Question:
Why can't 'christians' get their 'god' to do a miracle now and then?
2012-09-14 14:33:26 UTC
You know, like on Stupid God Tricks, on Letterman.
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2012-09-14 15:10:23 UTC
Well Speaker-to-animals,



You certainly seem to have a lot to say, although it seems it is usually shut the **** up. I guess if you can't have a cogent discussion then that must be your best argument. Telling those that say the truth to shut up.



But I will give you the same argument that was used when the Pharisees demanded that Christ give them miricles to show that he was who he said he was.



Matthew 12:38-40 "Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."



So the miracle you want was given in the resurrection of Jesus. Did that resurrection occur? I believe that any objective consideration of the evidence would prove to an unbiased mind that it did occur as the best explanation of the facts.



Consider that even Jesus' enemies admit certain facts about the case. The pharisees attempted to bribe the roman guards in to saying that the apostles stole the body from the grave, while they slept.



Even this admits certain facts into evidence.



1 - That Jesus lived.

2 - That he was killed.

3 - That he was buried in a known location.

4 - That a guard was placed on the grave.

5 - That the grave was empty.



Jesus lived, because you can't put an imaginary person into a grave.

He was killed, because you don't put a living person into a grave.

He was buried in a known location, because they placed a guard on it. He wasn't buried in Mount Olympus or in a bank of clouds. It was a real physical and accessable location.

The Guard was there to prevent the body being removed.

The grave was found to be empty, or else why claim the body was stolen.



Now if the guard fell asleep on duty, that was a crime punishable by death in the roman legions. So falling asleep was unlikely. If they were asleep, then how did they know the apostles were the ones to steal the body? If they were awake enough to see it was the apostles, then why didn't they stop them?



If the apostles went to the wrong tomb, then Jesus was still in the grave. Why not take it out and show the people once the claims of resurrection were begining to be made?



If the Romans or the Sanhedrin took the body, why not bring it out and show the people once the apostles started to claim Jesus was resurrected? If they destroyed the body, why didn't they make that claim instead of accusing the apostles of theft?



If Jesus did not raise from the dead, where is he? He would have to be buried someplace. Why is it that there is no place on earth that claims that he is buried there? Alexander the great was buried in Memphis Egypt, Caesar was cremated and his ashes entombed in Rome, Where is Jesus buried?



If the Apostles lied about the resurrection, then they certainly paid a penalty for doing so. All of them, with the exception of John the revealtor, died martyrs deaths. Usually in very painful ways. Why is there not a single story about how one of them recanted and said it was a lie to avoid death?



If you are so determined to disprove the existence of Christ and God, then I challenge you to what should be a simple task. Prove that the resurrection was false. Someone with your intellectual prowess should find that to be an easy task. Or maybe you should just STFU.
Adore
2012-09-14 14:41:01 UTC
Hi there! I know you are getting it all wrong. I see that many people do not see that even just merely waking up is a miracle. God knows the right time as you have the right time to be promoted from being an assistance to a manager at work. You can't just start to be a manager. In the same way I say become righteous and highly righteous and then you will see your miracle but if it is not yet time then be thankful. Miracles happen more than now and then for me.
Donna
2012-09-14 14:34:32 UTC
To be fair, I'd say any theists god.
2012-09-14 14:42:40 UTC
Our Creator does miracles all the time for us and even does them occasionally for the people who of their Father the Devil see even the carnal perishing people without truth like yourself God still cares for you but when our Creator returns the time of Grace will be over and Jesus will come to judge
2012-09-14 14:40:03 UTC
I wanted a bridge from L.A. to hawaii so I prayed and prayed for it, but no bridge. I asked god to end the starvation of children all around the world - the starvation is worse then ever. I too would like to see christians get their god to do anything at all.
John
2012-09-14 14:43:05 UTC
either god doesn't interfere in our lives or he doesn't exist. pick one. don't listen to the answers saying "we don't know his will" or whatever. that's just a lame excuse
?
2012-09-14 14:37:21 UTC
How many "parlor tricks" must God perform before you'd call him God?
2012-09-14 15:17:10 UTC
The question may not be the best, but it has a valid query in the background somewhere...In advance thanks for reading.



I was an atheist at one point in my life, but i'm now a Christian. I could never find any evidence of God in the godless individuals who had claimed to be christians in my life back then, but I see things a little differenly now.......



So here is how it works, based on 5+ years of intense study of scripture. You can do the legwork if you like but it's all there waiting for you to discover. FYI - I even disagree with many Christians regarding the doctrines they have settled upon as it can lack cohesion with other scriptures.......[for another time]



Here goes.

1. God doesn't control your life

2. He doesn't make bad things happen to you or any others.

3. The bible is a compilation of many books written by many authors who all say the same thing in one way or another, each in their own style, from different locations, cultures, time periods.....

