Atheists: Why do you deny that God can be primordially complex?

Question

Why are you so indoctrinated by the school of reductionism?

If y is the whole and x is the part, you think of the whole
as an aggregate ( function) of the parts.

y = f(x)

BUT:

Has it ever occured to you that x is a derivative of y, the whole?

x = ' y

This is the view of the school of organicism which claims that things are never "simple" but complex wholes.

Look at Euler's identity:

- e ^ iπ = 1

Where e is the base of the natural logarithm, a transcendental and irrational constant that extends to infinity

and iπ is a complex number representing π on the imaginary plane.

It shows you that the number 1, that most fundamental and simple of all numbers, is actually incredibly complex.

Keith Devlin , Professor of Math at Standford says that Euler's equation "reaches down into the very depths of existence."

And so it does.

It provides irrefutable evidence tthat reality is inherently complex.

Thus, mathematically anfd logically, the One God is complex per se.

Answer 1

So to sum up in English, seemingly simple things are actually complex eh?



Funny. 'cause conversely your seemingly complex argument is kinda simple.



At the end of the day, you either believe in God or you don't. Thanks for the giggle though.

Answer 2

It is possible to mathematically prove, without a doubt or error, that Earth can be sliced up to fit inside a trouser pocket. Ever since I read that, I knew that mathematics is brilliant, but not necessarily an accurate description of reality.



Mathematics is the science that harbors the most believers, biology, the least. Biology deals with the down-and-dirty reality. Mathematics deals with the ethereal realm of numbers.



I know where my money is going.

Answer 3

Thanks for that, I've come across that approach once before, where Euler in the court of Catherine of Russia confounded Diderot with "Sir, \begin{matrix}\frac{a+b^n}{n}=x\end{matrix}, hence God exists—reply!". The story goes that Diderot was confounded and left Russia. The article in Wiki does say that the story is apocryphal, since Diderot was an accomplished mathematician himself.



I'm not convinced myself that it proves the existence of God but complexity is in the eye of the beholder. But it's certainly given me something to look up when I get some free time.

Answer 4

If the most important sin every person commits is false impression why you do what you do i'll purchase us all a round for Pascal. Now, once all of us attempt to maintain on with the golden rule, even as quickly as we evaluate we would lose Pascal's guess because "many will enter - few will win", then i imagine all of us have gained Pascal's guess. And all of you owe me a round. it really is going to take an eternity to settle this guess both way.

Answer 5

Except that you have to presuppose a god exists in the first place for no good reason and with zero evidence, all your pretty math notwithstanding.



Non-existent entities can be anything, including "primordially complex". And purple. And about the size of a Camero.

Answer 6

you can come up with mathmatical equations but these "theories" are no more valid than the evolution theory - which according to you is completely wrong



also, your supposed to rely on faith as opposed to evidence, if you want to play the evidence game then you have to be prepared to admit that your findings can be wrong.

If your equation is wrong that could count as proof of God's non existence.

just because you apply a scientific theory, it doesn't make it right.

Answer 7

Nothing you wrote proves the existence or even possibility of a god.

Answer 8

Could you derive the formula for calculating the one true God...

Answer 9

Before one tries to prove that God has characteristics and/or properties, one should prove that the object in question exists first.

Answer 10

A big argument that creationists use is that everything must have a creator. Don't say that then turn around and say that some things don't have to. You undermine your own argument.

Answer 11

How exactly does "God exists" follow from "1 is an interesting number"?



EDIT: I for one do understand the mathematics. My doctorate is in mathematical physics. *You* do not understand logic.

Answer 12

I really got lost half way through your point. Which is my point, yes humanity are stupid. We like to think that we know the answers, do we? I don't think so.

Answer 13

OK,you have an argument for "first cause".Now please Mr.Intellect,provide an argument for a specific god,a specific trait of a god,intelligence of a god,awareness of a god.You have done zero(0)to prove anything.Thanks for playing

Answer 14

I don't deny that god is or isn't anything except that he's provided any objective evidence for his existence whatsoever.

Answer 15

I think you're the one who's in denial. Atheists do not "deny" anything; your premise is false to start with.

