Do Non-Witnesses twist the scriptures? I am a Jehovah's Witness.?

Kevin Jess

2009-07-13 12:11:12 UTC

I'm just curious...why do you base your answers on your own experiences. Wouldn't you base them on Jehovah's word? I just need some clarification if you don't mind....thanks.

2009-07-14 04:37:40 UTC

There is a reason why people consider the "JW Bible" false. Of all Bible "translations" or versions, it is the most different. The JWs consider the Bible the inerrant word of God, but why have "Holy Scriptures" where the wording is so different and where some verses are in the King James, there is just a hyphen. This is what I observed while reading the JW Bible 20 years ago. Perhaps there is a new edition with these "empty" verses replaced.

Most Christians do not believe in Jesus and God the Father being two different people, so they are going to say you do not believe in the true Jesus Christ. God in a physical body.

I have not heard anyone say JWs are the Anti-Christ, but if they think JWs teach doctrine contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ, then they are going to say JWs or their founders are false prophets, etc. Let's not forget the many different years predicted to be the the year the Lord would come again. You will never live that one down. Those prediction were false prophecies, which made the final declaration of a "spiritual establishment of God's kingdom" in 1914 sound more like a desperate attempt to not be wrong again instead of a serious doctrine. Why didn't they say that in the first place?

Yes there are some JWs who endanger their child's life by refusing they get a transfusion. I have read it in the paper. I have never seen any literature from the Watchtower Society that condemns this attitude. You will find most other Christians view the scriptures that say abstain from blood are referring to not eating blood products. In the Biblical times, there were many cults that required human blood for offerings or the participants had to consume blood in the rituals and rites.

There does seem to be truth in the windows thing, but I don't see anything wrong with that.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not follow historical and accepted Christian doctrine, so there will always be "opposers". Get used to it.

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2016-04-06 07:26:24 UTC

Watchtower=Mother Troll

2009-07-14 15:48:20 UTC

Most do.

Some just don't fully understand what it is they're reading.

I would say... it's not 'just' those that are non-Witnesses

that twist the Scriptures, no, but more along the thread of

satan the devil blinding their minds;

that they cannot see (discern) the truth.

Did not Jesus endure ""much more""

then your being offended - by their ignorance

and disrespect of the only true God.

Have mercy, as Jehovah allows the time for all to attain repentance; for they know not what they do.

You are compassionate; in your love Jehovah; understandable

it is offensive.

I know, I've been there. And......I am sure I will again.

The time is coming..........

and it is nigh.

STAND STILL AND SEE THE SALVATION OF JEHOVAH!!

2009-07-14 08:12:08 UTC

Darling, it is well known that many the watchtower organisation teachings are wrong and not based on scripture.

People dont make 'accusations' that your society teachings are wrong,without backing them up but the thing is many a time when you show the members of this religion where they are wrong with scriptures they dont believe it, or just ignore you.

To be honest I dont know why Ladywife who is a a Watchtower society member thinks it funny to laugh at others that is very rude, and also Poto using the word 'crap' that surely is not acceptable by the organisation.

If members of this society want to be taken seriously then maybe such as Ladywife and Poto should behave with more dignity. A tree is known by its fruit.

I include a link here which if you are serious about God I sincerely hope you will take a look at it. Lots of love x

2009-07-15 08:58:53 UTC

Possibly the beginning of wisdom is when one realizes that it all about you as an individual, and not the group you belong to.

Off course some non witnesses twist scriptures, as do some witnesses. Please wont you decide to take a bigger view of life and realize that we are all just swimming.

ReadTheKJB

2009-07-13 20:26:11 UTC

Yes some to many do. Just look at the vast majority of your tv preachers and how they twist Scriptures to get money to pad their bank accounts. Look at the Latter Day Saints and how they twist the Bible to support baptizing for the dead. Look at the Catholic and how they twist the Scriptures to teach we have to confess our sins to a priest and how their priests and such are forbidden to be married.

Why is it that no one denominational, and non denominational, group is 100% accurate and right on everything? Because we as people are imperfect.

