Question:
How are Christians able to deny scientific facts?
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:02:45 UTC
With all the data we've produced regarding things like evolution, the big bang, etc., how can Christians continue to deny these facts? It's fine if you want to believe in a god, but we live in the real world- a world that's defined by the scientific method.
45 answers:
Angela Q
2009-03-06 12:12:19 UTC
Some Christians believe that God created all sorts of scientific phenomena to test their faith.



I had a discussion with a Christian last week who was totally into disproving evolution. Basically he knew nothing about science or the scientific method. The only things he knew were from the literature they had given to him to study. The arguments were pretty pathetic. They were only intended for a person who had no background in science to put doubt in the mind of another person with no background in science.



Not a single person arguing in favor of religion on this thread understands what a scientific theory is. Hint: the phrase "only a theory" has nothing to do with science. A scientific hypothesis does not become elevated to a "theory" until it is so well supported by research that is essentially true.



Thumbs down for telling that true story, eh? I guess I was supposed to lie about it and change what really happened. ∠°)
badgirlzhvmorfun
2009-03-06 12:32:54 UTC
Why are you generalizing that all Christians think the same thing? I am a Christian and I don't ever deny scientific facts. Just because I believe the bible doesn't mean that my mind can't think beyond what is contained or not contained in the bible. If you read the bible and really UNDERSTOOD it then you would know that most of what you understand right now are misconceptions.



I find it hypocritical to say that Christians are robots who believe anything or that we are "idiots" when clearly you have not even read the bible and yet claim to know that it doesn't contain information that I know it does because I am actually reading it.
imacatholic2
2009-03-06 12:11:35 UTC
Please do not assume that all Christians are Creationists. Most Christians accept Evolution.



Most Christians do not take the stories of creation in the Bible literally. Catholics believe the book of Genesis tells religious truth and not necessarily historical or scientific fact.



Some of the religious truths are that God:

+ Created everything

+ Created humanity is His (or Her) likeness and image

+ Declared all of Creation was good



Catholics can believe in the theories of the big bang or evolution or both or neither.



On August 12, 1950 Pope Pius XII said in his encyclical Humani generis:



The Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter - for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God.



Here is the complete encyclical: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_12081950_humani-generis_en.html



And here is the Address of Pope John Paul II to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences on October 22, 1996 speaking of the Theory of Evolution: http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm



Here is an interesting article about Pope John Paul II's opinion in the matter: http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=4627



The Church supports science in the discovery of God's creation. At this time, the theories of the big bang and evolution are the most logical scientific explanations. However tomorrow someone may come up with better ideas.



As long as we believe that God started the whole thing, both the Bible and responsible modern science can live in harmony.



The Clergy Letter Project an open letter endorsing the Theory of Evolution signed by over 10,000 clergy from many different Christian denominations: http://www.butler.edu/clergyproject/



By the way, Georges Lemaître (1894–1966), a Belgian Catholic priest and professor of physics and astronomy, proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre



With love in Christ.
His Boy, Sherman
2009-03-06 12:21:18 UTC
Harvard biologist and leading evolutionary Darwinist Stephen Jay Gould wrote -- in "Rocks of Ages" -- about the half that half or more of the scientists he knew were Christians. Gould wrote, "Either half of my colleagues are extremely stupid, or else the science of Darwinism is fully compatible with conventional religious beliefs."

The fact that America's leading evolutionary biologist made such a statement outrages most atheists, but few scientists. The twisting and perversion of science into "scientism" is a scandal and and embarrassment to the scientific community. Scientists like Dennett and Dawkins, while technically complex, are philosophically shallow, having turned the "search for knowledge" into a scleroticized, fundamentalist ideology, as irrational and closed-minded as any religious or political fundamentalism the world has seen. Harvard astronomer Owen Gingerich wrote in 2006 that "the universe has been created with intention and purpose, and this belief does not interfere with the scientific enterprise."

While biologists like Dawkins may have a good grasp of biology, their grasp of physics and philosophy (especially philosophy of science) of history and sociology, is scandalously shallow.
Rachel <3
2009-03-06 12:14:50 UTC
There is no need to guess at the matter, for the Bible clearly shows that an intelligent, unseen person has been controlling both men and nations. It says: "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." And the Bible identifies him, saying: "The one called Devil and Satan . . . is misleading the entire inhabited earth."—1 John 5:19; Revelation 12:9.



