Atheists, I wanna see you NOT try to avoid this question?

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2011-09-01 00:15:26 UTC

Why do you make such silly claims for a work of fiction?

The bible is what is called "Faction" A fictional story set in a factual time and place. Thus the time, place and real historical characters are all correct but the fictional characters and stories are not!

There is not one single mention of Jesus in the entire Roman record - that is right - not one! At the same time as he was supposed to have been around there were a number of Jews claiming to be the messiah - all of whom are well recorded!

There is not a single contemporary record from any source and even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!

He was supposed to have been a huge problem to the Romans and produced wonderful miracles but still not one contemporary record?

Even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!

Pilate is recorded in the Roman record as a somewhat lack luster man but no mention of a Jesus, a trial or crucifixion that would surely have been used to make him look brighter!

At best he was an amalgam of those others but almost certainly never existed!

The Roman Emperor Constantine produced the bible and he was a pagan not god! He took the Jewish religion, organized it into Christianity and then into the Holly Roman Catholic Church!! Not in Israel or any of the countries of supposed origin but entirely ITALIAN!

Not one word of it is contemporary with the period and was not written until several hundred years after the period the story is set in!! How did the apostles write their books more than a hundred years after they would have been dead?

What a wonder full disinformation and deception campaign he waged against his Jewish enemies by turning them into his invented Christianity - so good in fact that Christians are still following the deception to this day!

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca, Roman philosopher (c. 3 BCE - 65 CE)

anonymous

2011-09-01 05:41:42 UTC

These aren't scientific facts

Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes (Hebrews 11:3). Not until the 19th century was it discovered that all visible matter consists of invisible elements.

WRONG

Here's what the passage actually says: "By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible."

It's actually saying that things are made out of the word of God, which cannot be seen. Nothing to do with elementary particles.

Secondly, it's a concept that has been around for a long time - the word atom comes from the ancient Greeks, because they postulated that everything was made up of very small particles you couldn't see (atom means "no cut", which in turn means "that which you can't cut any further)

"Oceans contain springs (Job 38:16). The ocean is very deep. Almost all the ocean floor is in total darkness and the pressure there is enormous. It would have been impossible for Job to have explored the "springs of the sea." "

But smaller bodies of water and shallow parts of the oceans have springs - pretty reasonable assumption to make. Plus, in that passage, God is asking Job if he HAS seen them.

"There are mountains on the bottom of the ocean floor (Jonah 2:5-6). Only in the last century have we discovered that there are towering mountains and deep trenches in the depths of the sea"

Again, that's not what the passage says. It says the ROOTS of the mountains are under the sea. Basically implying that mountains are like trees, and have roots that extend underground and into the sea - which WAS a common belief back then. Also wrong.

"Our bodies are made from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7; 3:19). Scientists have discovered that the human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements – all of which are found in the earth"

Yes, and the reason for that (if you actually went to a biology and/or ecology class) is that a major component of soil is the decomposed remains of living organisms. So it's actually the other way around - dirt is made from us :P

"Chicken or egg dilemma solved (Genesis 1:20-22). Which came first, the chicken or the egg? This question has plagued philosophers for centuries. The Bible states that God created birds with the ability to reproduce after their kind. Therefore the chicken was created first with the ability to make eggs! Yet, evolution has no solution for this dilemma"

It's not a dilemma - the question itself is nonsensical, because it implies we have to label a single individual in the chicken's lineage as "the first chicken". Each generation is very slightly different from the one before it, so any line you draw is going to be arbitrary. But go back far enough and you'll see ancestors of the chicken that are vastly different. HOWEVER - they were all laying eggs :P Just like other species of bird and reptiles do today.

"The earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22). At a time when many thought the earth was flat, the Bible told us that the earth is spherical. Never in the bible does it say the earth is FLAT"

What? Seriously? Why don't you actually READ the bible? It clearly says "circle", not "sphere". It also says "He sits ABOVE it" - there is no "above" the earth, because up and down is relative. Plus, the ancient greeks all knew the earth was a sphere - it's actually not a hard thing to work out when you observe the stars properly. The idea that everyone once thought the earth was flat is a myth

"Light can be divided (Job 38:24). Sir Isaac Newton studied light and discovered that white light is made of seven colors, which can be “parted” and then recombined. Science confirmed this four centuries ago – God declared this four millennia ago"

It doesn't say "divided", it says "parted". But at any rate, it doesn't go into any detail about the light dividing into different colours, so you have no idea what that passage means. If you stand in a forest and see the suns light splitting into different rays through tree branches and leaves, you might call that "parting". That's something you can clearly see with your own eyes - it's not a major scientific discovery

Alicia

2011-09-01 05:38:57 UTC

Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes. - People thought stuff like this for a long time, whether it was Democritus of the greeks or other people who believed matter was made of elements. It's not unique.