Why do some religions use questionable sources to defend their beliefs? Because they are not the truth? Thats my usual answer, but also because they are imperfect. True religion doesn't need those involved with the occult to support it's views. True religion doesn't need to use doubters and denyers to defend itself. Truth doesn't need to take quotes of context to support itself. Why would any religion do any of the above? Because truth is not in them.

I am curious, and please feel free to e-mail me if you prefer, but in our list what are the distortions? Now yes, I have seen people say that JW's don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God, so we can agree on that.

The Bible viewpoint is mostly opinion, but one that as I have studied the issue I see based on fact.

JW's have made false prophecies. Deny it all you want, but they have and that makes them false prophets according to the Bible. Only takes one prophecy to fail to accomplish this.

I have yet to meet a JW parent who would allow their child to live via a blood transfusion. Likewise I have yet to read anything published by the WTBTS that supports a blood transfusion to save a child's life. If there is something published along these lines I would love to see it.

Most Kingdom Halls don't have windows. This I have had explained to me because of the quick builds and how much faster it is to put the building up without windows. I have though been in KH's with windows so rare as they seem to be here in the Mile High area, I know that some have them while most do not.

What else do you have that you won't have to distort?

angelmusic

2009-07-14 00:08:14 UTC

BIG GUY - I read the Bible EVERY DAY, barring NONE.

That is not a lie.

PAY DIRT - You were fine till you ADDED TWO WEBSITES to the bottom of your answer.

THAT IS GOING BEYOND THE BIBLE ITSELF.

If the Bible is ENOUGH, then listing websites invalidates just what you said.

I sat through a funeral of one of my aunts where the minister DELIBERATELY misquoted Genesis 2:7, because he realized when he got ready to read it that it directly contradicted what he was saying.

It was ALL I COULD DO but jump up and say that he was deliberately misreading the verse.

And I assure you that EVERY RELATIVE there knew in person or by letter as a follow up that he deliberately substituted words for what IS in the Bible.

I still find it difficult to this day to keep from repeating the minister's name and the church he preaches at when I speak of this incident.

The city? Cincinnati.

And at a FUNERAL at that, when people need the truth and the comfort from the scriptures more than ever.

Camellia

2009-07-13 13:30:36 UTC

Just thought I would mention the fact that there are so many non Jehovah's Witnesses, though not all who aren't, who believe that it isn't wrong to abort unborn children. Many feel that if a baby isn't wanted, then it's best to just dispose of the "unwelcome guest" before he or she grows any further, causes the mother birth pains, then becomes a responsibility to care for and about. I know that many who aren't Jehovah's Witnesses still would not abort a pregnancy, yet there are still many more who wouldn't even think twice about doing it. There are scriptures all throughout the Bible that explain God's view of life and that he values even the smallest human being and he wants to help parents with loving and caring for their children no matter how they were conceived, yet many will ignore or even twist scriptures so they will feel excused to go on about their business, or else assume that there is no way to know if God cares or not. EDIT; Yes many non JW's do twist the scriptures or just flat out ignore them, there are many examples.

2009-07-13 14:19:54 UTC

A guy who believed in the Trinity showed me this at, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 [I will put names to make it clear for all open minded, honest hearted people looking for truth] "Next, the end, when he [Jesus] hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, [Jehovah] when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. [See Daniel 2:44] For he must rule as king until [God][Jehovah] has put all enemies under his feet. As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. For [Jehovah][God] “subjected all things under his [Jesus] feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the [[[exception]]] of the one [Jehovah] who subjected all things to him. [Jesus] But when all things will have been subjected to him, [Jesus] then the Son himself [Jesus] will also subject himself to the One [Jehovah] who subjected all things to him, [Jesus] that God [Jehovah may be all things to everyone." Only one true God Jehovah with his Son Jesus who is in loving subjection to his loving Father Jehovah! The guy said he [being honest] could not fit that into the Trinity idea at all. And if people will be honest and really reason on the things they try to make into the Trinity idea are only talking about two not three people! And just because three things are talked about at one time does not make them one in three people! No more than if we say John, James, and their computer! Jehovah and Jesus are not the same person as 1 Corinthians above show. But the holy spirit is a powerful tool like a computer is, able to do many things but not a person. We might call it a spiritual computer just to make it simple to understand. Powerful but not a person. Jehovah and Jesus use that powerful tool to get a lot of things done just like we do with our man made weak computers. But one of the most powerful tools mankind has come up with. So John, James, and their computer are not three people in one and that is true as well with Jehovah, Jesus, and the holy spirit! They work together as one but not as the same person. Does that make more sense than a three headed god who BBQ people non stop in a Pagan idea of hell? The Bible hell is only the grave no more. And it tells us what goes on there at Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 which is nothing, sample as that! For more details ask a JW!

