 22

You are confused because you've made several assumptions that are incorrect. Actually, your first incorrect assumption is the most critical: "I figured if anyone would know if he was or not, Jews would know since it's their original texts that pointed to messiah."



God repeatedly states throughout the Old Testament (known as the Tanakh to Jews) that the Jewish people tend to be very stubborn and disobedient to His will. God calls the Jews a "stiff necked people" (stubborn) SEVEN TIMES in the books of Moses alone! And each time, God ties their stubbornness to their tendency to ignore His commands. It's for this reason that God tells Moses at Deut. 18 that:



"18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account."



The prophet God speaks of here is the Messiah, Jesus Christ -- whose life bears a startling resemblence to Moses'.



But what does God's word say will happen when this Prophet appears? Isaiah 53:1 SPECIFICALLY states that few Jews would believe the Messiah when He came to earth the first time. The rest of Isaiah 53 tells us He would be rejected by them, beaten, accused of evil even though He was completely innocent, and killed to atone for the sins of the people. DO NOT BE CONFUSED by the fact that "modern" Jews state Isaiah 53 applies to the Jewish people; the FACT is that most ancient Jewish scholars thought Isaiah 53 applied to the Messiah. It wasn't until the MIDDLE AGES that the Jews developed the position that Isaiah 53 described themselves -- this was done in order to attack the Messianic Jewish position that Isaiah 53 applies to the Messiah, Yeshua (Jesus).



So by now, you're probably asking "why would God send a Messiah that His own people would reject?!" The answer is sad, but simple: to separate out the Jews who do not love and honor Him from the ones who do. God accomplishes this in the same way He did in the time of Elijah, when most Jews were idolators: He reserves a "remnant" of Jews at all times who are faithful to Him. Paul explains this at Romans 11:



1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “LORD, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal." 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. ... 7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect [the remnant] have obtained it, and the rest [those who don't believe] were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:



“ God has given them a spirit of stupor,

Eyes that they should not see

And ears that they should not hear,

To this very day.”



9 And David says:



“ Let their table become a snare and a trap,

A stumbling block and a recompense to them.

10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,

And bow down their back always.”



Throughout history as well as today, THOUSANDS of Jews around the world believe Yeshua (Jesus) is Messiah. Yet, Scripture tells us that a great revival is about to happen among the Jewish people who don't believe: during this time, MILLIONS of Jews will believe, because of God's grace and mercy.



In the meantime, be prepared to receive many responses to your question from Jews who cut-and-paste lists of reasons why Jesus allegedly didn't fulfill the prophecies. God has blinded them so they cannot see what is plain to those of us who love Him: that Jesus is Messiah!

Answer 23

He did qualify...he fulfilled all the OT prophecies.



Read Isaiah 53 for example...written 600 yrs before Christ and yet describes his life fully.

Answer 24

Humans were and are sheeplike..we love to follow a leader.

Answer 25

There are lots of resources on the internet about this, but the best ones always come from the Messianc Jews!



http://jewsforjesus.org/answers/jesus/proofessay

Answer 26

Basically, Jews think Jesus broke Sabbath. And they believe this because He healed the sick on Sabbath. He also said, if your cattle fall in a ditch on Sabbath, it's ok to get them out, rather to leave them there to die. The ultra Orthodox claimed this was "working" and Jews were supposed to rest, not work, on Sabbath.



Jesus used practical solutions without breaking Sabbath, and that bothered some.



We know He IS the promised Messiah. He fulfilled everything Torah said of Him. That's why He said in Matt 5:17 "I came not to abolish Torah, but to FULFILL Torah."



Please don't be confused because confusion is not of God, it is of the Adversary. Nothing was lost in translation, it was merely taught differently, since the time of Constantine and the early popes. The Bible is complete and still tells us what we need to know about Yeshua ha Maschiah. (Jesus the Messiah)



Blessings to you!



D1

Answer 27

They heard they would be lots of wine to drink,

Answer 28

Why did so many people become Mormons?



People are friggin idiots.

Answer 29

He's a Jewish reject