How Does This Line Up With The Catholic Teaching Of..?

Question

How Does This Line Up With The Catholic Teaching Of..?

Answer 1

Open your Bible and search the following passages:



Purgatory

Mt 5:48 - be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect

Heb 12:14 - strive for that holiness without which cannot see God

Jam 3:2 - we all fall short in many respects

Rev 21:27 - nothing unclean shall enter heaven

Jam 1:14-15 - when sin reaches maturity gives birth to death

2Sam 12:13-14 - David, though forgiven, still punished for his sin

Mt 5:26 - you will not be released until paid last penny

Mt 12:32 - sin against Holy Spirit unforgiven in this age or next

Mt 12:36 - account for every idle word on judgment day

2Macc 12:44-46 - atoned for dead to free them from sin

1Cor 3:15 - suffer loss, but saved as through fire

1Pet 3:18-20; 4:6 - Jesus preached to spirits in prison

2Tim 1:16-18 - Paul prays for dead friend Onesiphorus

1Cor 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people baptizing for the dead

In 2 Tim, why is Paul praying for his dead friend? If his friend is in heaven he would need no prayers, yet, if his friend would be in hell prayers again are of no avail.

In 1 Peter, what prison is this? Could it be that Purgatory is this prison.

Most Protestants do not include the book of Maccabees...but, Catholics do. Here you will find again prayer for the dead.

Long before Christianity ... The Jews believed in a place our soul goes to before entering Heaven. Nothing unclean may enter Heaven. Keep in mind Jesus was Jewish. Did Jesus believe the Holy Scripture, of course he did.

The Catholic Bible is unchanged...even after 2,000 years. It holds many truths that have been lost or rejected by "Modern Christianity".



To add to your question reffered to Sparki:

Do you need to repent of sin? Of course you do. So, if you die with sin...what happens to you? Your "Unclean"...Nothing Unclean can enter Heaven...Purgatory is just as the name indicates...A place our soul is purged of all stain... So, that we may be worthy to enter Gods Kingdom.

Catholics believe we Must Repent of Our Sins.



"the Lord disciplines him whom he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives" (Heb. 12:6) — so some temporal penalties must remain.



The Church cannot wipe out, with a stroke of the pen, so to speak, everyone’s temporal punishments because their remission depends on the dispositions of the persons who suffer those temporal punishments. Just as repentance and faith are needed for the remission of eternal penalties, so they are needed for the remission of temporal penalties. Pope Paul VI stated, "Indulgences cannot be gained without a sincere conversion of outlook and unity with God"(Indulgentarium Doctrina 11). We might say that the degree of remission depends on how well the penitent has learned his lesson.



ADD: In Response to Heb 10:9-11

PAUL shares a similar perspective when he states, "Christ our paschal lamb has been sacrificed." (1 Cor. 5:7). Notice he does not conclude, "There is nothing more to be done." Instead, he says in the very next verse, "Let us, therefore, celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth" (1 Cor. 5:8). In other words, something more remains for us to do. We are to feast upon Jesus, the bread of life and our Passover Lamb.



Paul reinforces the reality of this communion elsewhere: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation [koinonia] in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation [koinonia] in the body of Christ?" (1 Cor. 10:16). Such language reflects a solid belief in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. No wonder Paul warns, "For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself" (1 Cor. 11:29).



I saw a similar outlook in the Epistle to the Hebrews. This came as a surprise, since I had always taught, as I had been trained, that Hebrews, more than any other New Testament book, contradicted the Catholic doctrine of the Eucharist as a sacrifice. The main theme of Hebrews is the priesthood of Jesus, particularly as it relates to his "once for all" sacrifice (Heb. 7:27; 9:12, 26; 10:10). This is succinctly stated: "Now the point in what we are saying is this: We have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, a minister in the sanctuary and the true tabernacle which is set up not by man but by the Lord" (Heb. 8:1-2).



Unlike priests in the Old Testament, Jesus does not make daily offerings of distinct sacrifices (Heb. 7:27). On the other hand, "every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; hence it is necessary for this priest also to have something to offer" (Heb. 8:3). Does this mean that Jesus’ "once for all" sacrifice is exclusively past? Or does it not assert that Jesus’ sacrifice, precisely because of its "once for all" character, has become the one perfect and perpetual offering he continually presents in heaven on our behalf? The conclusion is that Jesus no longer bleeds, suffers, or dies (Heb. 9:25-26). He is enthroned in his resurrected and glorified human body as our High Priest and King (Heb. 7:1-3).



