Question:
ATHEISTS --- What can Christians do, short of deconverting, to make interaction with you a bit more pleasant?
ZER0 C00L ••AM••VT••
2007-08-02 18:10:54 UTC
I asked Christians what they'd want atheists to do to make interactions "nicer", so now I'm asking atheists what Christians should do.

Besides "shedding their indoctrination" and "freeing themselves from delusion", what can they do?
34 answers:
anonymous
2007-08-02 18:13:37 UTC
i have no problem with christians what so ever as long as they didnt call me a satan worshipper cause im atheist that would be nice
anonymous
2007-08-02 18:59:15 UTC
This applies to everyone, not just christians. Just ask one question at a time. If you ask ten questions in one it just shows you really don't want an answer to begin with. This is just a cheap debate tactic called Machine Gun Tactics.



Next be honest. Don't pretend to know something when it is obvious you don't know the first thing about it. If you don't know something just be honest and admit it.



Don't claim to what the other side believes or claims. If I have a claim I will make it myself. I don't need someone else telling me what I believe. Especially when they are simply lying. A common one Christians use is atheist believe everything is the result of random chance. Nothing could be further from the truth. Just stick with what you believe. Don't tell me what you think I believe.



None of these are unique to Christians but I see some Christians use these a lot.
?
2016-05-21 08:34:45 UTC
It isn't all Christians, just the bad representation no matter how cliche it is, don't let a single bad apple ruin the bunch just because a couple popes molested children doesn't mean they all do just because some Christians are hostile and/or uneducated doesn't mean all of them are I was reading Amanda L's questions and answers, and I was exremely angry her take on God's word was very hostile towards atheists and she was a major hypocrite as well She never listened to the opinons of the atheists she asked the questions to, because she was already under the assumption they were wrong Just because she is a bad representation of Christians, don't let her represent us as a whole
writersblock73
2007-08-02 18:23:24 UTC
That's simple: Stop turning everything into a Christian recruiting center. I'm tired of hearing that science is being challenged by an invisible man everywhere I turn. I have a daughter on the way. Will she go to school and learn about principles, reason, and logic... or will she learn about folklore and fable, confusing them as truth? Also, am I going to constantly have to clean up the mess when she's taught that homosexuals are bad people?



All I want from them is George Carlin's idea for an addition to the Ten Commandments: Keep Thy Religion To Thyself.
?
2007-08-03 06:09:48 UTC
1. If they have a religious rule, let it remain a religious rule, one maintained within the bounds of their religion, and not one that leaks out into the rest of the population. The Amish do a superb job at this, and have prospered as a result. Oddly enough, although their proselytizing is annoying, the Jehovah's Witnesses also do a great job at keeping their religious rules within the faith. This applies both to rules against certain acts (homosexuality, abortion, working on Sundays) and rules promoting certain acts (prayers in public, religious Bible studies in schools, teaching intelligent design).



2. Never threaten anyone with hell, even if you believe hell is a real place. While religious folks may believe that they are attempting to save someone, it is as unwelcome as a lifeguard jumping into a synchronized swimming event (i.e., both unnecessary and disruptive). Consider how well received were the Vatican's recent comments that protestant churches were not really churches. References to how a Christian God plans to torture most of humanity for all eternity is not really a way to maintain civil peace.



3. No means no. Never proselytize without asking permission, and if permission is denied, never bring it up again.



- {♂♂} - {♂♀} - {♀♀} -
v35322
2007-08-05 22:13:39 UTC
Leave me alone with the attempts to convert me, especially if you're going to act like you're telling something you think I've never heard before. Trust me, I've heard it all. It didn't work any of the other countless times someone said it, and it's not going to work this time.



Accept that the differences in our beliefs do not make me a bad person. I don't think any less of Christians because of their beliefs, and I would appreciate it if you would extend me the same courtesy.



Even if you don't believe in them, at least try to learn about atheistic and evolutionary perspectives so that you can be sure you're disagreeing with real beliefs and not with something someone made up.



That is all.
??IMAGINE ??
2007-08-02 18:15:36 UTC
stop acting like you are superior.



Listen as much as talk. Use the reasing part of their brain to face up to the obvious contradictions in the bible.

Stop acting so smug , arrogant and childish. Quit belittling people who see things differently than you do.





