Question:
Could Atheists be Wrong?
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Could Atheists be Wrong?
55 answers:
cata
2009-04-02 13:32:21 UTC
Yes, atheists could be wrong. But so could theists. As an atheist, I am fully allowed and capable of saying that I'm not 100% sure of the answers. Scientists have not claimed and will never claim to have all the answers. We're still working on it. Dawkins says he doesn't know how life began, because he doesn't know, and anyone who claims to know how life began is being ignorant. It's exactly the same with death...You can claim that you will go to either heaven or hell, but you don't know FOR SURE. And you won't know until you die and find out the ultimate secret of life.



P.S. There is a quote out there, I'm not sure who said it, but it goes something like this (for all of you who think scientists claim to have the truth)

" Science has never claimed to have the truth. Science is only the current realm of knowledge."
benitocanadian13
2009-04-02 13:30:40 UTC
Just because science doesn't have an answer today, doesn't mean science wont have an answer tomorrow. Unlike religion, science waits for proof to back a theory up before making a claim. Religion just explains the beginning of life by stating that some magic sky fairy did it. Scientific knowledge is an ever changing thing. As new info is gathered, theories develop and change. On the other hand, religion is static and non changing, claiming they have the answer and cannot possibly be wrong even in the face of overwhelming evidence of the inaccuracies of the bible.



There is nothing wrong with stating you do not have an answer. But there is something horribly wrong in claiming you have all the answers when you actually have none.
Ersa
2009-04-02 13:33:41 UTC
Everyone could be wrong. We can't know anything for certain. Science is as much a belief as Christianity. It's just easier to believe in science since science is all about what we are seeing and feeling whereas religions are about the unseen. Religion and Science are two sides of the coin called life.
Kathy P-W
2009-04-02 13:26:24 UTC
Er.. I am a theist who also embraces science. The two are not mutually exclusive, you know.



Just because Dawkins' answer was that no-one currently knows how life began doesn't mean the answer automatically is, "The Goddess gave birth to all life in a gush of her birth-waters" or some other theistically-minded explanation. The answer simply is: We don't know.. yet. Some day we will probably find out.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:27:34 UTC
No.



Science has proven all past gods non-existant, and it's only a matter of time until science proves this modern day god non-existant as well.



God seems more unrealistic since he is all knowing. Science seems more realistic because it can physically prove many things. Not knowing and admitting to not knowing is more of an intelligent answer

than saying you know absolutely everything. It's what a closed mind says.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:24:04 UTC
They could be wrong, but if any person lives an honorable life it will not matter.



A perfect deity would not be a jealous fool.



I had no idea that Ben Stein was an idiot until I saw 'Expelled'. Dawkins answered the question honestly. It is only the uneducated creationists who make claims based on fiction. "Goddidit" is an asinine answer.





The fool is any dumb@ss who clains the buy-bull is proof, when there is absolutely no evidence in existence that the buy-bull is anything more that complete man made nonsense.









"Imagine that, an atheist actually doing research rather that believing what they read in a book." - Fundie, 'No Chance Without Jesus' quote.



Talk about irony.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:33:15 UTC
Christians 'know' with absolute certainty that their judeo-christian god is 100% real, created everything, and is going to judge us all when we die.



Atheists don't believe that ANY gods are real, due to the complete lack of evidence to support their existence. Ironically - christians agree with atheists when it comes to all of the other deities that mankind has worshipped over the centuries. (Atheists just take it one god further).



So it's not really a matter of atheists being right or wrong, it's merely a statement of fact - no independently verifiable evidence = no belief.



For all we know, there might be some kind of higher intelligence in the universe - but it is highly improbable that it takes the form of a megalomaniacal sadist like the one described in the bible.



(edit: science is a self-correcting system - and unlike religion, science is capable of taking new information into account as we continue to expand our knowledge.)
?
2009-04-02 13:25:52 UTC
Yes, atheists could be wrong. And, so could theists. But, for sure, lots of myths in religions have been proven wrong.



The difference in the attitude is that most atheists say "I don't know" when they don't know. Theists say "God did it or God is the reason" when they don't know.



PS. Ben Stein is religiously biased. I would not take his points of view as solid if I were you.
Purple Monkey Dishwasher
2009-04-02 13:28:12 UTC
Ben Stein was arguing that Evolution is the theory for the creation of life ( which its not)



he said darwinism ( which doesn't exist) is believing that Lightning struck a puddle of mud to create life and condemns anyone who think life came from rocks ( even though it says in the bible Man was created from Dirt which are small rocks)



Ben Stein is a total moron in that pathetic attempt at a documentary.
?
2009-04-02 13:27:47 UTC
Nobody was there at "the beginning". There is absolutely no way of knowing for sure just how it all started. It boils down to "faith". One either has faith that a God created everything, or they have faith that it all started by itself with no outside influence at all. Either way, it takes faith.



I might also add that "science" is not wrong. The interpretation of science is often wrong, but science is science.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:33:18 UTC
I have almost always thought that. I truly believe that there is a margin where science and religion overlap not just one or the other.
CC
2009-04-02 13:42:33 UTC
It is an unreasonable position to assume that some god must have done it if we do not know the answer to something.



Science is regarded as the best explanation based on the evidence it provides. Religion has no evidence, just dogma.
Jane V.
2009-04-02 13:28:41 UTC
haha...no. I believe religion only exists because some people have no purpose in life and they believe they will fill that void by blindly following books that are not useful anymore. I don't believe that science proves everything but I am sure that the world is not controlled by an all mighty tyrant who creates human beings for the sole purpose of making them his slaves whose only purpose is to worship him and thank him for giving them life which is only meant to be devoted to him.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:28:55 UTC
1) Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed was really a pointed name at its viewers - one requires little to no intelliigence to be fooled and hoodwinked by the massive amounts of fallacies and lies in that craptastic film. I could not finish the film and turned it off when Stein began the fallacious argument that the Nazis are somehow inspired by Darwin...



