How can the trinity be true when it makes John 17:3 a lie?

Question

''This is eternal life, that they might know you, the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.''


Two subjects: Jesus and another subject. That other subject, God the father, is proclaimed as the only one who is true God. Yet trinity says Jesus is true God and true man.

Answer 1

For those who say he is a true god and a true man is like those who believe that there is a square circle,let him then find his own asylum.

Answer 2

 in the fourth century C.E., in a Latin treatise, an overzealous recommend of Trinitarianism of course secure the words “in heaven, the daddy, the word, and the holy spirit; and those 3 are one” as though those have been a citation from a million John 5:7. Later that passage replaced into positioned right into the text fabric of a Latin Bible manuscript, As for the interpolations at a million John 5:7 to help the Trinity and at Acts 13:2 to justify the Mass, those did no longer exchange what's reality. And in time the frauds have been completely uncovered. the great reservoir of unique-language manuscripts of the Bible factors a potential for checking the validity of any translation. this article isn't modern in any of the early Greek manuscripts and has of course been further to make stronger the Trinity doctrine. maximum modern translations, the two Catholic and Protestant, do no longer incorporate those words in the finest physique of the text fabric.—a million John a million:a million, 2. right here is how those verses are translated in maximum bibles. (a million John 5:6-8) . . .. 7 For there are 3 witness bearers, 8 the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in settlement.

Answer 3

The doctrine of the Trinity is not true, and is not a Christian belief, because it does not value the words of Jesus. Not only did Jesus refer to his Father as the only true God in prayer, but Jesus said that his Father is greater than him in John 14:28. Jesus doesn't stop there either, just in case anyone wants to twist John 14:28, Jesus referred to his Father as his God and our God (John 20:17). I believe Jesus our Lord. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:3,17; 1 Peter 1:3; Romans 15:6).



Jesus referred to himself as a man who told them the truth, which he heard from God, his Father who sent him (John 8:24,26,28,40). Jesus does nothing of himself, and seeks the will of his Father who is God, not his own will (John 5:30).



Yes, it is the Doctrine of the Trinity that is a lie, it is not John 17:1,3.

Answer 4

We must understand what it means when it says "one." It means one in purpose, but different in function.



Consider our instructions on marriage. We're told that 2 must become "one flesh." (Gen 2:24) What is meant by 2 becoming 1? Could it be that we're being given a type for how the Godhead functions? The Father has a plan, the Son implements the plan, the Holy Spirit teaches/helps/comforts the followers of the plan. They're separate but equal, with different functions, just like husband and wife.



Moses tells us that GODS (plural=Elohim) created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1,2)



God the Father calls Jesus "God" (Hebrews 1:8)



Paul says Jesus was EQUAL with God (Philippians 2:6)



John says Jesus is the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word WAS GOD. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. (John 1:1-14)

Answer 5

And yet Trinitarians fully endorse and accept John 17:3 as perfectly compatible with the Trinity. Because all it says is that one God, known as the Father (author of all life), is the one and only true God. And certainly, the human nature of Jesus is involved in being sent to do the will of that ONE God.

Answer 6

To John B., youre right no one existed before God, however, we all existed before we were even born. God had us in mind well before we were created.



Saul and the Greeks were the ones who made Jesus divine, Jesus NEVER claimed divinity at NO point. Just many Christians making text from Anonymous people mean something it does NOT mean.



Jesus is an important Human and Prophet of God. Not Son, Not God in Flesh, NOT divine at all.

Answer 7

Not only John 17:3; but John 17:1-26; John 20:17;

Matt.3:16,17; Matt.16:16,17; Luke 3:21-23; John

10:34-36, to be killed because he said, he is the

son of God.

Job 2:1,2; Job 38:4-7,30-32; earth, angels and

space is all before Adam at Gen.1:26, where

Jesus as we know him, was with God, all see

what was before Adam, Gen.5:3, Adam age 130,

first time given, Adam sinned, how much time to

the salvation of the off-springs of Adam?

1Cor.15:22-28,51-53.

Answer 8

Oh no but the bible is symbolic, it's open for interpretation - except when its convenient for the subject of the behemoth for example. I'm coming to the realisation that there isn't any point arguing, they have a stupid response to any question that poses a serious threat to the basis of Christianity. Let stupid people be stupid, let us hope the next generation aren't so much.

Answer 9

hi there.



you say 2 subjects.

jesus says "i and the father are 1"



listen to jesus

Answer 10

The trinity has never been true; it's just a concept invented by man from pagan concepts.

http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/lcg/studytopics/lcg-st.cgi?category=FalseReligion1&item=1116550111

http://mikeblume.com/pagantr.htm



Admissions from Catholics & Protestants regarding Trinity:



It is indeed true that the name "Trinity" is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man. (Luther Martin. The Sermons of Martin Luther, Church Postil, 1522; III:406-421, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)



In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together....The Vatican Council has explained the meaning to be attributed to the term mystery in theology. It lays down that a mystery is a truth which we are not merely incapable of discovering apart from Divine Revelation, but which, even when revealed, remains “hidden by the veil of faith and enveloped, so to speak, by a kind of darkness” (Const., "De fide. cath.", iv). (Joyce G.H. The Blessed Trinity. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XV Copyright © 1912 by Robert Appleton Company Online Edition Copyright © 2003 by K. Knight).