Jehovah, Jesus, and the holy spirit no mystery in Jehovah's word the Bible if we use sound reasoning powers!

Leslie H

2009-07-13 09:02:03 UTC

So many misconceptions, and on this forum, it is impossible to carry on intellengent conversation without biased and uninformed diatribe getting in the way. Very few people can view this sort of forum with any sort of balance, and perhaps come away with any change of opinion. The vast majority ask questions here, already knowing the answers they are looking for, and many just wanting to bash on others.

I doubt that you will ever be able to convince these people that the bible we primarily use is a globally accepted fine translation, accredited by many universitiy professors and theological sources. You will not be able to convince them that we absolutely believe in Jesus as the son of the Almighty God, our savior and our king, not 'just an angel'. You will never be able to convince them that the dates the society has looked to in the past were merely hopeful signposts for us, an indication of our being steadfast watchmen, waiting up for our master, while the rest of christendom sumbers on, even to this day, telling their parishioners that the kingdom of god is in their hearts, so nullifying the need to 'keep on the watch' as the bible tells true christians to do. No way will you be able to tell them how much we adore our children, and how important their lives are to us, but how much more important their eternal lives are. These same people send their children to war, proudly. I guess country is more important than faith.

Lastly, few here will be able to accept the truth about the lack of windows in our halls, simply for insurance reasons, (it prevents vandalisim,) and for the purpose of the ones inside not being distracted. Many modular schools have realized the wisdom of no windows, helps in concentration.

You won't win here, because the majority of people who read and answer here are doing so to further their own purpose, and unfortunately, many seem to have no other goal in life than to make Jehovah's witnesses look like a bunch of religious nuts, with their half-truths, and outright lies. What other group on this forum has such scrutiny? You will not win because Satan has so much power, and he controls their minds. Why else would you see such effort expended toward hating such a peaceful group? Do you see ex-baptists, or ex-mormons, or ex-scientologists spouting such hate? You won't, because Satan has no interest in pushing anyone away from except from Jehovah. Why would he?

Fortunately, there are a small minority who will have the intellect to see thru the nastiness, and wonder why we are such a target. I know of one, who probably would not have been drawn to study, had he not seen the garbage handed out by 'christians' against us, and how ridiculous the garbage was. HE and the small amount of others like him are the reason I even log on here. Jehovah touches their hearts, and if he is the only one EVER affected in such a way, it was well worth it.

Don't feel too discouraged, that's exactly what they want to accomplish.

My grandpa had a saying, don't let the turkeys get you down.You know who you are, you know the God you worship, and you know your future. Why be bothered by these guys?

Bubbles™

2009-07-13 09:01:31 UTC

Just been reading your profile, Jehovah's Witness for 12 years. I believe I have a broader perspective as a Witness and living in a religiously diverse family. My answers are my own and are not necessarily a reflection of all Witnesses views. I believe I base my answers on personal experience and observations. I welcome all genuine people with questions to forward their constructive comments. I discourage those who just want to argue from commenting me as they simply will be ignored.

Not sure what you mean by "My answers are my own and are not necessarily a reflection of all Witnesses views"

Can you please explain?

Personally, i dont think you should be asking questions like this on here!

2009-07-14 07:39:51 UTC

NO I would say Witnesses are masters of taking scripture out of context and their "bible" is not recognized in any christian circles. It is in fact a document written to support non christian dogma.

You are not in the "Truth" sorry, that is one to lifes most diffocult realities that I had to face.

