Question:
Christians, why did you guys spread your religion by the sword in the past? Couldn't get any takers otherwise?
2010-01-23 22:42:04 UTC
Christians, why did you guys spread your religion by the sword in the past? Couldn't get any takers otherwise?
22 answers:
Photographer
2010-01-23 22:45:24 UTC
Jesus said so himself, so they just followed suit.......and its been a bloody one.



"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.Matt 10:34
KAL
2010-01-23 23:46:53 UTC
I've never spread my "religion" by the sword...as for those who claimed to be following the same Christ that I'm following and chose (or choose) to use a sword to do it, I'd say that I've never accepted such claims as valid. I think the concept of "convert or die" is wholly inconsistent with the message of Jesus.



Note that I am not passing judgment on the salvation of any individual...Jesus made it clear that only God can judge the heart of another person. Instead, I am judging the behavior of people (particularly groups) who claim to be representing "the will of God" against what Jesus instructed his followers to do and if it is not consistent, I'm saying that their testimony about Jesus should NOT be considered reliable (and if it isn't reliable, it isn't valid).



Re: the second part of the question, I'd have to say you're pretty close...it wasn't that people who were actually spreading the message of Christ couldn't get any takers...even when people were using a sword to eliminate his followers (e.g., when the Romans were feeding Christians to the lions or otherwise publicly executing them), they were still able to expand their numbers. The problem was that people who had a "worldly" motive for expanding their numbers (e.g., political power) often seized upon the intuitive appeal of Christ's message as a "hook" for increasing their power enough to be in the position to use a sword to pursue their original motives. A few twists to the words of Jesus and a largely illiterate population and you can mount an army against another group of people led by people who are literate (or just rational) enough to view the revised message as obviously perverted..."convert or die" is the result.



Incidentally, this explanation also applies on a smaller scale...consider all the documented con-men throughout history who put a few twists on what Jesus said to make themselves rich...consider all the people who have "tweaked" something he said to justify slavery, murder, or hatred.



Simple fact, the basic message of Christ has never had any trouble "getting takers". The problem is that the widespread appeal of that message makes it an attractive tool for people to use for personal and/or political gain. That means that those takers are an attractive target for anyone who needs the support/cooperation of other people to achieve their personal/political objectives! It stands to reason that many are going to be unwitting victims of a "false prophet" who convinces them that Jesus wants them to convert people by force. In addition, it also makes sense to think that many more are going to continue to be influenced by the false doctrines that prophet shared with his initial followers as long as the religion he (or she) founded continues to exist. Want some evidence...take a look at all the "Christian" denominations that exist today that hold wildly inconsistent beliefs they all view as "essential" to the definition of a Christian...same basic foundations with inconsistent and sometimes unbelievably complex doctrines built on that foundation.



In a way it's like the fact that Microsoft products are such an attractive target for hackers...the widespread popularity of things like Windows and Internet Explorer increases the power available to someone who wants to exploit others for his or her own purposes if he or she can find a vulnerability.
?
2010-01-24 17:56:25 UTC
My guess is it was an ineffective method of conversion.

Christianity continues to grow without the use of an actual sword.
Martin
2010-01-23 23:04:49 UTC
So based on your question your saying that I'm over 500 years old? AWESOME I only look 19 cool.



Christians are HUMAN and as a HUMAN we all need to get over our egos, the Jesus said to love one another and instead >SOME< early Christians chose to kill so can you blame everyone who is Christian?



Whites have put blacks through hell and back in the past, so should blacks today condemn whites for the actions of whites of the past? No



The Egyptians of the past enslaved Israel, should Jews today condemn Egyptians today for that? No
zeal4him
2010-01-27 09:12:46 UTC
I am ashamed of the history of Christians killing others, possibly by the tens of thousands.



However, that does not compare to the 100-130 million slaughter by atheists, of THEIR OWN COUNTRYMEN, in atheist regimes in the 20th century .



That is more than all the people killed by other means, in the history of the world.
2010-01-27 18:38:16 UTC
I dont know.. but there were the Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch trials... etc.. i would say fear has always been an integral part in getting others to believe their religion..
Very much in love with God.
2010-01-23 22:47:42 UTC
Ah, but where my friend does Christ ever say to do that?



I follow Christ, not a man made creed. Yet you generalize by saying all Christians are the same.



Stalin did not believe in God, are all of you like Stalin?



I do not believe so, because I am fair in my assessments, are you? Truly, are you:?

I have seen Christians venture to places to help others into places where you would be terrified to go without faith. But since I did not agree with you, you probably didnt read my answer anyway.
ursearching
2010-01-23 22:47:47 UTC
Because Christians aren't perfect either. Messed up and pay for it now by people choosing not to have anything to do with Christ. But in the long run the ones who focus on "human's" past sins are the ones who can miss out on what's going to save them today.
RG
2010-01-23 22:45:45 UTC
That was Western Christianity (Roman Catholicism and Protestantism). Eastern Orthodox have a more peaceful history.
apeman605
2010-01-27 07:01:54 UTC
Beats me. I wasnt alive in the 16th century.
?
2010-01-23 22:52:55 UTC
Lol. Christians justify this with "That was Catholicism, not Christianity".



Christians- Grow up. Whatever form of Christianity you follow stemmed from Catholicism, and you know it. At least have the gall to accept your mistakes.
2010-01-23 22:48:29 UTC
In the past? Hell they are doing the same thing today in Nigeria, and they are dumping the bodies in their water wells. How disgusting is that?
Fireball without a screw loose
2010-01-23 22:56:46 UTC
Be in love with God as much as you want. He's an evil bastard who made his kid take the fall for all his bs.
Spitfire
2010-01-23 22:45:53 UTC
Wait a sec. Let me get in touch with my former incarnation and ask.



How the hell are we supposed to know why they did things that way back then?
cheir
2010-01-23 22:45:29 UTC
Do you mean the Word of God - the sword of the Holy Spirit?
POP/TTC
2010-01-23 22:45:58 UTC
sign of the times. Then it was swords today it is the tongue....lol
2010-01-23 22:44:22 UTC
Owned.



And with WORDS, too! NOT a sword.



Take notes on this, Christians. That is, IF you have a pen instead of a blade in your pocket.
Crockit
2010-01-23 22:44:46 UTC
Because we got a really good price on them from the Muslims.
SO12G Atheisti
2010-01-23 22:45:33 UTC
muawwwhhhhhh imagines blood everywhere and trembling humans great and small proclaiming the pope the christ and all the taxes that came with that
2010-01-23 22:49:09 UTC
i've never owned a sword
2010-01-23 22:45:29 UTC
They can not argue otherwise
2010-01-23 22:44:45 UTC
It looks like they taught the Mas-lames well too.


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