Does the Epic of Gilgamesh live on through it's retelling in Noah's Ark?

Question

Epic of Gilgamesh's theme is often times immortality or finding youth, is it ironic that the Epic of Gilgamesh kind of found immortality through the retelling of it's story of the great flood from the Bible?

Too bad most people don't realize that the story of Noah was taken from Sumerian lore.

Answer 1

Noah lived before Gilgamesh. The flood account predated the Sumerians, because all present humanity came from Noah.



Kush, or Cush, was also in the Sumerian record, and he was a grandson of Noah, who also lived before the Sumerians.



Many flood stories exist in the histories of nations thousands of years ago. They would not exist if there wasn't a common source that predated them.



The Torah was penned by Moses a few thousand years after the flood, and by inspiration he was given some of the information that he had by God, and some came from the histories of the Hebrews and the Semites, who are the children of Shem, who was in the ark with his father Noah.



This is a case of plagiarism - the poem of Gilgamesh was copied from more ancient records, it did not originate from the Sumerians.



Moses not only used the records of his foreparents to write Genesis, he actually provided indications of dates by connecting them with the ages of the people who actually lived at that time, along with events, names of kings, locations, customs and other details that were later confirmed by archeology.



The Epic of Gilgamesh does not have that level of detail or accuracy. It is just a poem written by someone who heard of the account, but who wasn't there.

Answer 2

No. The Epic of Gilgamesh is another version of Noah's Flood.

Answer 3

I find it ironic that so many speak about Gilgamesh, but do not look at how he is depicted. Here is a link to how he was shown:

http://www.learner.org/courses/worldlit/gilgamesh/explore/slideshow.html#slideshow_1



It is clearly obvious to anyone familiar with the Biblical narrative in Genesis -- that Gilgamesh was a Nephilim. Look at how small the lion is next to him.



Thus the account related about Gilgamesh is not related to Noah. It is a mix of Biblical things and pre-flood narrative that all knew because all of those who survived the flood were Noah's offspring and all knew the same accounts about their Grand (g.g.g). - parents and the world before the flood.

Answer 4

The Epic of Gilgamesh was written by Cain or his descendants or people that he taught. God wrote His plan in the stars and Cain knew the plan, but Cain did not understand the plan. When he was kicked out of Eden, he taught what he knew of God's plan without understanding. Cain lived a long time and influenced many people.



"Sargon The Magnificent" is an interesting read on the subject of Cain's teachings http://s-studies.0catch.com/DocRob/sargon/sargon001.htm



The fact that God wrote His plan in the stars and many people tried to teach what they interpreted His plan to be, instead of letting Him lead and fulfill His plan through Jesus Christ, (John 3:14-21 KJV, 2 Peter 3:9 KJV), is also brought out in Genesis 11:4 KJV.



From The Companion Bible King James Version - side column notes 4. "may reach". No Ellipsis here. Hebrew "and its top with the heavens", i.e. with the Zodiac depicted on it, as in ancient temples of Denderah and Esneh in Egypt.



"The Witness of The Stars" - printable downloadable file - E. W. Bullinger http://levendwater.org/books/witness/the_witness_of_the_stars_bullinger.pdf



The Glory of The Stars" - E. Raymond Capt https://youtu.be/DBWC1GBzslg



Also - did the older story include Noah getting drunk? Or the vineyard planted there?



http://www.science20.com/news_articles/wine_4100_bc_worlds_oldest_winery_discovered



Genesis 9:20 KJV And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: 21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

Answer 5

So when did The Epic of Gilgamesh happen? I starred this question hoping someone would answer that pertinent fact. It's difficult to answer this with precision without those facts.

Answer 6

There are certainly similarities between the two stories...

but just as certainly they are not the **same** story. Certainly the Biblical story of Noah's Ark is NOT "the Epic of Gilgamesh retold". If you believe that it is, then I conclude that you have not actually read one or both of those stories.

Answer 7

No. The Epic of Gilgamesh predates the Torah by about 1500 years. Western European civilization was built by using the knowledge and wisdom of other cultures, which isn't taught in history class, because whites would die before they have anyone believe that they are the first in everything.

Answer 8

Stopping believing what you read on the internet.



Those who claim the Bible plagiarized from the Epic of Gilgamesh have most likely never read the Bible or the Epic of Gilgamesh. They have simply bought into a lie from the internet.