Satan doesn't want us to believe in God.



Satan is controlling the world. Satan can make anything seem "scientific"



He can make it seem as though God is an impossible probability.
Someone who cares
2009-03-06 12:18:52 UTC
Huh? When did the theory of evolution or big bang theory become the Law of evolution or the big bang Law? They are theories for a scientific reason.
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:13:49 UTC
Some beleive that b/c the world is so complex and that we don't know everything the world must of been created by some higher power or deity. I forget the name of it...I think it might be Intelligent Design.



and some just beleive the bible is the real code and way and science just isn't the real thing.



It's not just Christians who don't have full faith in science either.
Uncle Joe
2009-03-06 12:15:58 UTC
You degrade Science when you refer to complex theories as facts. Neither evolution nor the big bang are facts. They are very complicated hypotheses. It is reasonable to call them theories, at best, but they surely are not simple facts.



I am Roman Catholic.

That's a fact.



The Big Bang theory was developed by a Catholic priest.

That's a fact.



The Catholic Church considers evolution to be a possibility.

That's a fact.



Peace be with you.
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:11:08 UTC
You must remember these are all theories even God. But as the theory of God has been around much longer it is now the one that is preferred by most people. Without religion there is no balance in the world. Scientific theories can be provided but not fully like the theory of God.
GambitGrrl
2009-03-06 12:07:53 UTC
Not all of them do.



There are plenty of Christians who know that science and religion don't have to be at odds with one another.



Edit:

Evolution is not a fact. It is a scientific theory.



A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven.



So even if someone doesn't accept this scientific theory, if they have no evidence to offer that debunks the theory, their opinions mean nothing.
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2016-10-14 13:43:44 UTC
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anonymous
2009-03-06 12:13:19 UTC
Christians don't (the FATHER of the Big Bang Theory was a Christian). SOME Christians do, as well as SOME Jews, SOME Muslims, etc. It has nothing to do with Christianity.
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:09:19 UTC
What data have you produced regarding big bang? I am an atheist and believe evolution (the parts that have been proved). However I have not found proof of the big bang.
nyar2006
2009-03-06 12:21:02 UTC
interpretations can do miracles christian has no need to deny rather they need to mould their beliefs or bible's misconceptions according to scientific facts or just dump the theories of bible like creation of universe in six days and rest on 7th (if god also tired and needs rest) if it is not possible then NEW VERSION of any book can be produced, a
just curious (A.A.A.A.)
2009-03-06 12:07:57 UTC
let's not pigeon-hole all christians. from every poll i've ever read, most christians accept evolution, or rather theistic evolution (evolution guided by god). i think you're referring to creationists, specifically. it's no wonder christians think the majority of atheists are anti-theists when we can't even make the distinction between christian and creationist. i imagine germans would be mad at us too if we called every one of them a nazi.



edit: to shabalaba, the big bang is backed up by the fact that our universe is expanding.
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:17:05 UTC
were you there at creation? No. Then let me answer your question with another. Why are atheists denying that it is a religion?



Atheist - the doctrine or BELIEF that there is no God



Religion - (1) a set of BELIEFS concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe. (2) a specific fundamental set of BELIEFS and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects
engr-tech
2009-03-06 12:22:10 UTC
I do not deny scientific facts. I deny the conclusions of godless scientists. I believe the Bible.
paul h
2009-03-06 12:11:20 UTC
Read this online book by Dr Walt Brown and see if you agree that evolution and the Big Bang are "facts". They clearly are not...just naturalistic "theories" with many flaws.



http://creationscience.com/onlinebook/index.html
anonymous
2009-03-06 13:07:49 UTC
it's easy to be unreasonable. just listen to an alcoholic defend themselves,tell you they don't have a problem.

it's the same thing only different. emotive thought is the lowest,yet most powerful form of thinking we have,and obviously,some people are quite good at keeping their minds closed
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2009-03-06 12:22:36 UTC
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Esther
2009-03-06 12:07:40 UTC
I do not agree that some things "scientists" claim prove evolution are indeed fact. And nothing about this big bang theory proves that God did not create the universe, and everything in it. Nothing.
rykker
2009-03-06 12:09:44 UTC
Christians don't deny the Big Bang.



