Question:
What do we have more evidence for, multiple universes or a god?
anonymous
2009-04-17 01:29:35 UTC
Pretty much has to be one of the two...or both
Seventeen answers:
some dude
2009-04-17 07:09:00 UTC
Until we can figure a way to shift into another 'dimension' and use some kind of worm-whole, sub space, hyper space, bleed between universes or jump into hyper time, then no, there is no evidence for a mutliverse, all of those things are theoretical anyway. However, I love great sci-fi multiverse stories.



And in my opinion I believe there to be much evidence for a God. But not everyone sees it that way.
L.T.M.
2009-04-17 07:20:06 UTC
"A sublime cosmic mystery unfolds on a mild summer afternoon in Palo Alto, California, where I’ve come to talk with the visionary physicist Andrei Linde. The day seems ordinary enough. Cyclists maneuver through traffic, and orange poppies bloom on dry brown hills near Linde’s office on the Stanford University campus. But everything here, right down to the photons lighting the scene after an eight-minute jaunt from the sun, bears witness to an extraordinary fact about the universe: Its basic properties are uncannily suited for life. Tweak the laws of physics in just about any way and—in this universe, anyway—life as we know it would not exist.



Consider just two possible changes. Atoms consist of protons, neutrons, and electrons. If those protons were just 0.2 percent more massive than they actually are, they would be unstable and would decay into simpler particles. Atoms wouldn’t exist; neither would we. If gravity were slightly more powerful, the consequences would be nearly as grave. A beefed-up gravitational force would compress stars more tightly, making them smaller, hotter, and denser. Rather than surviving for billions of years, stars would burn through their fuel in a few million years, sputtering out long before life had a chance to evolve. There are many such examples of the universe’s life-friendly properties—so many, in fact, that physicists can’t dismiss them all as mere accidents.



“We have a lot of really, really strange coincidences, and all of these coincidences are such that they make life possible,” Linde says.

Physicists don’t like coincidences. They like even less the notion that life is somehow central to the universe, and yet recent discoveries are forcing them to confront that very idea. Life, it seems, is not an incidental component of the universe, burped up out of a random chemical brew on a lonely planet to endure for a few fleeting ticks of the cosmic clock. In some strange sense, it appears that we are not adapted to the universe; the universe is adapted to us.



http://discovermagazine.com/2008/dec/10-sciences-alternative-to-an-intelligent-creator/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C=
belva
2016-05-26 11:01:08 UTC
dont quite understand the question but i assume what your saying is why can we say multiple universes exist but god doesnt. well the answer is the is evidence for more than on universe. the most recent is the neutrinos that defied the laws of physics by traveling faster than the speed of light. the most likely explanation is that we gave them so much energy before measuring their speed between 2 points that they jumped briefly into another universe or dimension with different laws of physics to our own. the are loads of other pieces of evidence too, for instance did you know time drags on gravity. time travels slightly faster further away from out planet and this is observed on satellites, they have to be corrected every single year. this only happens slightly with the mass of our planet but if we were to say fly round a black hole and slingshot out while we were orbiting the black hole the rest of the universe would be traveling far quicker in terms of time than we were. a orbit that took a few hours would have taken a few hundred earth years. this time change is evidence of the fabric of space time that is another point towards string theory that is the the evidence for multi dimensions. there is another point string theory is called a THEORY for a reason.
radgow
2009-04-17 02:05:31 UTC
At this point in time, multiverse theory is all speculation, as it can't be observed or tested (if there are other physical planes of reality in which physics is different, we can't access them by scientific observation of this universe by definition). Multiverse theory was created to pose a solution to the cosmogony problem of why our universe exists vs. other possible configurations. It's not science (it can't be theoretical physics as that is based on observation then extensive calculation and modeling-- multiverse stuff lacks the observation part meaning it's based on personal preference), it's speculative metaphysics in the same way religious claims are speculative metaphysics. However, at least religious phenomena have some kind of record of assumed experiences and observation (which isn't necessarily based on personal preference), whether one thinks such experiences are valid or not.



Logically, if you had to chose one, the religious claims have more 'experiences.' Mutliverse stuff is the speculation reacting to the denial of the validity of those religious 'experiences.'



The three options seem to be these:

1) Multiverse: trusting the person who is flagrantly and knowingly making something up to fit their world view ("it's not lying if there's a chance I'm right").