Answer 9

No, the Epic of Gilgamesh (as well as many other global-flood stories) help establish that there was in fact a global flood, just like the Bible says.

Answer 10

The confusion about which came first, the Gilgamesh Epic or the Bible, centers on which dating method you use and your worldview. The Egyptian chronology is littered with problems as to accuracy.



If you've studied the history, rather than simply read about it, you already know that Ptolomy II commissioned a priest named Manetho to compile a history of Egypt. You should know that Manatho's chronology is known to be inaccurate. Moses has finally been found in the 12th Dynasty, for example, rather than the 18th where they were looking, and knew the Bible to be in error before. Because Manetho’s history contradicts actual Egyptian records from the time of the pharaohs, historians should not consider Manetho’s history authoritative.



Perhaps the proto-Hebrew texts dating back to the 11th century BC? That and other evidence suggest the Bible was written as events were happening since the Davidic period... Those same texts explicitly refer to the Books of Moses pushing the books of Moses back to 1450 BC.



Parallel historical accounts are found in more than 500 civilizations around the world, many with no clear connection. Independent from the Bible, Noah's grandson Kush is specifically named as a post flood king in the Sumerian Kings list.



Then you have non-textual physical lines of evidence indicating a global event about the time (based on genealogies) that are consistent with the flood or the likely aftermath.



While a study of the Sumerian list is a fascinating journey in discovering the way Sumerians looked upon their ancestry and how their numeric and commercial systems worked, the quality of the biblical text is distinctly superior in both completeness, information, and spiritual and moral quality. The biblical text does not reflect a borrowing from an inferior text. If anything, the very mention of this kings list that matches so closely to the biblical account is a confirmation of biblical authenticity.



The Near Middle Eastern Flood epics have three main versions: the Sumerian Epic of Ziusudra, the Akkadian Atrahasis Epic, and the Babylonian Gilgamesh Epic. The Gilgamesh Epic is the most complete with 12 tablets decipherable and the eleventh tablet with the most complete flood account of the three versions. These flood epics reveal many internal inconsistencies, which rule them out from being the source of the Genesis text.



As to similarities with Gilgamesh and the Bible other than a flood (local in the epic) and a boat (small in the epic) there really aren't any! There are far more similarities in the Sumerian Eridu, Atra-hasis and the Shuruppak than in the Epic of Gilgamesh.



Actually the Epic of Gilgamesh dates to about 1050 BC.. References to the Books Moses wrote date to the same period about 1000 BC indicating first there were indeed texts written by Moses, and that those texts were known and fairly widely distributed by that time. If we examine the Genealogies we find that those texts by Moses had to be written no later than 1450 BC a full 400 years before the Epic of Gilgamesh.



It is not difficult to rule out the Ancient Near Eastern mythological texts from being the source of influence for the account of Genesis. While Genesis is reliable, they are not.



Foolish men have been attempting to take apart or add to the Bible for millennia, yet it still stands, unchanged truth, more verified by time. By now, we should "know" what the Bible says. Of the top ten Hebrew departments in major cities around the world, there is no debate over what Genesis 1-11 of the Bible "says." Young Earth, literal six day creation. All agree, the narratives of the Creation event and Noah's Flood in Genesis are both literal events of history, documented in technicolor.



Is the Bible a copy from Paganism

http://plottingeoe.com/blog/is-the-bible-a-copy-from-paganism



Can we believe what the Bible says?

http://plottingeoe.com/blog/can-we-really-believe-what-the-bible-says



Seven Evidences for a Young Earth

http://plottingeoe.com/blog/seven-evidences-for-a-young-earth



Is Noah's Ark a Fairytale?

Why don't Christian fundamentalist just give and admit that Noah the Ark is just a made up fairytale?

http://plottingeoe.com/blog/is-noah-s-ark-a-fairytale



Dating the Bible w Egypt pyramids and Gilgamesh (also ice cores)

Did The Biblical Flood Happen?

http://plottingeoe.com/blog/did-the-biblical-flood-happen



Geology of Grand Canyon & Noah's Flood

In what ways do you justify that the Earth is some 6000 years old?

http://plottingeoe.com/blog/geology-of-grand-canyon-noah-s-flood



How many years ago was Noah's flood? 4,400 year ago, or 5,000 year ago?

https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20160311171338AA8ido3&page=2



"The evidence is all around you. Our entire world is the work of God" - Is this good evidence for Christianity?