It is precisely in this manner that the Father beholds a perfect and perpetual offering in the living body of the Son. If Jesus’ offering has ceased, there would be no basis for his ongoing priesthood, but Jesus’ priesthood is said to be permanent and to "continue forever" (Heb.7:24). Moreover, there would be no reason for an earthly altar if Jesus’ offering is ended, which is what I believed as an Evangelical Protestant--until I discovered that Scripture teaches the reverse: "We have an altar from which those who serve the tent have no right to eat" (Heb. 13:10). The "once for all" character of Jesus’ sacrifice points to the perfection and perpetuity of his offering. It can be re-presented upon our altars in the Eucharist so that "through him [we] continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God" (Heb. 13:15).



FINAL confirmation came for me when I came upon an exciting feature of John’s vision of Christ in the Book of Revelation. Upon hearing the angel announce the appearing of Jesus as "the Lion of the tribe of Judah," John looks and beholds "a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain" (Rev. 5:5-6).



In other words, he who is our celebrant priest and reigning king in the liturgical worship of the heavenly assembly also appears continually as the Passover Lamb of the New Covenant. He appears as the Lamb because his sacrificial offering continues. It will continue until he restores communion with each of his children through the Eucharist. Indeed, it will continue that way for God’s family forever into eternity. After all, our everlasting blessedness is depicted in John’s vision of the New Jerusalem as "the marriage supper of the Lamb" (Rev. 19:9, 21:2, 9-10, 22:17).



Read in Harmony.

God Bless.

Answer 2

Your undestanding, as well as others who posted, is flawed.



In essence, there are only three points on the matter which the Catholic Church insists: (1) that there is a purification after death, (2) that this purification involves some kind of pain or discomfort, and (3) that God assists those in this purification in response to the actions of the living. Among the things the Church does not insist on are the ideas that purgatory is a place or that it takes time.



Because the doctrine of purgatory was held by pre-Christian Jews, post-Christian Jews, Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox, nobody thought of denying it until the Protestant Reformation, and thus only Protestants deny it today.



2 Maccabees endorses praying for the dead that they may be loosed from the consequences of their sins (for it must be the consequences of sin that are in mind since the saved are not sinning in the afterlife). Since it is not pleasant to be bound to the consequences of one's sins, we can infer some kind of pain or discomfort, and thus the full doctrine of purgatory -- a purification (freeing) after death, which involves some kind of pain or discomfort, and which can be assisted by the prayers of the living.



However, while 2 Maccabees 12 certainly teaches the doctrine of purgatory, the doctrine is in no way "based on" that passage. The doctrine can also be supported from numerous passages in the New Testament, but more fundamentally (and this is what you should point out to the Protestant), it can be derived from the principles of Protestant theology alone.



You see, Protestant are very firm (in fact, insistent) about the fact that we continue sinning until the end of this life because of our corrupt nature. However, they are equally firm (if you press them) about the fact that we will not be sinning in heaven because we will no longer have a corrupt nature. Thus between death and glory there must be a sanctification -- a purification -- of our natures.



This purification may take no time, but this is no barrier to the doctrine of purgatory. The fact remains that between death and glory must come purification, and that is purgatory by definition -- the final purification or, to put it in more Protestant terms, "the final sanctification" or "the last rush of sanctification."



The Church teaches that purgatory is the final purification, but not that it occurs in any special region in the afterlife. Just as we do not know how time works in the afterlife -- meaning that purgatory may take no time -- we also do not know how space works in the afterlife, especially for unembodied souls -- meaning purgatory may not take place in any special location.



The final purification may take place in the immediate presence of God (to the extent that God's presence may be described in spatial terms). In fact, in his book on eschatology, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger describes purgatory as a fiery, transforming encounter with Christ and his love. Thus according to Ratzinger's way of explaining the doctrine, as we are drawn out of this life and into direct union with Jesus, his fiery love and holiness burns away all the dross and impurities in our souls and makes us fit for life in the glorious, overwhelming light of God's presence and holiness.



http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/how2purg.htm

Answer 3

Hmm, that's a pretty good verse. Never saw it like that before.





But Jesus did go preach to the souls in "prison", as Peter said. Now does that prison still exist is the question. :)

Answer 4

Purgatory is defined as a state of being, the continuing process of purgation or purification of the soul after human death. It is a state of perfection--begun in baptism and faith-consummated after death, entered into only by those who are saved. In other words, our transformation in Christ (Rom 13:14, "Put on the Lord Jesus Christ"), our perfection in the holiness of the Father (1 Pet 1:16, "Be holy, because I (am) holy") is not ended at our physical death. Purgatory is a sign of God's mercy on those who have honestly sought to know God and to do His will in this life and yet die in some degree of bondage to sin or the effects of sin.