Jehovah's Witnesses and their many false prophecies

The Witnesses make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, to be the only true representatives of God, to have the only correct biblical teaching, and to be the only true announcers of Jehovah's coming kingdom.

If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God's word, then what they say should prove to be true, especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. Following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, "Those are taken out of context," or "They didn't claim to be the prophet of God," or "The light is getting brighter and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now," etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses' literature.

Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy, and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.

In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.

IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET" -- "So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?...This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses...Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21.)

* 1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).

* 1899 "...the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).

* 1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).

* 1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).

* 1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).

* 1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).

* 1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).

* 1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).

* 1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).

* 1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time...and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).

* 1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's p

conundrum

2009-07-13 21:20:04 UTC

Jesus said he has a GOD- Other who claim to be christian say " NO WAY"

( John 20:17).

That is a twisted as it Gets.

Mommy of 3

2009-07-13 04:51:43 UTC

I'm sorry but the things that you have listed have nothing to do with twisting scriptures.

Granted there are some who have "misconceptions" about Jehovah's Witnesses, but you as a Jehovah's Witness are also taught "misconceptions" about other religions.

I used to be a JW, so I know that these are things you have been taught, but if they have been changed please feel free to correct this list:

Other religions don't teach true Christ like love ( this is utterly false)

Trinitarians believe Jesus is his own father ( this is false)

Christendom's bible have "hidden" God's name ( The word "Jehovah" doesn't appear in most bibles out of RESPECT, However, every version i have ever read puts LORD is CAPS when it has replaced YHWH, and they tell you they have done this in either the preface or appendix. The fact that YHWH appears in the Hebrew Scriptures is not hidden)

No other religions preaches ( this is false).

So, you see, misconception exist amongst all religions including your own.

Most misconceptions come from people who make a generalized statements without details.

For instance, your list above is actually true, but may be worded incorrectly.

1. The NWT disagrees with MOST other translation, even the Kingdom Interlinear (which you may not be familiar with depending on how "new" of a jw you are) word for word translation does not agree with the current NWT's translation of certain passages.

2. Most people who say this don't actually think you don't believe in Jesus, they are mainly referring to the fact that you don't believe Jesus is God (I have heard this one many times)

3. The Governing Body has made false prophesies.....(I'll leave that one alone)

4. Would you give your child blood transfusion to save their live? (I will leave that one alone)

5. Halls DON'T Have windows

2009-07-13 03:05:32 UTC

All denominations twist the scriptures because they have a list of beliefs to defend.

Small groups, on the other hand, can grow by changing when they learn new truth.

The Watchtower Watcher

2009-07-13 09:56:19 UTC

First the NWT is a poor translation and has been altered to support some of the doctrines. The Faith and Discreet slave is a false prophet. It is true that a witness will allow a child to die before giving blood. Again, that is based on false information about eating blood. The Witness belief is not the true religion and since they don't have the truth they cannot have God's favor. I agree read the Bible, not the Watchtower publications.

Keema

2009-07-13 06:35:01 UTC

Well, the KJV is written in old style english admittedly but the translators were pious scholars. Scholars! Well trained in the biblical languages. They prayed before each translation session and God did use them to preserve His word exactly as He said He would.

On the other had the NWT was done secretly by a bunch of men who had now knowledge of biblical languages. The book is so discombobulated that it would be an embarrassment for God to put His name on it. (no offense to you personally),

The entire bible is about Jesus. He said so Himself. The Psalmist said it and Hebrews says it. Jesus Christ is on every page, but the Watchtower organization has used a magic marker to either delete Jesus whenever possible or demote Him when not possible.

If a person is born again their sincere desire is to preach Jesus, spead His word and by the power of the Holy Spirit bring wrong doctrine into the light for exposure and examination.

Sadly, witnesses, even when confronted with the shady past of their org. ever changing light, new truth, past truth, ect...... will not admit anything.

Believe me, no one wants to hurt any JW, they only wish to help.

?

2009-07-13 12:12:14 UTC

I love squashing grapes for the cup is filled with perfect wrath. I gotta laugh at them all because its fun to make fun of stupid people and the only stupid people I know are christians who give lip service to the christ and unbeleivers even the demons are not stupid!!!