Answer 16

I know Odin is complex, what are you trying to prove?

Answer 17

God is meant for mass consumption... not for the scientifically oriented masses... You have to explain God the Mafia way!



GOD THE FATHER PROFILE…

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (NIV) If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." THEN ALL THE MEN OF HIS TOWN SHALL STONE HIM TO DEATH* (*the old perverts were just waiting there for the next child to be stoned to death!). You must purge the evil from among you. ALL ISRAEL WILL HEAR OF IT AND BE AFRAID.* (*It works all the time! Have your unruly child stoned to death in full public view and everybody else will learn to stay in line!)



GOD THE SON JESUS CHRIST PROFILE…

Revelation 2:23 (NIV) (Jesus says) I WILL STRIKE HER CHILDREN DEAD* (*Jesus Christ himself is the one having the pleasure of doing the killing of children so he can teach everybody a lesson!). Then ALL THE CHURCHES WILL KNOW that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.



Luke 19:27 (NIV) (Jesus is very excited telling this story!) But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.



Control by fear is deeply rooted in God’s “Plan of Salvation”… So if you got saved GOOD FOR YOU!!! Make sure that you pay your FULL tithes and offering on time or God the Holy Ghost will zap you on the spot and the church people will give you a decent Christian burial without telling anybody in your family. This is New Testament killing of Christians “after Jesus did away with the LAW of the Old Testament! You can’t test God the Holy Ghost a.k.a. “The Comforter” he is very touchy… Saint Paul says that many Christians get sick because of it. So if you get sick it may be that you lag behind in paying your dues to the Church!



GOD THE HOLY GHOST PROFILE…

Act 5:9-11 (NIV) Peter said to her, “How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord?* (*by not paying the FULL tithe and offering) Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door* (*in a Christian burial nobody notifies the death event to any spouse or relative! Have you noticed how bloody cool is Saint Peter about tithing?) and they will carry you out also.” At that moment SHE FELL DOWN AT HIS FEET AND DIED. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. GREAT FEAR SEIZED THE WHOLE CHURCH AND ALL WHO HEARD ABOUT THESE EVENTS* (*yeah… it works all the time! Just have somebody killed and the rest will learn! It’s the Bible way! Too bad CNN was not there to report!).



Any member of God the Holy Trinity team puts to shame any mobster intimidating and killing anybody without mercy just to get your attention! And lastly, but not the least different…



THE CLERGY PROFILE…

Deuteronomy 17:12-13 (NIV) The man who shows contempt for the judge or for the PRIEST who stands ministering there to the Lord your God MUST BE PUT TO DEATH* (*Amen! Praise the LORD!). You must purge the evil from Israel. ALL THE PEOPLE WILL HEAR AND BE AFRAID, AND WILL NOT BE CONTEMPTUOUS AGAIN.



Luke 16:17 (NIV) (Jesus said) It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.



Jesus said that HE DIDN’T COME TO CHANGE THE LAW!!! But the clergy says that “Jesus fulfilled the Law” whatever that means and that the Old Testament is no longer valid!!! SHAME ON JESUS FOR LYING…!!! Christians would much rather listen to the clergy!



Nothing promotes religion better than the story of a few killings and some coercion to keep the Christian population UNDER A SMILEY CLERGY CONTROL! Believe it or not, most Christians honestly believe that because they are still alive God must love them! So that is why they don’t pay much attention to any of the above. Today we have Clergy led Christians promoting the Bible to make it the Law of the Land! Not even the NAZIS were that bad!

Answer 18

I don't need any of that there citified book-learning. I just KNOW there ain't no god.

Answer 19

Blah blah blah blah, blah blah balh... You are sooo right... I agree with your Blah Blah.





Seriously though, I reject your premise ( that a god exists that you could explain it's compexity), it's simple, "There ain'tno god"

Answer 20

My brain hurts!

Answer 21

"Here is some math.

Therefore, God exists."



Cute. But which god?

Answer 22

complex or not complex god`s still imaginary

Answer 23

You can use math, history anything you want. There is no god.

Answer 24

Geez,don't you all ever get tired of trying to prove your load of crap to us atheists?



We're not buying it.