If your faith is true why can't you describe it well enough for me to "get" it too??

If there is anything worth "getting" I'm open to it.



I did not "Deconvert" your word. I just got fed up with all the church hypocracy.

If Christians would listen to what athiests say without jumping to conclusions that have little merit and would hear them out about the VALID REASONS they don't believe the fairy tale

that would help allot.♥
Jess H
2007-08-02 18:30:11 UTC
(1)Make an honest attempt to listen--don't just preach.

(2) Don't make up stories about how I (or any other person) thinks, feels, or believes, and then try to tell me why it's wrong to feel that way. We hear all the time "Atheists are only atheists because they don't want to be held responsible for their actions..." and other nonsense like that ad infinitum. Saying stuff like that might make you feel better, but it really does you no good because there's no truth in it. In fact, spewing nonsense like that simply destroys your credibility. Don't tell me how I think--ASK me how I think. And when I tell you...take my word for it.

(3) Don't threaten me with your God's wrath or the fires of Hell. I don't believe in God and I don't believe in Hell, so those threats sound like a desperate attempt to scare me into believing in your religion because you have no valid arguments.

(4) Don't say things like "Isn't it obvious there is a God?" or "Proof of God is all around you if you just open your eyes..." No, it isn't obvious that there's a God. If it was, I wouldn't be atheist. And what you deem to be proof, is not proof to me. Ex: A rainbow is evidence of moisture and sunlight--not evidence of an invisible, magical, supernatural being.



For more truly helpful suggestions about how to talk to an atheist so they will listen, and maybe even respect what you have to say, see here:

http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/theistguide.html

http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/hownot.html
Dr. G™
2007-08-02 18:20:31 UTC
Oh, I'm gonna get my hand slapped for entering an "atheists only" post. I'm not atheist, but this is what I (a professed fundie) would do for atheists - I would host a big pajama party at my house, camp out in my oversized living room with lots of pillows and sleeping bags, eat lots of snacks packed with saturated fat, cholesterol, & salt, and tell ghost stories... then have a massive pillow fight! Yeah!



No preaching, no proselytizing, ... just fellowship and fun. This is my tact, really.
Pangloss (Ancora Imparo) AFA
2007-08-02 18:20:53 UTC
I have several pleasant interactions with Christians everyday. When it becomes unpleasant is when they try to convert me or condemn a group of people for their beliefs. So, they should just find peace in their faith and allow others to do the same. I don't mind if they tell me about their religion. I love to learn about people's faiths. But then they should be willing to listen and learn about other faiths as well. Don't tell me my way is wrong or try to convert me and I will afford you the same consideration.

"When you judge people, you have no time to love them."

"Each of them is Jesus in disguise"

- Mother Teresa

Edit- Dr G, I'll bring the Doritos and soda!
N
2007-08-03 06:54:44 UTC
I get along with the majority of Christians in my life just fine. Most of my good friends are Christians. The only Christians I don't get on with are the ones who assume I've never heard of Jesus, who try to convert me, or who call me things like subhuman and evil. So... if any Christians are doing those things, they could stop and we'd get along great!
cashelmara
2007-08-03 10:44:57 UTC
"If I do not want what you want, please try not to tell me that my want is wrong.



Or if I believe other than you, at least pause before you correct my view.



Or if my emotion is less than yours, or more, given the same circumstances, try not to ask me to feel more strongly or weakly.



Or yet if I act, or fail to act, in the manner of your design for action, let me be.



I do not, for the moment at least, ask you to understand me. That will come only when you are willing to give up changing me into a copy of you.



I may be your spouse, your parent, your offspring, your friend, or your colleague. If you will allow me any of my own wants, or emotions, or beliefs, or actions, then you open yourself, so that some day these ways of mine might not seem so wrong, and might finally appear to you as right -- for me. To put up with me is the first step to understanding me. Not that you embrace my ways as right for you, but that you are no longer irritated or disappointed with me for my seeming waywardness. And in understanding me you might come to prize my differences from you, and, far from seeking to change me, preserve and even nurture those differences." Source(s) If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.

Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. —Henry David Thoreau
CHEESUS GROYST
2007-08-02 18:34:06 UTC
Christians could embrace secularism more fully because it protects all of us.