Zoey

2009-07-13 07:05:45 UTC

sorry brother this is a rant... ill have to report it... by the way you seem to have a slight anger problem. there are going to be lies about our religion no matter if you post angry rants on yahoo!answers or not. your kind of making yourself look bad (no offense)

2009-07-13 14:30:24 UTC

The accusation can't be applied to those who intrepret the Bible correctly AND IN CONTEXT. The Bible itself is perefect capable of answersing questions WITHOUT ANY OTHER PRINTED MATERIAL.

Then nwt or nuetered satanic translation has been altered to omit all references to the diety of Christ. On top of that your publications are condemned because they are ADDITIONS to Scripture.

You SHALL NOT ADD to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Deut 4:2

Maybe this is why there are so many sick jw's?

And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh. Ecc. 12:12

You are part of spirit of antichrist becuase you deny Christ as God. (1 Tim. 3:16, Jn. 1:1, 14, 10;30, Rev. 1;17-18)

For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. 2 Jn. 7

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 Jn. 9

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifested in the flesh,

Justified in the Spirit,

Seen by angels,

Preached among the Gentiles,

Believed on in the world,

Received up in glory. 1 Tim. 3:16

You and your cult would let children die rather than give them blood. Life itself exists in blood. If you read your Bible instead of cult material, you would know that.

For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’ Lev. 17:11

Only eating blood is forbidden, not transfusing it. To deny a child or anyone a transfusion could get you charged as an accessory to murder.

Halls are dark, but don't worry all deeds done in darkness will be brought to the light.

The "True" religion is not a religion, it is Jesus...aka The Truth (Jn. 14:6) Jesus didn't not start a publishing company that used slaves to sell material.

Take your own adivce, read a Bible that is approved and drop the cult material.

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. 2 Tim. 3:1-7

ROBERT P

2009-07-13 03:37:15 UTC

It is common knowledge that the NWT Bible is actually corrupt, being a sectarian paraphrase rather than a true translation of the Holy Scriptures. Also, if you deny the Holy Trinity, then you deny the very existence of God. This is much worse than an Atheist who does not believe in God. If you persist in denying the Trinity, then you are blaspheming God and you will have no salvation. I am not saying this to be nasty but it is the truth. I will pray for your conversion.

2009-07-13 04:22:42 UTC

Hang on a minute! How can the claim, Their halls have no windows, be connected to scripture-twisting? That's just an urban legend, based on the fact that many Kingdom Halls do not have windows visible from the street. Now the serious points...

You should be well aware of the translation problems with certain passages of the New World Translation. Scholars who have examined the words added to the text, or the words changed, have loads of evidence to explain why they think there are serious NWT distortions. To falsify the Word of God by adding, or changing words, is a grave charge, but if you want the evidence, there are books full of it!

JWs do not believe that the title "Son of God" is an ascription of deity. We know full well you are happy to call Jesus the Son of God, according to your understanding of that phrase. It does not mean the same to Trinitarian Christians. That is the point. Christians can use very many scripturess to demonstrate this, but if you are convinced your translation is accurate and others are false, you will call that 'scripture-twisting'.

The false prophet claim has also had entire books written about it. There is no need to allude to scriptures and twist them in order to make this charge. Watchtower Society publications are full of evidence. An 'anti-Christ' in the biblical sense is anyone who sets themselves up in opposition to Christ, by denying his deity. The JW faith has Jesus as a demi-god; a secondary god, yet one whom they refuse to worship! That is a denial of his deity.

You know full well many JW children have died for lack of parental permission to give them blood transfusions. You may feel this is a biblical stance, but many Christians can explain, from the Bible, without twisting any parts of it, that the only Greek scripture support JWs claim, has been taken out of context. But you would have to listen to their explanations to understand that. Are you prepared to listen?

big red

2009-07-13 04:11:39 UTC

No but Jehovah Witness do. You belong to a cult.

2009-07-13 03:06:24 UTC

since there are many well known cases of witnesses allowing children to die when a blood transfusion would have saved their life; and since many kingdom halls are indeed built without windows - i suppose you must be using a somewhat personal definition of 'lie' here.

when the rest of us say 'lie' we mean 'a deliberate untruth'.

what does it mean when a witness - such as yourself - uses the word?

