Question:
If the Holy Spirit is essential for salvation, must one work miracles or speak in "languages" to be saved? or,
anonymous
2008-03-27 16:20:05 UTC
or, does it influence gradually like Jesus said in John 3:7:

"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."
Twelve answers:
Wally
2008-03-27 23:41:42 UTC
The subject of speaking in tongues has been presented in various ways. Some say that it is the ultimate test of a person's personal filling by the Holy Spirit. Others would teach that it is a universal gift given to every Christian, and without it a person cannot be sure of salvation. It should be noted that nowhere in the Bible is this taught. When the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas what he had to do to be saved, tongues are not even mentioned in the answer given. When Paul gave the definition of the gospel to the Corinthian Church in the 15th chapter of his first epistle to them, he never mentioned tongues. (By the way, the Corinthian Church was the one that exhibited the "gift of tongues" more than any other New Testament church.) When he wrote to the Galatians about the fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22, 23, he never mentioned tongues there either.

Consider also that "unknown tongues" or a "heavenly language" is never mentioned in the Bible. If you have a translation of the Bible that is accurate, you will find that words that are not in the original manuscripts, but have been added by those who prepared the text of your Bible, are in "italics." Note that "unknown" is in italics in First Corinthians 14:2, 4, and 13,14,19,27.

The gift of tongues was given to Peter and apostles on the day of Pentecost so that all the Jews present on that day, from all over, heard him preach in their own "heart language." Tongues were also a sign gift on occasion, to show that what was happening was of God. Peter saw that in Acts 10, to show him (a Jew) that God was giving salvation to a Gentile (Cornelius). First Corinthians 1:22 says, "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:" When the Bible was complete, this sign gift ceased (I Corinthians 13:10)
heiscomingintheclouds
2008-03-27 16:31:13 UTC
God the Father is the Holy Spirit. He calls all men to repentance. Most do not hear.



God's spirit cannot enter into an unclean vessel. So unless a man is born again, unless he is cleansed and made Holy by the blood of the lamb, the Holy Spirit will not enter the man.



So the man is saved, born again though the Son of God and this given him access to the Holy Spirit of God.



Yet, do not get this mistaken with the baptism of the Holy Spirit which gives men the ability to pray the perfect prayer, to pray in tongues. This baptism is the same baptism the apostles received on the day of Pentecost. This baptism does not save a man. This baptism empowers the man, not by his own power, but by his submission to the will of God.
cataliz
2008-03-28 00:24:31 UTC
The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a GIFT ...to empower us to be His witnesses.



Salvation in Jesus Chist is by faith, through God's grace, not of works lest any man should boast. Salvation is also a free gift from God.



Being 'born again' is different from being filled with the Holy Spirit. Your 'born again' experience is synonymous with salvation, which you received through faith in Christ. (Ref. John 20:22, when Jesus first appeared to His disciples after His resurrection, He breathed on them).



However, you will need another powerful experience, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which will empower you supernaturally to be His witnesses, viz. On the Day of Pentecost, 10 days after Jesus' Ascension, the 120 disciples of Jesus were filled with the Holy Spirit, and they became supernaturally empowered to be bold witnesses for Christ. You can read Acts 1-3 for a clearer picture.
anonymous
2008-03-27 17:39:17 UTC
No to the bold face black. And yes to the gradual influence. It's private between God and the person. Gifts are specific to a person and may be similar to others, but none are the same. Nothing in the 3d material plane will get it, it is all from the heart/mind aligned with God that salvation comes through Christ.

EDIT: [I read some answers, and, if I truly am aligned with God through Christ my actions won't cause confusion in others, or if they do, it won't matter as this is a spiritual discernment issue here, and until one has that it's very beyond words to try to help someone understand that.

I'm not saying justifying bad behavior, there isn't one religion that hasn't slaughtered in the name of God - but people make up religions and governments, so it's up to each one of us individually to behave differently as a group of individuals behaving differently in a group of individuals.....]