What will determine that you know this … or not?

http://plottingeoe.com/blog/what-will-determine-that-you-know-this



Addendum of Evidence in the Bible

http://plottingeoe.com/blog/addendum-of-evidence

Answer 11

Don't be silly.



Gilgamesh was written in old sanskrit and there is no evidence of such people (or technology) ever existing in archeology.



Noahs Ark is retold different in the three Abrahamic faiths.

Answer 12

There are lots of world wide flood legends throughout the world. How do you know the biblical account is not the correct one, and the others are simply corrupted repeats? Answer: you don't.

Answer 13

not so sure if 'lives on' would be the exact description, but it is certainly common enough for different but related cultures to borrow various thematic elements from each other, in their stories, religions, traditions, etc.

Answer 14

Yes, there are parallels.

But there is no certain indication which produced the other, if in fact that did happen.

To say the Biblical account was "taken from Sumerian lore" is an ungrounded assumption.

Answer 15

The "Epic of Gilgamesh" is simply one of dozens of ancient literary affirmations that the Bible's account of the flood is true. And if the flood is true, then the Bible is true. And if the Bible is true, everyone needs to get on their knees and repent because we are today re-entering the "days of Noah" in terms of the behavior that brought about God's judgment upon mankind.



"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." (Mathew 24:37)



From the book, "The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible" ...



The Epic of Gilgamesh



A broken tablet, dated to the fourteenth century BC, is a fragment of the Mesopotamian flood story known as the Epic of Gilgamesh. This piece was discovered at Megiddo in the 1950s, and is part of a much older tradition that began in 2600 BC. Fragments of 12 tablets have been recovered at various sites spanning different time periods including neo-Assyrian king Ashurbanipal s (668-627 BC) library at Nineveh, which was destroyed in 612 BC. The extreme popularity of the epic is evident from its wide geographic exposure in lands such as Asia Minor (Anatolia), the Neo-Assyrian Empire, and Babylonia, as well as its translation into Hittite, Hurrian, and Babylonian cuneiform languages.



The Gilgamesh flood tradition emerged from the Sumerian literature tradition of myth and legend (third millennium BC), though most scholars are convinced that Gilgamesh (king of the Sumerian city of Uruk/Erech) was a historical person, as attested in other early documents. Eventually, Gilgamesh's search for immortality and special standing as a god led to his popularity among Mesopotamian readers. As George Smith of the British Museum began translation of the texts in the late nineteenth century, he discovered a story line of a great flood that highly resembled at many points the biblical account of Noah's Flood recorded in the book of Genesis. For example, tablet XI of the epic says the gods were displeased with humans; a god (Ea) warns Utnapishtim (the Babylonian "Noah") to build a square ship with pitch inside and out and to bring animals and family aboard; a weeklong deluge ensues; all of humanity is killed in the flood except the inhabitants of the boat; the boat came to rest on Mount Nisir in Kurdistan; the waters subsided and dry land emerged; the last of three birds sent out did not return; Utnapishtim offers sacrifices to the gods; the gods are saddened; and they grant Utnapishtim divine immortality.



Considering Noah and the Flood to be myth comes from an overemphasis on surface similarities between mythical and biblical accounts and the neglect of identifying the significant differences. These similarities do not demonstrate dependency but rather indicate both accounts share a common historical event. The earlier accounts are written in a highly mythical manner, whereas the later Genesis account is written in a historical, nonmythical style that indicates the later Genesis account is not dependent upon earlier Mesopotamian accounts. Near-Eastern experts have shown that myth never becomes more historical and simpler over time.



The Old Testament considers Noah and the Flood historical, indicated by the use of biblical words such as Noah's "history," "generation," and "genealogy," and even "nations" that came from him (Genesis 6:9; 10:1-11; 1 Chronicles 1:3-4; Isaiah 54:9; Ezeldel 14:14,20).



The New Testament considers both Noah and the Flood historical (Matthew 24:37-38; Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20; 2 Peter 2:5; 3:5-15).



Scientific evidence gained from aquatic and nonpolar life, as well as geological evidence, demonstrates the earth was previously covered with water.