Answer 5

Purgatory is not a place of "working" off anything. It's a place of purification, plain and simple.



A State After Death of Suffering and Forgiveness

Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.



Matt. 5:48 - Jesus says, "be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect." We are only made perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state we call purgatory.



Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.



Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master.



Luke 16:19-31 - in this story, we see that the dead rich man is suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of his place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in hell because compassion is a grace from God and those in hell are deprived from God's graces for all eternity. So where is the rich man? He is in purgatory.



1 Cor. 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people being baptized on behalf of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized on the dead’s behalf so the dead can be raised). These people cannot be in heaven because they are still with sin, but they also cannot be in hell because their sins can no longer be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 Macc. 12:44-45 which also shows specific prayers for the dead, so that they may be forgiven of their sin.



Phil. 2:10 - every knee bends to Jesus, in heaven, on earth, and "under the earth" which is the realm of the righteous dead, or purgatory.



2 Tim. 1:16-18 - Onesiphorus is dead but Paul asks for mercy on him “on that day.” Paul’s use of “that day” demonstrates its eschatological usage (see, for example, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8; 3.13; 5.5; 2 Cor. 1.14; Phil. 1.6,10; 2.16; 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8; 2 Thess. 2.2,3; 2 Tim. 4.8). Of course, there is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy given in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.



Heb. 12:14 - without holiness no one will see the Lord. We need final sanctification to attain true holiness before God, and this process occurs during our lives and, if not completed during our lives, in the transitional state of purgatory.



Heb. 12:23 - the spirits of just men who died in godliness are "made" perfect. They do not necessarily arrive perfect. They are made perfect after their death. But those in heaven are already perfect, and those in hell can no longer be made perfect. These spirits are in purgatory.



1 Peter 3:19; 4:6 - Jesus preached to the spirits in the "prison." These are the righteous souls being purified for the beatific vision.



Rev. 21:4 - God shall wipe away their tears, and there will be no mourning or pain, but only after the coming of the new heaven and the passing away of the current heaven and earth. Note the elimination of tears and pain only occurs at the end of time. But there is no morning or pain in heaven, and God will not wipe away their tears in hell. These are the souls experiencing purgatory.



Rev. 21:27 - nothing unclean shall enter heaven. The word “unclean” comes from the Greek word “koinon” which refers to a spiritual corruption. Even the propensity to sin is spiritually corrupt, or considered unclean, and must be purified before entering heaven. It is amazing how many Protestants do not want to believe in purgatory. Purgatory exists because of the mercy of God. If there were no purgatory, this would also likely mean no salvation for most people. God is merciful indeed.



Luke 23:43

Answer 6

Well if you continue down in Hebrews 10 you will see there is much more:



Hebrews 10:

23 Let us hold unwaveringly to our confession that gives us hope, for he who made the promise is trustworthy.

24 We must consider how to rouse one another to love and good works.

25 We should not stay away from our assembly, as is the custom of some, but encourage one another, and this all the more as you see the day drawing near.

26 If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins

27 but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.



So--

H-10:23 says to confess

H-10:24 says we need works

H-10:26 says if you sin on purpose then you void Christ dying for your sins

H-10:27 says you will be Judged.



And Revelations 21:27 says:

but nothing unclean will enter it, nor any (one) who does abominable things or tells lies. Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.



So if you are looking for a short cut, let me remind you of what Jesus says:



John 10:1 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.



Peace be with you.



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Answer 7

There is a common Protestant misunderstanding of purgatory. At least one protestant minister, John Wesley, spoke of perfectionism in this life, possible but rare. He is one of the few to proclaim that one can be sanctified in this life and he left the Moravian Church over this issue after a rebuke by Count Zinzendorf for this teaching.



People in purgatory are already justified by receiving the supernatural eternal life into our souls through Baptism making us a part of the Body of Christ. Those in purgatory have accepted Christ by faith and have not rejected Him by unrepentant mortal sin. It is a place where one is purified by fire (Mal 3:2). Imagine the joy of being in purgatory and knowing that you are there because you have passed judgment and are assured of being in the presence of God in heaven. Purgatory is not an eternal destination, there are only two, heaven or hell.