Thanks for the Q :)
anonymous
2008-03-27 16:28:23 UTC
Your interpretation of John 3:7 appears to merit reconsideration



try this



5 Jesus replied, "The truth is, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. [fn2] 6 Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives new life from heaven. 7 So don't be surprised at my statement that you [fn3] must be born again. 8 Just as you can hear the wind but can't tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can't explain how people are born of the Spirit."
anonymous
2008-03-27 16:34:01 UTC
Recognizing you are a sinner, truly repenting of your sins and asking Jesus to forgive those sins is essential for salvation. Once you are already saved then God's Holy Spirit will enter into you. Of course none of that is possible unless the Holy Spirit leads you to reconciling your sins with God.
TroothBTold
2008-03-27 16:35:01 UTC
No. If that were the case, God would not extend mercy to those who repent on their deathbed.



Salvation is a free gift to those who accept Jesus with a repentant heart. As for miracles and spiritual gifts, that is up to the Lord to give to whomever, whatever, whenever (1 Cor. 12). They are not a sign of or a pre-requisite for salvation.



Since you snuck in another question - the answer to that is they were wrong and most of them were likely not true Christians but only religious in their beliefs - no personal relationship. But, as I say, they were wrong and many of them will be judged for their murderous deeds.
His eyes are like flames
2008-03-29 09:32:22 UTC
True, one must be baptized , to receive Gods spirit,to enter Gods Kingdom, but it is very very clear that Jesus , in John3:7-12 was speaking of literally being born into spirit, into Gods kingdom, the transformation from flesh to a resurrected being.



Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Debra M. Wishing Peace To All
2008-03-27 16:27:11 UTC
No each of us are given different gifts. We do not all have those gifts.

St. Paul 12:5 So we being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.



6 And having different gifts, according to the grace that is given us, either prophecy, to be used according to the rule of faith 7 Or ministry, in ministering; or he that teacheth, in doctrine; 8 He that exhorteth, in exhorting; he that giveth, with simplicity; he that ruleth, with carefulness; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness. 9 Let love be without dissimulation. Hating that which is evil, cleaving to that which is good. 10 Loving one another with the charity of brotherhood, with honour preventing one another.
anonymous
2008-03-27 16:35:51 UTC
JESUS SAID ,TONGUES AND PROPHECIES ,THEY SHALL CEASE AND FAIL BUT THE GREATEST GIFT IS CHARITY WHICH IS LOVE.BUT IN CORINTHIANS ARE THE GIFTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,THAT WE CAN DO ,THE WORD OF WISDOM,2 WORD OF KNOWLEDGE,3FAITH 4 GIFTS OF HEALING5 WORKING OF MIRACLES6 PROPHECY7 DISCERNING OF SPIRITS,8DIVERS KINDS OF TONGUES9 THE INTERPRETATION OF TONGUES BUT ALL THESE WORKETH THAT ONE AND THE SELFSAME SPIRIT DIVIDING TO EVERY MAN SEVERALLY AS HE WILL.
Free Thinker
2008-03-27 19:29:15 UTC
No but it sure would be a good idea!
deacon
2008-03-27 19:13:44 UTC
If the Holy Spirit is essential for salvation,



Answer: Acts 28:27-29 (King James Version)

27For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.



28Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.



29And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.





must one work miracles or speak in "languages" to be saved?



Answer: NO.

2 Corinthians 6

1We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.



2(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)



3Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:



4But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,



5In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;



6By pureness, by knowledge, by long suffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,



7By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,



8By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;



9As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;



10As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.



11O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.



12Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.



13Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.



14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?



15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?



16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.



17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.



18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.



or, does it influence gradually like Jesus said in John 3:7:



Answer: Your Statement about John 3:7 is False and is not supported by the Holy Scripture.

John 3

1There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:



2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.



3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.



4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?



5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.



6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.



7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.



8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.



9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?



10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?



11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.



12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?



13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.



14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:



15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.



16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.



17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.



18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.



19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.



20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.



21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.



22After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.



23And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.



24For John was not yet cast into prison.



25Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.



26And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.



27John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.



28Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.



29He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.



30He must increase, but I must decrease.



31He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.



32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.



33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.



34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.



35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.



36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


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