2009-07-13 04:37:21 UTC

Whats not true about the following?

Their Bible is false -

Open to interpretation, it has been edited!! John 1:1 infamous alteration by JW's.

They don't believe Jesus is the Son of God -

You do believe he is the son of god and that he is just an angel called Michael, a messenger/prophet.

However if you deny the trinity you deny God full stop.

They are the False Prophet; Anti-christ -

Again open to interpretation, your governing body has falsely predicted the coming of the end a few times...and still waiting.

They would let their children die rather than give them blood -

Are you saying you wouldn't let your child die and you would break the WT (not scriptural) rule and give your child blood? If yes, you would be disfellowshipped, you know that!!

Their halls have no windows?! -

Many don't but that's more to do fear of vandalism presumably.

And not the slaughtering of chickens and goats :-)

You JWs are so far up your own arses you cannot see the truth staring at you.

You refer to ANY non JW as an apostate, liar, anti JW Cult etc etc... (Poto - perfect example) when you are "scripturally" taught to love all, are you not?

Your reading of the bible is dictated by a magazine sales company of which you guys are simply salesmen/women earning the leaders huge profits on your "daily missions" to spread the good news - and their bulging bank balances!!

Your holier than thou attitude and sheer disrespect for non believers is the reason you are classed as a cult and viewed as ignorant and arrogant and misled!!!!

Edit: Poto: Who rattled your cage? Oh, was it me? LOL

The blood thing - is about not eating blood, and ensuring blood is drained from animals before eating.

Transfusions weren't around then, did you not know that?

And it DOES matter that your governing body has made false prophesies, but not to me...coz I don't care.

I know I'm a good person, you are no better because you'ree a member of a magazine sales company and you pay your dividends to them...more fool you.

And POTO you can call me bad names as much as you like, but are you not meant to LOVE me?

Edit: Poto, You're such an angry, nasty, spiteful person...and you call yourself a follower of Christ and a true Christian? LOL

Hypocrisy at it's best!! people like you are the ones responsible for the negative comments made towards JWs. You elude that you are a non caring, sarcastic individual, not part of a loving group of caring people.

Edit: Poto, why do you become the literacy police when all else fails. You know I meant allude, I cant even be bothered to rectify my error though.

You are the only "JW" here so far that has to slate non JWs and you always do.

Every comment left by you will start with "Don't take notice of xyz... he/she is part of the anti JW cult"... I don't even know what that is.

It kinda sounds like you are admitting JWs are a cult but I'm from the "opposition"...Strange!

As the asker, your brother has made the mistake of posting this ridiculous post, you have made the mistake of answering -as you do!!

I wonder if your Jehovah really is proud of your actions and if you really are doing Gods work, helping to sway others and put off any potential wannabes...Be careful what you say Poto.

Edit: Ladywife: Fun to make fun of stupid people? Nice!!!!. Jehovah must be proud of his flock eh?

Big Guy 360

2009-07-13 04:02:02 UTC

I can't speak for all non-JW's but I can speak for myself. I do not twist scriptures and I do not make false accusations towards the JW's as you freely admit to doing by saying that we do and telling us that JW's do it equally. I do take offense in the regards that you in the insinuation that we (non-JW's) act like our father. To who do you refere to as our father, my heavenly father is God, the one whom you call Jehovah. If you wish to call me an "opposer" I wear that badge with honor. I would never belong to the cult like organization named the Jehovah's Witnesses. They follow their cult like organization with a jealousy of an andultress affair why their minds are blinded by "false truths" of their father. They can't read the bible and interpret it for themselves, they must have that watchtower magazine do tell them what it all means and this means they fall prey to the false doctrine of men and then you defend it, defending the lie of a false religion.

Proto, You make the case for the Non- JW very well, keep up the good work. Who is promoting the lies here? Not I !

I guess I need to ask the asker the same question "So why do they (the JW's) use lies if they are the True religion?

Theocratic warfare? Defend the lie!!

