Christians Who Invented the Trinity?

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When controversy over the matter of the Trinity blew up in 318 between two church men from Alexandria – Arius, the deacon, and Alexander, his bishop – Emperor Constantine stepped into the fray.

Although Christian dogma was a complete mystery to him, he did realize that a unified church was necessary for a strong kingdom. When negotiation failed to settle the dispute, Constantine called for the first ecumenical council in Church history in order to settle the matter once and for all.

Six weeks after the 300 bishops first gathered at Nicea in 325, the doctrine of the Trinity was hammered out. The God of the Christians was now seen as having three essences, or natures, in the form of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Answer 1

MUHAMMAD FOUNDED MOHAMMEDANISM (islam).



#1 Mohammad says in the quran 39:12

YUSUFALI: "And I am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam."



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#2 MOHAMMAD FAILED THE TEST OF PROPHET HOOD, if muhammad's allah was true, it would have informed him about the poisoned goat, which later led to his death.

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Ibn Sa'd page 249: Verily a Jewish woman presented poisoned (meat of) a she goat to the apostle of Allah. He took a piece form it, put it into his mouth, chewed it and threw it away. Then he said to the Companions: "Halt! Verily, its leg tells me that it is poisoned." Then he sent for the Jewish woman and asked her; "What induced you to do what you have done?" She replied, "I wanted to know if you are true; in that case Allah will surely inform you, and if you are a liar I shall relieve the people of you."



**PROPHET HOOD FAILED**: The question here is weather allah told muhammad that the goat is poisoned or not? CLEARLY NOT, as he had to put it in his mouth. Quran says "if you are true; in that case Allah will surely inform you" {muhammad would not eat the goat and he would not die} but because allah NEVER informed him, and muhammad was a liar he ate it and he died, just as the verse says "if you are a liar I shall relieve the people of you."



After all this even if Muhammad knew that it was poisoned, and he still put it (goat) in his mouth, he committed suicide.

And if he came to know after chewing it, its nothing special as anybody would know after they chewed it, no need for special powers.



#3 Mohammedans do not have any supporting evidence to prove mohammad was a prophet (other than he being a self proclaimed prophet, with hallucinations). He has not been mentioned in either of the earlier original texts (Torah/Bible).



#4 Even if we agree that muhammad was illiterate, certain questions come up like, who wrote the quran?, if not muhammad then how did he verify what he was narrating to his biographers or his contemporaries, weather it was exactly what he wanted them to write?



#5 Muhammad forced the Arab moon god allah on everyone. I say this because, mohammad's father, A PAGAN, had the name Abdullah meaning servant of allah much before mohammad had his "revelations"



#6 Muhammad was called a liar

Muhammad informed Umar [the second Caliph], and he called the Prophet a liar. Ishaq:567.



#7 Muhammad broke oaths as he wished and advised mohammedans to do the same

If you ever take an oath to do something and later on you find that something else is better, then you should expiate your oath and do what is better." Sahih Bukhari 9:89:260



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#8 Mohammad being a false prophet did not perform any miracle.

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The Qur'an very clearly says of Muhammad that he performed no signs. In Surah 6.37, when Muhammad's adversaries say "Why has no sign been sent down to him from his Lord?", Muhammad is bidden to reply merely that God could send one if he wanted to but had not done so.



In the same Surah we read that Muhammad said, "I have not that for which you are impatient" (Surah 6.57), meaning signs and wonders such as Moses had. He goes on to say that if he had had them, the dispute between him and them would have been decided long ago.



# 9 Muslims PRAY to Mohammad like he said to do:



Tirmidhi relates, through his chain of narrators from 'Uthman ibn Hunayf, that a blind man came to the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) and said, "I've been afflicted in my eyesight, so please pray to Allah for me." The Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) said: "Go make ablution (wudu), perform two rak'as of prayer, and then say:



"Oh Allah, I ask You and turn to You through my Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of mercy; O MUHAMMAD (YA MUHAMMAD), I SEEK YOUR INTERCESSION with my Lord for the return of my eyesight [and in another version: "for my need, that it may be fulfilled. O Allah, grant him intercession for me"]."



Do the readers see how Muhammad specifically instructed the blind man to address him directly in his prayer? The blind man wasn’t told to simply pray to Allah asking him to heal him on behalf of Muhammad. He was also directed to address Muhammad directly and personally ask him in the prayer to intercede for him.



@ Patrick: take your mom's d.1ck out of your f.vk1ng mouth and maybe you will be able to think that is if your head is not chocked with your mother's c.um but may be it already is.