Christians should keep their religious beliefs in the private sphere, they should worship in their churches and their homes of course as of their right... but the churches themselves should stop manipulating their followers and politicians to push church beliefs about sin on the rest of society by trying to have their religious beliefs enshrined in our laws.

Christians you are already at liberty to observe your own religious rules... don't have an abortion, don't enter into a gay marriage, don't seek a dignified death by elective euthanasia if your religious beliefs do not support these things but please no more heavy lobbying and politicking to force others to observe your religious rules under penalty of the law.

Freedom of religion also means freedom from other people's religion being forced upon us.
million$gon
2007-08-02 19:00:39 UTC
Find the way to steer the interaction towards MUTUAL respect

without betraying or abandoning faith

and without bothering atheists to change
anonymous
2007-08-02 18:15:30 UTC
Most of my interactions with Christians are pleasant. We generally talk about things in which we are mutually interested.
Doc B
2007-08-03 01:19:13 UTC
Catherine E and Big Bang, I want to give you extra thumbs up. You've encapsulated my main thoughts on this issue very well.



To reiterate one point: *you* believe what you believe. *I* believe differently. Please do not try to turn your own religious rules into laws that govern me. If Heaven is the Kingdom of God, so be it. But this is Earth, and I've never seen God on a ballot.



N.H., I love the synchronized swimming analogy. Perfect visual.
anonymous
2007-08-02 19:09:25 UTC
I'm not an atheists, but have friends that are and I have friends that are christains.

We all have mutinal understanding that we never ever talk about religion in front of each other.

Just quite tring to tell anyone that they are going to hell or that there is only "one god".
anonymous
2007-08-02 18:17:20 UTC
as an avid atheist, i feel that people with a religion (often christians) try to convert me. that is one thing that i find unacceptable. also, don't bring up a bunch of stuff about god, heaven and hell and such because it is uncomfortable for an atheist. above all, i think people should look past religion and find out who someone really, truly is, but it is a hot topic and unless you want an argument, don't discuss religion much.
GreenEyedLilo
2007-08-03 05:59:18 UTC
The same things I'd want them to do for me as a Pagan, I bet--look to see what we have in common, and use that. Go beyond our religions. Not assume *they're* superior, even if they think their religion is superior. And *ask* what I believe; don't *tell* me!
spirit dummy
2007-08-02 18:27:37 UTC
It's a Catch 22 type of question because if they quit trying to indoctrinate people and didn't believe the fairy tales then they wouldn't be Christian.
lilli
2007-08-02 18:17:53 UTC
They don't have to do that I'd just like respect enough respect that they don't tell me I should except "god" and this and that and if I don't I'm going to "hell" I don't care if they believe it but I don't need to be told it over and over again since I don't believe in either it just irritates me and make me more grumpy.
anonymous
2007-08-02 18:20:12 UTC
Interaction is always pleasant until the topics proceed to "do you believe in god?". :D.
Dark-River
2007-08-02 18:14:07 UTC
Just realize that I don't care what superstitious beliefs they have.



Unless ofcourse if that is the topic of the conversation.
anonymous
2007-08-02 18:21:02 UTC
Intellectual honesty, instead of sly verbosity.
anonymous
2007-08-02 18:14:34 UTC
forget about religion for the time
John C
2007-08-02 18:13:03 UTC
accept the evidence science puts for because anything else is just a willful lapse in reason.
novangelis
2007-08-02 18:13:40 UTC
They can keep all their beliefs. They just need to be honest in promoting them.
anonymous
2007-08-02 18:19:21 UTC
Use logic and stop telling us we will burn in hell.
amy
2007-08-02 18:15:41 UTC
dont talk about it.. find different interests other than religion...
Bill K Atheist Goodfella
2007-08-02 18:16:34 UTC
Think, rather than rationalize...
anonymous
2007-08-02 18:19:33 UTC
Don't ask me what denomination I am...
jen t
2007-08-02 18:13:12 UTC
I think you've got it pretty much covered.
littlecwoman
2007-08-02 18:15:58 UTC
Christians do not give a flip about what man thinks about them,,, we only care what God thinks if you want to know the truth of the matter.
CJ
2007-08-02 18:12:49 UTC
Why would you want to interact with someone you look down your nose upon?


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