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It shows in scripture that God is a divine Family that began with two, God the Father and the Word (Genesis 1:26; Ephesians 2:19; 3:15; Hebrews 2:10-11). In the Bible: it says Jesus was the son of God; not God the son.

It says in 1JN.4:12 = "No man hath seen God at any time..."



Is Jesus God?

Jesus Christ is not God; he was figuratively God, the (John 1:1) Logos in the Old Testament---1Cor.10:4 (Exodus 24:10-12; the spokesperson or speaker for God.

@Note: In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance; see Greek Dictionary of the New Testament pg.45 for "Logos"



It says that Jesus is the son of God = 1John 4:15.

References of the devil or demons calling Jesus Son of God:

Matthew 4:3; Matthew 4:6, Matthew 8:29; Mark 3:11; Luke 4:3; Luke 4:9; Luke 4:41



References to humans calling Jesus Son of God:

Matthew 14:33; Matthew 27:54; Mark 1:1; Mark 15:39; John 1:34; John 1:49; John 11:27; John 20:31; Acts 9:20; Romans 1:4; 2Corinthians 1:19; Galatians 2:20; Hebrews 4:14; Hebrews 6:6; Hebrews 7:3; Hebrews 10:29; 1John 3:8; 1John 4:15; 1John 5:1; 1John 5:5;

1John 5:10; 1John 5:13; 1John 5:20; Matthew 14:33; Revelation 2:18



Jesus referring to himself as the Son of God:

John 3:18; John 5:25; John 10:36; John 11:4

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Now about God the Father and his son Jesus being a man. --

Hosea 11:9 = "...: for I am God and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter in the city."

Numbers 23:19 = "God is not a man; that he should lie: neither the son of man, that he should repent..."

Acts 2:22 = "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you..."

1Timothy 2:5 = "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ."

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Jesus couldn't be 100% God and 100% man when he came in the New Testament.

Fact 1: Only God the Father was immortal(1Tim.1:17)---not subject to death. Immortals can't die; only mortals can. Jesus (Rom.3:24-25; 6:3,9) died as the scriptures say; if he was both 100% man and 100% God---would that mean he was partially dead, not dead at all? Think!!!

This is the doctrine of the Anti-Christ to say he did not come fully in the flesh (1John 4:3).



As having said this; doesn't it tell us in John 1:14 that Jesus came in the flesh; it does not say flesh and spirit.



Now from these two texts; it tells us there's two persons: one is God and one is Jesus the son of God; a man approved of God. Now as we have determined Jesus can't be God.



However after his death, he came (John 20:28) figuratively God again and we will be (John 1:12; 1Cor.15:53; John 10:34) gods like him if we obey what he says.



If you want to know what John 14 & 15 really says and information about 1John 5:7; please see this link below:

https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20130227111322AA2mQha



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Answer 11

the trinity is actually a metaphor. it relates to gods gift to us, our brain. The father (neo cortex) is the part of our brain that sets us apart from animals. the son (cortex) is the brain of animals, and the holy spirit (brain stem) which does all bodily functions without our control.

Answer 12

atleast you're not someone who doesn't believe in it because "it's not in the bible" lmao. they just contradict themself..



anyway...

let me answer with an analysis for you to grasp or give somewhat an understanding about the trinity... (no man can really fully understand it. it's rather a mystery)



The measurements of time, space and matter..



Time = past, present & future

Space = length, width & height

Matter = solid, liquid & gas.



they are 3, yet it is the same Time, Space & Matter. They are different yet the same.

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There is only one God, but presented in 3 persona

One measurement of Time, presented as past, present & future

One measurement of Space, presented as 3

One measurement of matter, presented as 3 (well now 5) but you get the gist.. haha..

Answer 13

Oh I understand, you're trying to make sense of the writings of a half dozen semi-psychotic 3rd-5th century clerics with a cult-building agenda, and you expect them all to agree with each other and not ever be contradictory? Ok then. Good luck with that.

Answer 14

" Let this mind be in you , that was in Jesus Christ , who thought it not robbery to be equal with God." ........Jesus wasn't the true God , just equal to the true God.

Answer 15

Psalm 2

1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=2&t=KJV#comm/1

Answer 16

You have no clue of the rest of the bible do you..? and not the history channel version. Jesus loves you.....

Answer 17

You are unable to read and interpret it correctly.