You should really ask your mom to stop putting her d.1ck in your d0uch3 because the constant @g0ny and 0rg.a$m$ doesn't allow you to shut your fvk1ng mouth. So b.1tch, you cannot be taken seriously. You can su*ck the c.0ck of mo all you want ince$tu0us f.@.g, your savior is a $h3m@le, yep that's your mom. Get mad f.@.g, get mad.

Answer 2

That's not really a question and you don't fully understand what happened. Arius caused a controversy because he espoused someone no one had previously believed. The church had always taught the Trinity without the formal definition of "homoousian" formulated at Nicea.

Answer 3

God invented the trinity, starting all the way back in Genesis 1:1, where it uses the pleural form of the word for God, "Elohim", rather than the singular form of the word, "Eloheinu", and throughout the entire Scriptures.



Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness". He wasn't talking to angels, because angels are NOT in the likeness of God.



Then Isaiah got VERY bold when God spoke and he wrote these words, "Thus says the LORD, I have not spoken in secret. From the beginning, I am here. And now the LORD God (Elohim) and His Spirit has sent me, says the LORD your redeemer." So, grammatically, the Lord and His Spirit sent the Lord, who IS the Lord.



There are many other places, especially in the New Testament, but that's all I'm going to respond with for now.

Answer 4

What is your question? The facts are correct. Early Christians did not adhere to such a doctrine as it was not invented until the third century. Neither do modern Christians who believe as the ancient Christians did.

Answer 5

1 John 2:22 KJV

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.





Mark 12:29 KJV

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear , O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:





Jesus is Lord



Philippians 2:10-11 KJV

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow , of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.





Jesus said I and my Father are one



John 10:30 KJV

I and my Father are one





Jesus said he that has seen me has seen the Father.



John 14:9 KJV

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?







The Trinity is biblical and easy to establish in scripture.



1 Father X 1 Son X 1 Holy Spirit = 1 God

1X1X1=1



YHWH is the father, YHWH is the Son, YHWH is the Holy Spirit.







The Bible teaches that God is one God in three distinct persons: God the father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. This teaching is commonly known as the Trinity - Meaning that God is a "tri-unity" or "three in one." Now let me make it clear that Christians do NOT believe in three Gods. Nor does the bible teach that God is one person who appears in three forms or modes, which is an error. Throughout the concept that God is one God in three distinct persons may be difficult for us to grasp, it is what the scripture clearly teaches.



One God, Three Persons



First, the Bible teaches that God is one



Deuteronomy 6:4

Hear , O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:



Isaiah 45:22

Look unto me, and be ye saved , all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.



The Bible clearly teaches that there are not three Gods, but one true God. However, Scripture also teaches that there are a plurality of persons in the Godhead.



God the Father is



God - Phil 1:2

Creator - Gen 1:1

Eternal - Psalm 90:2





God the Son is



God - John 1:1; Romans 9:5; Col 2:9; Tit 2:13; Heb 1:5-13

Creator - John 1:3, Col 1:16

Eternal - John 8:58; Ex 3:14





God the Holy Spirit is:



God - Acts 5:3-4

Creator - Job 33:4, Job 26:13

Eternal - Heb 9:14





This teaching that all three persons in the triune Godhead are One God but three distinct persons, is seen throughout scripture:



In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. (John 1:1-2)



we are told here that Jesus Christ - The Word of God- was "with God" in the beginning. If I said, "I am with my wife," you would not think I was saying that "I am my wife." In the same way, we can clearly see a distinction in John 1:1 between the Father and the Son. However, John also tells us that the Word "was God," so clearly He is the same God while at the same time being a distinct and separate person.



1 John 5:7 KJV

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.



John 1:1 KJV Jesus is the Word

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.





2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV ( God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself )



To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.





1 Timothy 3:16 KJV

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.







Jesus is NOT a creation



Jesus created all things John 1:3, Colossians 1:16



Did Jesus Create himself ?



John 1:3 KJV

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



Colossians 1:16 KJV

For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:



firstborn can mean firstborn into a family and it can also mean a title of high rank.

David who was the last one born in his family in ( 1 Chronicles 2:13-15 )

was called firstborn by God in ( Psalm 89:20,27)

Firstborn in Colossians 1:15 and Hebrews 1:16 is a title of high rank.

It does NOT say firstcreation in either of these two verses.

Source(s):

Bible



King James Version



King James Version has been around since 1611 and is trust worthy

Answer 6

Invented is not the right term.

Recognized is more accurate.