I read the bible almost every day, there are some days I don't for some reason or another. If there is a JW on here that says they read it daily, all the time and every day. I will show you someone whom lies!

Dreamstuff Entity

2009-07-13 02:59:15 UTC

All Christians "twist the scriptures" - otherwise they'd be forced to admit they're wrong.

The earth is nor fixed and unmovable, plants were not formed before the sun, and believers are not immune to poison.

But go ahead, fight amongst yourself to show us how ridiculous christianity is.

2009-07-13 13:26:34 UTC

(YES); Non-Witnesses DO "twist the scriptures" !

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X

2009-07-13 04:19:08 UTC

Non-Witnesses, such as Sasi and Big Guy (a member of the Anti-JW cult hate group trolling these boards) twist the scriptures all the time and constantly spread lies about Jehovah's Witnesses. But then again, they're following the example of their father, Satan, "the father of the lie". People in their cult are completely blinded and brainwashed into believing and adhering to falsehoods of men rather than the truth of God's word.

It's common knowledge that these individuals put their trust in the King James Version of the Bible, even though it is an established FACT that the translators of that version blatantly added verbiage to the scriptures (i.e. 1 John 5:7, 8) in order to try and give some support to the false doctrine of the "trinity". If a person accepts the trinity, they are denying the very existence of God himself.

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Let's go ahead and correct some of the statements listed by 'noiamnot' (a well known slanderer of Jehovah's Witnesses):

If you're going to claim John 1:1 is edited by JWs, then you also have to acknowledge the blatant editing in the King James Version. It is well-established in the realm of Bible scholars that the translators blatantly added verbiage to scriptures such as 1 John 5:7, 8 in order to try and support the garbage doctrine of the "trinity".

Whether the end date has been predicted incorrectly or not is irrelevant. Having wrong expectations is not indicative of a false religion, all it does is show a little overeagerness to "keep on the watch" as Christ commanded. In the end, we continue to remain watchful and continue to warn people of exactly what we need to be on the watch about.

Despite the idiotic claim that the JW stand on blood is "not scriptural", it is completely scriptural. "Abtain.......from blood" is what it says. It does NOT say "abstain.......from blood unless you or your child have been bullied by the medical community into thinking it's vital for your lives".

PURE CRAP STATEMENT: "Your reading of the bible is dictated by a magazine sales company of which you guys are simply salesmen/women earning the leaders huge profits on your "daily missions" to spread the good news - and their bulging bank balances!!"

TRUTH IS: Such an idiotic claim by these brainwashed Anti-JW culties has been made over and over again.....and never with any kind of support. All you get is this bigoted, opinionated comment they're programed to say over and over.

ANOTHER CRAP STATEMENT: "Your holier than thou attitude and sheer disrespect for non believers is the reason you are classed as a cult and viewed as ignorant and arrogant and misled!!!!"

TRUTH IS: There is no "holier than thou" attitude there. Only people filled with insecurity and self-loathing would make such a stupid claim. And it's again those same self-loathing and insecure people who would call JWs a cult when the word doesn't even remotely apply. You Anti-JW culties are the ones ignorant, arrogant, and horribly misled.

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LOL @ these ignorant people and their bigotry.

The "blood thing" is NOT solely about eating blood, otherwise it would have simply said that. It said "abstain.....from blood', which also covers and implies the not taking in blood into one's body.

No it doesn't matter that they've had wrong expectations. They haven't made any prophecies. I know that you're not a good person (your remarks in your countless posts against Jehovah's Witnesses is proof enough of that). "Magazine sales company".....just another idiot's claim.

Love you? The Bible says it's best not to "throw your pearls before swine". Take from that what you will. Even Jesus called people out as hypocrites and liars. We do the same.

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Sorry sweetness, but unlike yourself, I'm neither "angry", "nasty", or "spiteful" (all of which are hallmarks of people in your Anti-JW cult). I "elude" that, do I? I suggest you open a dictionary, look up that word, and then try again. LOL!

An Earthly Hope

2009-07-13 10:39:04 UTC

I don't worry about it because very soon Jehovah will take care of them. And I mean very soon!