As regards Evolution, specifically Macro Evolution, if scientists can show an ape in captivity "evolving" into a human being, then let's see who can deny that.
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:07:53 UTC
Some of them suffer from schizoid delusional mental disorder. Additionally some of them have a total lack of scientific education and understanding and some can be really lazy.



Its much easier to repeat "gawd did it" instead of studying the concept of peer reviewed scientific litterature and biochemistry for example.
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:09:15 UTC
Dear S,



You stated NO Facts, nor did you post any references.



Why?



Are you speaking about the "Flat Earth Theory?" Or perhaps that you were descended from Monkeys? Please state some so that we may see what you really... Beleive?



IF you want some Science... then check out theses sites.



http://www.icr.org/



http://www.fishdontwalk.com/



Thanks for Asking! RR
jojo
2009-03-06 12:11:09 UTC
Im sorry but first i am going to have to ask you to prove something------Anything. The floor is yours.

Remember I can counter.



Have a nice day.
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:07:02 UTC
I don't deny scientific facts. I deny peoples' interpretation of facts. I do so easily and without fear of contridiction. I know God's Word, and I am quite confident in it.



The big bang... is a fact huh? lol.



I question how Evolutionists interpret their own interpretation of facts, as fact.
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:18:01 UTC
[cover ears] [close eyes]

Faith is stronger than reason, la la la!
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:07:43 UTC
Church folks are cute and cuddly.

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anonymous
2009-03-06 12:06:59 UTC
God give us science and in truth many of the scientific branches were founded by Creationists and not Evolutionists.
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:06:17 UTC
So long as there is a loophole or technicality that they can navigate through, they will do so. And since Godel proved that no advanced system can ever be complete, there will always be a loophole.
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:07:29 UTC
As soon as you get all of your scientific "facts" in order, let me know.
Marysia
2009-03-06 12:06:53 UTC
FACTS?!?!? uhm, they are still called THEORY for a reason :)



ater all the "facts" that CHristians have provided how can you still deny Christ?!



EDIT -- how foolish -- why on earth would "your facts be better than mine" in your eyes Christ is a THEORY -- JUST LIKE YOUR SCIENTIFIC FACTS!
gertystorrud
2009-03-06 12:07:02 UTC
lol. Where do the 'facts' originate in the first place??
FSM prophet
2009-03-06 12:06:44 UTC
They shut their eyes and ears. It works well enough because they can live their lives benefiting from science without actually having to accept the principles it works on and facts that it reveals.
Bill C
2009-03-06 12:05:56 UTC
Correct me if I'm wrong... I thought those things were generally accepted theories, not established facts.
C
2009-03-06 12:06:20 UTC
There is no proof for Evolution and the Big Bang.Those are beliefs.
OPM
2009-03-06 12:05:53 UTC
The world will not be round until the last flat Earther dies. Each person lives in their own private universe. You can put anything in your own universe that you like.
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:05:40 UTC
how? i don't know the exact brain process that allows it, but anyone can deny anything.
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:07:24 UTC
not a god, THE God -
anonymous
2009-03-06 12:06:35 UTC
many mental disorders lead people to deny reality.





there is only one truth and it's the scientific truth.
CheGuevara
2009-03-06 12:06:24 UTC
"Faith means not wanting to know what is true."



- Friedrich Nietzsche, German philologist and philosopher (1844-1900).
Oscar Wilde:evil at its best
2009-03-06 12:06:20 UTC
It's quite easy, they stick their fingers in their ears and go, "Nyanya, I can't hear you! Our earth is only 6,000yrs old nyanya."
⌡Machine Head⌠
2009-03-06 12:05:44 UTC
Lysencoism is like that.
Rene
2009-03-06 12:05:41 UTC
God's facts are more accurate.
neil s
2009-03-06 12:05:40 UTC
Delusion - otherwise called "faith".


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