Men can't really fit God into their heads.

The Council of Nicea may be the best attempt, to date.

Answer 7

Man! The word trinity is not in the bible. Neither is its explicit teaching 3 in 1.

Answer 8

Seem that God did not like the Trinity.

Exactly 40 years later, God destroyed both Nicea and Alexandria, just like He did for Jerusalem 3 centuries prior.

Answer 9

Don't listen to those christians who say that God revealed the trinity in Genesis.I just got done talking to one about that and he made no sense.And this is why:If the word Elohim is proof that God is a trinity just because it has plural meaning then how come Moses didn't believe that?Moses wrote Genesis and he's the one who used the word Elohim and he didn't believe in a trinity.God revealed himself to Moses as Elohim and Moses still taught and believed that God is one in the strictest sense of the word.And Moses did this because God ordered him to after He revealed Himself as Elohim.Who are we to believe?Moses,who wrote the book,or christian scholars who came thousands of years later interpreting the book he wrote?I'm going to have to go with Moses - Elohim didn't mean trinity to Moses,The Prophets,The Temple Priests,and the countless generations of Israelites for thousands of years.And it still doesn't mean trinity to them to this day.The christians saw plural meaning in the word and used it to support their absurd trinity doctrine.So Elohim in Genesis doesn't prove a trinity at all!The fact that christians argued and killed each other over this doctrine in the first place goes to show that this doctrine is not "clearly" expressed in the bible nor is it ever once explicitly taught by Jesus or any of his Disciples.

I challenge any christian to show me a verse in the bible where Jesus(and Jesus only) teaches that God is a trinity.Don't take me to the verse where he says "I and the Father are one" because he doesn't say anything about the Holy Spirit.So he's not teaching a trinity in that verse.Again,the christians will try anything to prove the trinity.I want a verse where Jesus says "The God of Israel is not one like Moses and the Prophets taught our forefathers.He is three in one in a new way that I have come to reveal to this generation.And I am a part of this trinity.Therefore I am your God.I say unto you I am the God of Israel." And don't take me to John where he says " I am" because that still isn't teaching a trinity.I want a verse where he identifies all three persons of the trinity doctrine and says that they are one and that they are God.I don't want verses where it seems like Jesus is claiming to be God.I want a verse where he expounds on the trinity in full detail like christians today do.Nothing vague or ambiguous.I want a clear and cut statement that cannot be refuted or mistaken for anything else but a trinity doctrine.

When Jesus said "Love thy neighbor" make no mistake,he meant for his followers to love one another within the community they live in.I want a verse where there is no room for mistake that Jesus is teaching a trinity the way christians today do.Where do they get their analogies and examples from?Not from Jesus or his Disciples.They get it from their religious teachers who get it from their own thoughts.None of it is biblical.



NOTE TO RATIONALIST:What the fvck does anything you wrote have to do with the question?If you're a Christian bashing muslims then go somewhere else with that bullshlt!Muhhamed is fake and so is Jesus!So shut that shlt up.I'll walk you through a list of shlt that proves Jesus was just a impostor like Muhhamed's fake ***,too!They were both phonies.



Shut your bltch *** up!You're just mad because that bltch you pray to is fake just like muhhamad's fvggot ***!Ha ha...punk!Your savior is a bltch.Don't get mad!

Answer 10

God

Answer 11

The terms used by the early church may be inadequate to describe God, but the general understanding of the TRINITY, of ONE GOD yet three persons, is Biblical, for indeed the THREE are ONE, indivisible.



Look closely at these Bible verses:



When Christ came to this world, He came "forth from God".



John 16.27,28

"For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."



John 10.38

But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that you may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.



The Spirit also comes "forth from God".

John 15.26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father,



And when the Holy Spirit comes, Christ and God the Father are also present.



John 14.16

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter,

John 14.18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.



John 14.23

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.



Isaiah 9.6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.



John 14.26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."



As you read through the above texts you should notice that when ONE member of the Godhead comes, ALL THREE ARE PRESENT.



SDA

Answer 12

Arius, like Marcion, was right. Did anybody listen to them? Nooooooooooooooo.....

Answer 13

The papacy OF COURSE. They also invented other crazies like eternal torment in hell, necromancy, sunday sacredness, human intercessors, the list goes on....

http://www.helltruth.com/

http://www.666truth.org/

http://www.prophecy.com/



@ SDA 4 Christ: I agree ;) Yours and my disagreement is simply synaptic.

Answer 14

the worse mathematician ever dosent even know how to count