2) God/Religious claims: trusting the person that is either (a) crazy (i.e. genuinely thinking that they've experienced something but they haven't), or (b) relaying genuine experience and knowledge (i.e. God really exists etc), but they cannot demonstrate it by means of agreed upon established logical methods (difference in opinion regarding epistemology).

3) No opinion/agnostic regarding the issue: we call this one science--- non-absolute claims of facts relative to the observer. This is good; it works nicely and gives you vaccines and computers.



Personally, I find option 1 to be ridiculous; it will stay ridiculous until they show me pictures (then it becomes awesome). One can do all the calculations one wants with the highest levels of math one can conceive of, but it's at best tangentially related to reality. You might as well be calculating star wars physics.



Option 2a can be discarded as well. Option 3 is fine assuming option 2b is impossible, else 2b is necessary. Then again option 2 as a whole is hard given the 50/50 chance of the thing.
Nate
2009-04-17 01:34:12 UTC
Why would it have to be either of those? We don't really have much evidence for either but the fact that the biblical god should have left evidence that we can't find behind means we can rule that out as less likely then multiple universes which would leave no evidence
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2009-04-17 01:36:43 UTC
I'm not super up-to-date on current cosmology, but I'm guessing that there is probably slightly more evidence for multiple universes - the "multiverse" or "omniverse" or whatever they want to call it. I base this simply on an understanding of scientific process, which generally rejects completely unsubstantiated notions, so I assume there must be some evidence - however shaky and incomplete - for the idea to be under discussion at all.
anonymous
2009-04-17 01:42:25 UTC
multiverse, as the concept of multiple universes is called as, is gaining a lot of interest in the scietific community because, theories like string theory, M-brane theory suggest a 11 dimensional universe where mutiple universes can co-exist mathematically.



well, god still remains a hypothesis because of the way in which a GOD is defined. such a being is highly improbable to exist and GOD's attributes are self contradictory like all-knowing and all-powerful.
efqy
2009-04-17 01:45:59 UTC
"Pretty much has to be one of the two."



Provide evidence for your assertion. There may be a number of other possibilities. For example, there's a recent paper on arxiv that suggests that our universe isn't all that "highly tuned" after all. Multiple universes may still be true (it fits with interpretations of quantum mechanics, for example), but unnecessary for an origin explanation.



I'll lean toward multiple universes, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if we find out fairly soon that we don't need to invoke them.
Antre
2009-04-17 01:37:32 UTC
Why does it have to be one or the other, one universe, one existence, no god. It seems simple to me. Though I'd rather believe that there is something more after life that doesn't mean it has to be in another universe and it also doesn't mean there has to be a god.
Sandra Panda
2009-04-17 03:09:16 UTC
I believe in multiple universes and God.





Oh and remember my question about the Holographic Universe. Well you mentioned: the author lost me with the man who created jewels out of thin air. Well didn't Jesus create fish out of thin air for the people? Remember in the bible?



Same concept.
geyamala
2009-04-17 03:09:11 UTC
there are several universes which are yet to be discovered. i think the gods or angels who were referred to in sacred books of all religions were intelligent beings from other universes.
Gamer Kitten
2009-04-17 01:50:48 UTC
My vote's on God, but it's all personal proof. I don't think the people I'd have to convince would accept it.



I didn't know the multiverse idea was actually under serious discussion.
53108
2009-04-17 01:44:11 UTC
Actually, your question is faulty. Universe signifies only one. God is up to the one interpreting God.
anonymous
2009-04-17 01:35:29 UTC
We have many universes...and there is one "God" for each one...our "God" is super pissed and absolutely embarrassed because he is the laughing stock among the Gods because he was dumb enough to create humans for the Gods' Universal Conquest as we are all killing ourselves before it even starts...he really wishes that he had protected his dinosaurs before hand...at least they knew not to overindulge and kill each other off...or DID they too kill each other and our "God" is now zero for two?
The Queen
2009-04-17 01:44:44 UTC
God. If every complexity of this world, every microorganism, every human emotion, creativity, innovation, all the wonders of space that we will never discover. If that all just somehow happened then I'd challenge the person on how they prove that. The way our universe was created shows intelligence in its creation. God is real.
b0rnbad
2009-04-17 01:39:01 UTC
The evidence is not shaky - there are multitudes of universes.



Check this out...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNekfKfth6Y&feature=related
Rev. TomCat
2009-04-17 08:33:07 UTC
All that you see and know of is of God.

Rev. TomCat


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