Oceans contain springs (Job 38:16). - There are springs on the ground, where lakes and ponds come from, it would be logical to assume there are springs under the ocean where the ocean comes from.

There are mountains on the bottom of the ocean floor - There are mountains on land, why couldn't there be mountains on the ocean?

Our bodies are made from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7; 3:19). There are only so many elements in this world, it's not exactly a huge coincidence. The same materials found on the Earth are also found elsewhere in the universe.

Chicken or egg dilemma solved (Genesis 1:20-22). Which came first, the chicken or the egg? - Does it matter?

The earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22). At a time when many thought the earth was flat, the Bible told us that the earth is spherical. Never in the bible does it say the earth is FLAT. - There is evidence for this, for example, the curved shadow cast on the moon by the Earth. Explained by science by people long ago.

Light can be divided (Job 38:24). - That's not even the way it was said in the bible.

And just because the bible has some correct stuff doesn't mean it's all true. There was also correct stuff in ancient greek mythology, but does that mean that's true?

anonymous

2011-09-01 06:13:38 UTC

“Not until the 19th century was it discovered that all visible matter consists of invisible elements.”

That’s a lie. Empendocles, circa 400 BCE, knew that air was made of particles.

“It would have been impossible for Job to have explored the "springs of the sea."”

That’s another lie. The ancient Phoenicians knew of ocean springs as far back as 2,000 BCE.

“Only in the last century have we discovered that there are towering mountains and deep trenches in the depths of the sea.”

Yet another lie. The Minoans knew about mountains in the sea – they lived on one as far back as 5,000 BCE!

“Our bodies are made from the dust of the ground.”

Well, another lie. There is no place on earth that has all the elements in the right ratio to make a human out of a handful of dust. Besides that, it would be mud, not dust.

“The earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22). At a time when many thought the earth was flat, the Bible told us that the earth is spherical.”

Another lie. Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth. A circle is a flat. Isaiah knew what a sphere was: Isaiah 22:18 “He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball…” It is obvious that he thought the earth was flat.

“Light can be divided (Job 38:24).”

That is a misinterpretation of the verse. The verse ponders where the morning light comes from, not its constituents.

There is no science in the Bible. You would know if that if you were more concerned with truth than you are with justifying your irrational beliefs!

Slap Happy

2011-09-01 05:54:20 UTC

1) That isn't quite what Heb 11:3 says. Even if it was the idea of atomism is still older and was proposed by the 5th century BC Greeks Leucippus and his pupil Democritus

Look, the rest of these are equally stupid.

I mean look at Jonah, any fool can see that mountains turn into islands as you go into the ocean.

It was just that we didn't know exactly how shallow our oceans are until recently.

Again Job 38:24 says nothing at all about the division of light.

Isaiah does not say the earth is a ball like sphere. He says it is a plate like circle.

The Hebrew words used a very clear.

And all this means is that whoever wrote the stuff you posted as a question is a bald faced liar.

mia delight

2011-09-01 05:55:00 UTC

I cant believe some of these statements, I don't know what your source is but the person who wrote this is a simpleton.

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear ....

How do you get creation is made of particles.

Job 38:16

Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? - The word here rendered "springs" (נבך nêbek), occurs nowhere else in the Scriptures. It is rendered by the Vulgate "profunda," the deep parts; and by the Septuagint πηγὴν pēgēn - "fountains." The reference seems to be to the deep fountains at the bottom of the sea, which were supposed to supply it with water. A large portion of the water of the ocean is indeed conveyed to it by rivers and streams that run on the surface of the earth. But it is known, also, that there are fountains at the bottom of the ocean, and in some places the amount of water that flows from them is so great, that its action is perceptible at the surface. One such fountain exists in the Atlantic ocean near the coast of Florida

I could go on you get the picture look these things up for yourself. Please don't ever say that the chicken and egg dilemma is baffling scientist it just makes you look silly.

anonymous

2011-09-01 05:42:24 UTC

Yeah... it's teh bestest science book ever... however...