We should not think of purgatory as some kind of legal punishment for past sins as it would be under the old law. Those in purgatory are already new creatures changed by Christ’s grace, they are the adopted children and part of God’s family in purgatory one receives final discipline and cleansing preparing one for the perfection of heaven. Catholics believe that sanctification is a process and is not completed when one comes to belief. So purgatory is not a suggestion that Christ’s atonement is insufficient but that we have not yet completed our sanctification through the grace of Christ.



Cleansing or sanctification is a gradual process and we must endure to the end to be saved.



(Mat 10:22 DRB) And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.



(Mat 24:13 DRB) But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.



(Mar 13:13 DRB) And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake. But he that shall endure unto the end, he shall be saved.



Catholic soteriology recognizes that for some of us the process was not completed at death or that we died with unrepentant sin.



(Heb 9:27 DRB) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:



The judgment is our eternal destiny and for those whose name is in the Lamb’s Book of Life, heaven is assured. But we know that one must be free of sin to be in God’s presence.



(1Ti 6:14 DRB) That thou keep the commandment without spot, blameless, unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,



It may be that one is not prepared to be in our Lord’s presence as we may still be with spiritual shortcomings or temporal effects of forgiven sins on our soul making it necessary for some form of purification to enter heaven in God’s presence. Since this is a process of purgation it is called purgatory and it is in keeping with prophecy of the prophet Habakkuk who said that only that which is holy may enter heaven.



(Hab 1:13 DRB) Thy eyes are too pure to behold evil, and thou canst not look on iniquity. Why lookest thou upon them that do unjust things, and holdest thy peace when the wicked devoureth the man that is more just than himself?



St. Paul also taught of a process of purgation which may involve suffering on the soul of Christians and in his first letter to the Corinthian Church he describes the process of purgation after death.



(1Co 3:10 DRB) According to the grace of God that is given to me, as a wise architect, I have laid the foundation: and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.



(1Co 3:11 DRB) For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid: which is Christ Jesus.



(1Co 3:12 DRB) Now, if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble:



(1Co 3:13 DRB) Every man's work shall be manifest. For the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire. And the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is.



(1Co 3:14 DRB) If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.



(1Co 3:15 DRB) If any mans work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.



St. Paul speaks metaphorically that the results of sin that remain on one’s soul is like “wood, hay and straw” and are burned away in the process of final purification to be received in the presence of the Lord. St. Paul also speaks of one’s works as “gold, silver and precious stones” which are refined and retained.



This passage reminds me of what Christ said in the following indicating that some sins may be forgiven after death.



(Mat 12:32 DRB) And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world, nor in the world to come.



Purgatory is also related to the parable of the unforgiving servant which is as follows…



(Mat 18:32 DRB) Then his lord called him: and said to him: Thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all the debt, because thou besoughtest me:



(Mat 18:33 DRB) Shouldst not thou then have had compassion also on thy fellow servant, even as I had compassion on thee?



(Mat 18:34 DRB) And his lord being angry, delivered him to the torturers until he paid all the debt.



After telling the parable Christ emphasizes His message lest it be misunderstood with this warning……..



(Mat 18:35 DRB) So also shall my heavenly Father do to you, if you forgive not every one his brother from your hearts.



Christ was warning us of the danger of a hard heart or anger making us unwilling to forgive others. We should acknowledge that these are the signs and example of a defective soul in need of purgation so that he that is imperfect may be in the presence of God and dwell in glory. (See CCC 1030-1032)



In Christ

Fr. Joseph

Answer 8

13 his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man’s work. 14 If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. 15 If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.



Corinthians 1

Answer 9

The passages line up well with Catholic teaching. You understanding however does not line up well with the bible and Catholic teaching. Thank God we have people like Spirit Roaming and Catholic at Heart to give great answers. Here is a link to truly understand Catholic teaching on Purgatory. I challenge you to read it with an open mind.



http://www.catholic.com/library/Purgatory.asp

Answer 10

You've got the Catholic teaching on purgatory wrong. Souls in purgatory are NOT "working off" their temporal sins. They are helpless to help themselves. Their sins are only removed by the cleansing power of Jesus' blood, shed for their sins.



So that fits in perfectly with Hebrews 10:9-11, especially the part about being made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ...



EDITED TO ANSWER ASKER'S ADD'L QUESTIONS:



The point of purgatory IS to get the cleansing from Jesus. You know that we are all sinners. While we are promised salvation by Christ and can experience a life-changing transformation and general cleansing of our souls, we keep on sinning, even though we resist sin (see Paul's writings in Romans, esp. chapter 6, on this). When we die, we are still unclean, as evidenced by sin. But we can't go to heaven just yet, because "nothing unclean can enter heaven" (Rev. 21:27).