The presence of over two dozen literary works (for example, the Gilgamesh Epic, the Atrahasis Epic, and so on) and archaeological finds (for example, the Sumerian Kings List) mentioning the great Flood, from various people-groups (Chinese, Hindus, Indians, Mexicans, Hebrews, Greeks, Hawaiians, Mesopotamians, and so on) attests to the historicity of the Flood account in Genesis.

Answer 16

Usuud

Answer 17

It wasn't taken from Sumerian lore dear, the flood is a part of history.

Answer 18

No. It became altered throughout history, the author of the Genesis retold it.

Answer 19

It's promoted by ship builders of all creeds.

Answer 20

If a catastrophic event happened and many people wrote about it, who owns the story?



Hello?

Answer 21

Would Chunky-dunky be an appropriate term for describing a huge piece of baloney?

Answer 22

Yes.

Answer 23

Not really. The theolgy of Enûma Eliš, is not that of the Bible.



Those who do know are unimpressed with your thesis.

Answer 24

Check these links out then decide.



http://www.ufosarereal.simplesite.com



https://prophecywatchers.com/videos/l-marzulli-biblical-seed-war Marzulli and Genetics

Answer 25

ever try studying a subject before showing your ignorance of said subject?

Answer 26

there are over 240 ancient accounts of a worldwide flood from every ancient culture.

Answer 27

How can we believe that God brought the Flood to punish mankind for his evil sins - if God is a spiritual being, he would never have needed to use a Flood. The Flood is a prime example of how an actual physical event can be disguised by a heavy emphasis on monotheistic symbolism.



The story can be gleaned from ancient texts which pre-date the Bible. These are found in clay tablets from the excavation of Mesopotamia and brings to light the amazingly advanced civilization of Sumer.



From almost every culture around the world there emerge more than five hundred strikingly similar legends of a great Flood. These legends all share a common theme - of mankind being swept away with the exception of one man and his family who survived. The West generally knows the survivor’s name as Noah, but to the Aztecs he was Nene, whilst in the Near East he was Atra-Hasis, Utnapishtim or Ziusudra.



The Atra-Hasis epic clarifies the role of the Biblical “God” as “they” rather than “He”. Furthermore, this account, inscribed in detail on tablets states that “they” did not bring it about deliberately. Instead, it was resolved in the council of the gods that the coming Flood, which the gods were powerless to prevent, should be kept secret from mankind.



The roles of the gods (the Annunaki or Nefilim or “descended from heaven to earth”) in the Mesopotamian Flood stories are Enlil, the Biblical “Lord” to whom mankind has become a nuisance, wishes to see them destroyed. His brother Enki, who was personally involved in the creation of the first Adam , is sympathetic towards man and habitually antagonistic towards Enlil. Despite being pressurized into taking an oath of secrecy, Enki decides to warn one loyal follower and his family of the coming deluge. The chosen man is a priest from the city of Shuruppak (the city of Enki’s sister Ninharsag), whose name in the Akkadian language is Atra-Hasis, meaning “Exceedingly Wise”. It is worth noting that exactly the same meaning is applied to the hero Utnapishtim in the Flood account of The Epic of Gilgamesh.



The god Enki, also known as Ea. speaks to Atra-Hasis from behind a reed screen, a detail which is also found in the original Sumerian text, where the hero is named ZI.U.SUD.RA. Detailed instructions are given by Ea for the construction of a submersible ship. The Epic of Gilgamesh provides a dramatic and vivid account of the final preparations, when the hero is told to watch for the departure of the gods themselves.



The Sumerian scribes state repeatedly, that the Flood was caused in 11000 BC by Nibiru the planet from which the “gods” came to Earth. The Earth’s waters would have been pulled to one side by gravitational attraction, causing an enormous bulge towards Nibiru as it passed Earth during the encounter.

Answer 28

Try reading the bible yourself first.

Answer 29

Those were two completely different stories! Except for, you know, the bit where exactly the same things happened in both.

Answer 30

Too bad most people don't realize the "Noah was taken from Sumerian lore" thing is a myth.



"Sorry, that's not true.jesus loves it when you lie!"

- Sure, cuz CFour says so.

Answer 31

Two stories having similar content can also mean that they were both based on a real event.

Answer 32

its, not it's. Please learn proper grammar before you post your next question. Thanks in advance!

Answer 33

all of the bible is essentially repackaged mythology from earlier eras