Question:
Question about the Chosen Ones (Israelites) and Supersessionism?
Sparrow
2012-02-17 06:58:06 UTC
Deuteronomy 7:6 states to Israel - 6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

Is Deuteronomy stating that the Israelites are the true chosen people and favored by God?

Supersessionism – (I’m told) means that Israel rejected God and now the church are God’s people. Supposedly we’ve entered a covenant with God to do his will and go to heaven. Hence, The New Covenant with God and renewing the covenant with God that I see happening at either Christmas or Easter depending on which denomination we visit. Sometimes during communion and baptism as well.

So now, does this mean the Israelites are no longer favored by God and now through the new covenant non Israelites are now favored by God?

Who came up with Superseessionism and who made the determination that the Israelites are no longer with God? If they are the true chosen ones then how is what we do and how we worship going to make a difference?

Supersessionism does not sound logical to me or make that much sense because I’m sure I’m uneducated on the whole thing. Can someone explain to me more of what this is so I can try to understand and make some sense of it?
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homechrch
2012-02-17 07:33:11 UTC
This is a very good question and well done for bringing this matter up.



Yes Supercessionism, otherwise known as Replacement Theology, came in with Augustine, actually. It basically says that the Church has replaced Israel in the scheme of things. Now - it says - the Church are the people of God and chosen, and Israel is just a people like any other people.



Not true. (Ro 11:29) 'For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance'.



Now, read that passage in its context, and you will see Paul is not talking about the gifts of the Spirit, he is talking about Israel, and her election. And he is saying that God has not taken back his choosing of Israel. See, it is here again in the previous verse:



Ro 11:28 '... as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes'.



Also, when you look at 'the cutting of the covenant', when God made a covenant with Abraham and passed between the sacrifices (Gen.15:17), it was a one-sided covenant, because Abraham was in a sleep, so only God passed between the sacrifices. That means that it was only up to God to keep the covenant (a covenant to bless his people and give them the land). It was therefore a covenant without conditions as far as Abraham (and his people) were concerned, but not as far as God was concerned. Therefore, that covenant still stands - to bless Abraham and his children (through the seed of Isaac) for no man could annul it.



So, what you have read in Deuteronomy is right, the Jews are still chosen, the elect people of God. But what has happened is that there is come, since Pentecost, another elect and chosen people (this time spiritual, as the Jews are God's natural people), which has largely come out of believing Gentiles. God has never cast the Jewish people off - though, for sure, they have suffered much - but now he has added to that favoured people another people, which is the community of the redeemed, the Church.



If you read the book of Acts, you will see that Paul always went first to the synagogues on his missionary journeys, he always preached 'to the Jew first'. After a while, the Jews dogging him and baiting him exasperated him, and you see towards the end of Acts that he declares he will go henceforth to the Gentiles. But, annoying as Jews can be, they have by no means exasperated God! And he has not cast them off - read Roms. 11:1.



Also, if you study the Bible - particularly the prophets, you will see that it is not true that the Jews are a people with no special future. According to Bible prophecy, there is very much yet to happen to the Jewish people in the End Times.



Read the Book of Revelation too. You cannot understand it because you have missed the Jews out. It is a very Jewish book, just like Daniel is. Can you find the Jews in there? Yes, they are the 144,000 JEWISH evangelists (ch.7), the two Prophets (ch.11) and the woman 'robed with the sun' in ch.12. What do you think?
JORGE N
2012-02-17 07:04:16 UTC
Their story is one of man being pulled out of the darkeness and having to do extreme things to do so. Like take one tribe of people and make them lead the way. God may be working with man in the same way and who knows who he has blessed now to continue the work. Man is not free of darkness yet. He still has a long way to go.
2012-02-17 06:59:53 UTC
Supersessionism does not sound logical to me or make that much sense because I’m sure I’m uneducated on the whole thing.
2012-02-17 07:00:27 UTC
Read Hebrews 8.
2012-02-17 07:07:38 UTC
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.



(Galatians 3:28-29)
MooRHEahs
2012-02-17 07:21:24 UTC
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Zena IC XC NIKA
2012-02-17 07:00:08 UTC
There is NONE good among you JESUS



There is No Jew or Greek Among you .> We are One in Christ ( BIBLE)



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Kyrie Eleison
aparo
2016-09-09 10:59:57 UTC
No! We shield Israel becauuse of a lie. Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will elevate up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; Act three:22 For Moses real mentioned unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God elevate up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye listen in all matters whatever he shall say unto you. Act three:23 And it shall come to go, that each soul, with the intention to now not listen that prophet, will probably be destroyed from a number of the folks. Act three:24 Yea, and all of the prophets from Samuel and those who comply with after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of at the present time. Act three:25 Ye are the kids of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, announcing unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all of the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Act three:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, despatched him to bless you, in turning away each certainly one of you from his iniquities. Jer 31:31 Behold, the times come, saith the LORD, that I will make a brand new covenant with the residence of Israel, and with the residence of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not in step with the covenant that I made with their fathers within the day that I took them via the hand to deliver them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, even though I was once an husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this will probably be the covenant that I will make with the residence of Israel; After the ones days, saith the LORD, I will positioned my legislation of their inward components, and write it of their hearts; and can be their God, they usually will probably be my folks. Jer 31:34 And they shall educate not more each guy his neighbour, and each guy his brother, announcing, Know the LORD: for they shall all recognise me, from the least of them unto the finest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will recall their sin not more. Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the solar for a gentle via day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the celebs for a gentle via night time, which divideth the ocean whilst the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his title: Jer 31:36 If the ones ordinances go away from earlier than me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel additionally shall stop from being a country earlier than me for ever. Col two:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was once in opposition to us, which was once opposite to us, and took it out of the best way, nailing it to his move; Eph two:12 That at the moment ye had been with out Christ, being extraterrestrial beings from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no wish, and with out God on the planet: Eph two:thirteen But now in Christ Jesus ye who in many instances had been some distance off are made nigh via the blood of Christ. Eph two:14 For he's our peace, who hath made each one, and hath damaged down the center wall of partition among us; Eph two:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the legislation of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new guy, so making peace; Eph two:sixteen And that he would reconcile each unto God in a single frame via the move, having slain the enmity thereby: Eph two:17 And got here and preached peace to you which have been afar off, and to them that had been nigh. Eph two:18 For via him we each have entry via one Spirit unto the Father. Eph two:19 Now as a consequence ye are not more strangers and foreigners, however fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the loved ones of God; Eph two:20 And are developed upon the groundwork of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the leader nook stone; Eph two:21 In whom all of the constructing fitly framed in combination groweth unto an holy temple within the Lord: Eph two:22 In whom ye are also builded in combination for an habitation of God via the Spirit. Act eleven:26 And whilst he had discovered him, he introduced him unto Antioch. And it got here to go, that a entire 12 months they assembled themselves with the church, and taught a lot folks. And the disciples had been known as Christians first in Antioch. 1Pe two:nine But ye are a delegated iteration, a royal priesthood, an holy country, a unusual folks; that ye will have to shew forth the praises of him who hath known as you out of darkness into his marvellous mild: Col one million:thirteen Who hath added us from the vigour of darkness, and hath translated us into the dominion of his pricey Son:


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