Somewhere between death on earth and eternal life in heaven, we must receive our final cleansing from Jesus, and that's what purgatory is.



Indulgences are what people on EARTH do for people in purgatory (or for themselves). The people in purgatory are helpless and rely only on Jesus for removal of their sins. We on earth can help out by praying for them and by making various sacrifices for them, offering it up for their sake. It's part of sharing in Christ's sufferings and also part of being in the Body of Christ. Sometimes people are aware of an acute attachment to sin in themselves (say a habit of laziness or lying or gossip or speaking ill of others or pornography or whatever). They know they need to leave off this sin, but they struggle. So they seek indulgences as spiritual disciplines to help them overcome the sin and experience part of the cleansing of their souls while they still live on earth.



I know you didn't make it up, but you got it twisted because you didn't understand it thoroughly. I hope I've helped clear it up. If you have more questions, I would be happy to answer.

Answer 11

Just because you got it from a Catholic is no guarantee the Catholic is able to properly explain it or understand it. But thank GOD there are those on here that were able to explain it and answer your question,now it's up to you to reject or accept. One way to look at it is would a loving fair GOD send you to Hell for slapping some one and giving the same punishment that a Hitler or Stalin or any of the evil men that have lived recieved. Of course not that is why we know GOD has given us a place to be purged of our sins that are not sins unto death.Going to purgartory is a guarantee you going to spend eternity with GOD not the Devil. Purgatory is not a second chance as some non Catholics think it is what it is time to be made pure and cleansed of the stains of sin as nothing impure can be in Heaven.

Answer 12

Purgatory is difficult to accept and understand. I struggle with it myself. Paul always talks about "running" the race. If he is working out his salvation, then does it follow that salvation is a gift that we can't lose? What I mean here is that salvation is a gift, a grace, but we can lose it if we refuse to run the race, so to speak. I offer this quote from Philippians 2 starting with verse 12.



"12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

14 Do all things without grumbling or disputing; 15 so that you will prove yourselves to be blameless and innocent, children of God above reproach in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you appear as lights in the world, 16 holding fast the word of life, so that in the day of Christ I will have reason to glory because I did not run in vain nor toil in vain."



We must hold fast and work out our salvation according to these verses. If we don't, Purgatory is a great blessing since we can still be purified after death.



I wonder myself about the existence of Purgatory sometimes believing that there is only Heaven and Hell. My fear is that many who are baptized will go to Hell even though set aside for Heaven because they have not worked out their salvation.

Answer 13

How can you "get rid" of sin unless you get rid of the thing that creates it? How can a sin exist until there is something (a law) that defines what the sin is? What is a law other than the definition of good and evil?

Answer 14

I think it's an idea extrapolated from revelations where it is mentioned some are directly chosen for Paradise (Chap. 7's 144,000); some are damned; yet there are others who are 'taken away' for awhile (Ch 14's 144,000).

I think it's a way of imtimating G-d believes in 2d (77 times 7) chances!

Answer 15

You are asking about the teachings of the Roman Catholic branch of the Christian church. It is a false teaching whereby the prayers of the faithful and the paying for the mention of a persons name in the prayers at Mass for the repose of their souls will help them to enter the Kingdom of God. It is only by Grace through the Acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour that we attain everlasting life. It is also written that we have one life and at the end we must be judged. After death, nobody can pray us into Heaven. The Mormons also will tell you that if you join them they will, at your request accept all your ancestors into the Mormon faith and through that act they too will be in eternity.

By the way Grace, Salvation is not gained by works, it is through the grace of God.

All the thumbs down does not alter the truth.

Answer 16

Jesus and the two thieves were on the cross and the thief on the left asked Jesus that He would remember him when Jesus would enter into Heaven and then Jesus said, "This day you will be with me in paradise!" he didn't say, "First you must go through purgatory because you were a thief and did many bad things."

Answer 17

Find me a passage in the scripture indicating purgatory exists. Then we will talk about Catholic teaching

Answer 18

Purgatory is another false teaching of catholic church,along with it's practice of interceding to saints using images/statues in prayer and worship-this is nothing but idolatry.

Answer 19

Catholic teaching is corrupt! ("They" now are starting to believe in "Evolution" and are on shakey ground!)

Answer 20

it doesn't



Christ removed the penalty of sin, we have only to accept it.

Answer 21

Lines up pretty good. Thanks for asking.