4. OT God is like a father spanking his kids, NT God is like a father imparting wisdom and reason for all the OT spankings to his now adolescent children.

5. The bible is also a road map to better living, this is what was left behind after all the spankings and wisdom.....



Now it's up to us to learn from it, and grow. This is the sole reason that God does not interfer with natural disasters in any way......we need to learn and grow - in what way you ask? How can anyone learn and grow when they are drowned to death in a tsunami?



Here's how I see God in my every day life. Countless people from all over the world gave up their time and money to assist these individuals in rebuilding their lives. The same happened with Hurricane Katrina - mission teams spent their time and money to be Jesus to these people so that they could get back on their feet. Christians, not all of them but at least the real ones, see those who have nothing and attempt to fill their needs - Jesus told us that this was one of the things we HAD to do to in order to be obedient to God's word. These type of Christians WANT to do this, not because they Have to.



If I was not a Christian it would be easy for me to say that it was not my business to help them and I should stay out of it....more of a selfish attitude than anything else. Or I can think that if it was God plan that they all drown [which I've already said it wasn't] then helping them is in direct violation to his plan so i'll abstain from helping. [bad logic]



So.......I see God each and every day when....

1. I see a homeless man blessed with a $20 and a warm meal, by a Christian

2. I see a shelter open up for battered women, by Christians

3. when you buy coffee for the person behind you at the drive though at Starbucks, and you don't need any recognition for it..... by a Christian

4. When you take the time to mow your neighbors lawn becuase they are in a wheelchair [you give them their legs back when you do this]

5. when you are thankful for the blessing in your life even though you just got laid off [not dwelling on the bad, but thankfull you still have a family and a roof over your head, etc....]

6. when you are willing to give to others even though it means you will go without.

7. when you bite your tongue even though you've just been chewed out by some ignorant individual.....



The list goes on and on. God works through the body of the church, through Christians as they go out and be Jesus to those around them in their community. They've understood God's cause, they've read his Word, they've placed it in their hearts and minds, and they've decided it's better to be this way than to ask God to do stupid tricks so that they can prove to others he is real. they decide that leading by example is much much better.



We are all sinners who want nothing than to satisfy ourselves, when it comes down to brass tacks. Christians strive to move against the grain, what the "world" tells them is acceptable, and listen to what the Bible tells them they ought to be doing. this is the Very Basic concept of what it means to be Christian - difference in doctrines are usually outside of these things and usually due to a lack of scriptural knowledge. After all Jesus spoke about one way, one God, how to Love....i'm pretty sure that he'd not see Today's Christianity as what he left us with in 33 AD.



Not all Christians are like this, there are many that give real Christians a bad name - nothing we can do about it, but if you dwell on their mistakes you will never see the truth peering out from behind the veil.



Beside, I can't Get god to do anything he hasn't already promised us he'd do.

Hope this shines some light.



PS - Theophilus is totally right...........

God Bless.
2012-09-14 14:40:59 UTC
um, God performs miracles all the time. You refuse to see them as miracles.



And why pick on Christians only. Other faiths have their gods.
?
2012-09-14 14:37:19 UTC
i dont believe theres a god, why didnt he stop the holocaust, why didnt he save the innocent lives being taken in 9/11, what about the people who died in the tsunami disasters and what about the people who still suffer to this day, you know who save people in trouble or at least try is other people not a god we make our own miracles
2012-09-14 14:37:43 UTC
that's not how it works if it was you would have a thunder bolt on it way
2012-09-14 14:39:16 UTC
That would be better than stupid human tricks.



Getting god to do a miracle nowdays, that would be a trick.
Tommiecat
2012-09-14 14:37:19 UTC
He does miracles every day. He don't do them for people who question his existance.
Nashira
2012-09-14 14:42:32 UTC
There is NO credible, tangible, verifiable evidence of this. you may as well talk to the animals.
Mimi
2012-09-14 14:35:46 UTC
One must not tempt God- and yes, it's in the Bible. Jesus told Satan this in the wilderness when Satan wanted to see tricks.
?
2012-09-14 14:36:13 UTC
Would you tell your dad to sit to prove to your friends he is conscious?
Bible Johnny
2012-09-14 14:35:10 UTC
God does His will not man`s
☦Angel 4 Truth☦
2012-09-14 14:35:59 UTC
1. not in our control, in HIS

2. He does, he has in my life in more ways than you know

3. People like you really tick me off and make me think un-christ-like thoughts
?
2012-09-14 14:36:16 UTC
God is God, not a dolphin or a dog. lol
Someone who cares
2012-09-14 14:34:16 UTC
He does lots every day. I guess you missed out.


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