It is sentimental speculation and replacement theology at its finest lacking any meaningful philosophy that was had by the Judaism that reputedly spawned it.

AND, it's filled with lotsa ignorant mistakes:

Bats are not birds.

Rabbits do not chew their own cud.

Rabbits do not have hoofs.

Pi does not equal 3.

The Earth is not a circle.

The earth is not flat.

The cure for leprosy is not rubbing birds blood all over a person.

Snakes can't talk.

Donkeys can't talk.

People can't float to the sky.

Etc

How could you possibly devise a science course around such nonsense?

“Religion deserves no more respect than a sports team or a favourite food.”

~

?

2011-09-01 06:56:10 UTC

"facts" is hardly true

views/opinions and possiblites is more like it

and why, cos people have them, they put their own knowledge and experience into the book, they did have some scientific knowledge back then, no one says they didnt, but they just didnt know what we know now

if they did, do you not think the bible would be very different?

they worked with the info they had, it wasnt correct, but some of it was good guesses, which is not difficult to do if you know a little bit about science

im a complete layman and even ive guessed soem scientific things and got them right

if i can do it, im sure some 'goat hearders' can too

but none of that means the bible is all fact, or that a god exists, or that its the christian god

anonymous

2011-09-01 05:31:02 UTC

I must assume that you are a poe, or a newbie. I strongly suggest you to look at the freethinkers, and watch the video below.

You know nothing about science. The ancient greeks knew the earth was round, and in some cases the Bible can appear to tell us that the earth is flat (i.e. Four corners of the earth). You know nothing about the true reason for rainbows. You are under a delusional spell- and need help. Please, for the sake of yourself and the whole of the human species, watch the video below. I beg of you.

Guess who's going to Hell?

2011-09-01 11:18:01 UTC

You can dishonestly and retrospectively fit Bible passages to science discoveries if you like, but some of us would rather not lie like that. If what you say is true then the Bible would have been our wellspring of scientific knowledge, but it hasn't ever been that. In fact the authority that controlled the Bible (the Church) has historically been against scientific discoveries as they conflict with their preferred imaginations.

Defending religion will make you dishonest. Look what it's done to you already.

anonymous

2011-09-01 05:37:37 UTC

"Never in the bible does it say the earth is FLAT"

But it implies it in Revelations 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."

Also according to the bible the earth is only about 6,000 years old when it's much older soo...

Captain Sarcastic

2011-09-01 05:29:36 UTC

I can only assume this question was a joke, because that was at least as ridiculous as the similar claims I have seen from Muslims about the Quran.

None of that was even close to scientific fact, and I'm surprised the contortions of trying to rationalize that nonsense didn't put your back out.

Muppets

2011-09-01 05:35:45 UTC

If all that was in there why did it take so long for people to discover theses things. You are trying very hard to construe meanings to theses dubiously translated words after the fact

?

2011-09-01 05:29:05 UTC

Doesn't prove the other crap.

"Yet, evolution has no solution for this dilemma."

It's called the "proto-chicken"

A bird that is similar to a chicken,but not quite.Plus,eggs have been around for millions of years.

Unforgiven

2011-09-01 05:42:18 UTC

... You don't need any scientific methods or practice to know that you drown in deep water, LMFAO...

Kay, Please show me where in the bible it says how to create an engine which has 120,000 lb tons of thrust...

Bastion 「A」

2011-09-01 15:50:41 UTC

This is called apologetics. Muslims have done it with the Qu'ran too.

anonymous

2011-09-01 05:33:42 UTC

It also contains information about unicorns and fire-breathing leviathans.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

anonymous

2011-09-01 05:30:57 UTC

if there are so many scientific facts in the bible then why do theists hate science so much?

Screwdriverz

2011-09-01 05:40:08 UTC

None of this even HINTS that GAWDIDDIT.

Frizby

2011-09-01 05:33:38 UTC

Most atheists are ignorant at least 90%, they wont believe these facts you've presented..

Keep up the good work..

Peter File

2011-09-01 05:29:58 UTC

(No one cares!)

?

2011-09-01 05:29:40 UTC

God is awesome :D