2) Could atheists be wrong? Sure they could...but can you really call a belief "wrong" when it is a harmless belief? Either way, we could be just as wrong as Christians likely are - or as wrong as Creationists ARE wrong.



3) Appealing to or even mentioning Stein's POS propaganda film really demonstrates your ignorance, and contempt for atheists is also obvious in the way you describe Dawkins.
Batman
2009-04-02 13:30:40 UTC
If they are they will have the Lord to deal with on that not any human to judge them.



That is the mistake your all making your putting labels on each other and the worst of you could be better than you with the Lord by far.



A prostitute helped a dog that needed water it was going to die, she is promised heaven for that one deed.

A religious woman let a cat die in her care didn't feed it an didn't care for it, she is promised hellfire.... so you tell me what you think is a good deed and what is not.

The worst people I have ever met are those who are extreamly religious and those atheist everyone talks about I found to be sensable and reasonable to talk to. no matter what they believe that is their choice not yours.
Meh
2009-04-02 13:26:13 UTC
Why in the world would Dawkins know how life began? That's not his specialty. That clip just shows how stupid Stein is for asking.



Sorry, it would just take an idiot of enormous proportions to be convinced by that...
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:28:11 UTC
Given time science will come to a definite conclusion how life begin, religion never will. God did it is no answer at all.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:29:06 UTC
You see, the thing is, science can admit when it's wrong, science is always improving. Religion however is stuck in the past not wanting to move forward. Religion is dangerous and is usually abused.
me + books + music = happy
2009-04-02 13:30:06 UTC
We arent afraid to say we dont know the answers. Instead of making up stories to come up with an answer, we accept that the truth is not yet known.
Andrew K
2009-04-02 13:25:00 UTC
Just because I've never seen a chihuahua and a rotweiler mate, that doesn't mean I can't be 100% positive their offspring won't be a blue whale.

Even without knowing the origin of life I can still be 100% sure the answer isn't the Christian God based on what I do know about the nature of the universe.
Old Kid
2009-04-02 13:24:28 UTC
Atheism is simply a non belief in a god. It does not concern itself with the origin of the universe.They are two completely different things.

Stein tries to link them. He's an idiot!
meekless2001
2009-04-02 13:28:05 UTC
yes i will give you that. atheists, me included, could very well be wrong. everyone on the planet could be wrong too though.

but you know, the thing is that one day, again everyone on the planet will find out.everyone will die, and everyone will discover the truth when that happens.

and yes i still choose to not believe in any god or any religion.
Denny M
2009-04-02 13:24:40 UTC
Of course we could be wrong. There is just no evidence that suggests we are.



But Ben Stein's movie was ridiculous. And the question "How did life begin?" has absolutely nothing to do with evolution.
Champion of Knowledge
2009-04-02 13:26:54 UTC
Both are wrong; the theists believe in an afterlife and the atheists don't believe in anything supernatural.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:28:26 UTC
The obvious answer is yes. But we could be wrong too...



No human being is 100% SURE in this matter,
Laura
2009-04-02 13:23:52 UTC
Honey, we could all be wrong. It's called believing what makes sense to you.



By the way, I don't put down religion, only those who pay lip service to it while acting abominably. So "everyone" isn't putting down religion.



And Ben Stein isn't exactly the most intelligent man in the world. Speaking in a monotone doesn't make you smarter than everyone else.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:23:34 UTC
Ben Stein wrote speeches for Richard Nixon. Not exactly a credible source.



More importantly, it's a mistake to think people are holding up Science the way people hold up Religion.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:33:05 UTC
wtf are you talking about?



Dawkins is well aware that abiogenesis is what began life, he actually said he didnt know the origin of -matter-, and nobody does. He wasnt talking about life.



And he was talking about EXOGENESIS in the second part, not intelligent design



**** ben stein
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:24:15 UTC
If we currently don't know something it doesn't mean we won't know it later. It's an intellectual cop out to just say god did it and stop seeking answers to life's mysteries.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:23:52 UTC
Yes. There are different types of evidence, and atheists CHOOSE not to believe the evidence for Christianity.



First, it should be noted that the New Testament has stronger manuscript support than any other work of classical literature--including Homer, Plato, Aristotle, Caesar, and Tactus. There are presently more than 5,000 copies of Greek manuscripts in existence and as many as 20,000 more translations in such languages as Latin, Coptic, and Syriac. The earliest manuscript fragments can be dated to within a hundred years after Christ's death and resurrection. The accumulation of fragments is now so large that one can piece together most of the New Testament from fragments that are dated within two centuries of Christ's death and resurrection. This is amazing when you consider that only seven copies of Plato's Dialogues are in existence--and there is a 1,300 year gap which separates the earliest copy (eighth century AD) from the original writing (fifth century BC). Similarly, there are only 650 copies of Homer's Iliad (the bible of the ancient Greeks) in existence--and there is a 1000 year gap which separates the earliest copy (second century AD) from the original writing (eighth century BC).



Bart Ehrman has sought to negate the value of the manuscripts by arguing that "there are more differences among our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament." At first blush his argument seems to have credibility. A closer examination, however, demonstrates that it has little weight. Here's why:



Suppose you wrote an essay and asked five friends to produce a handwritten copy of it. Imagine further that each of them asked five friends to do the same. The five would make mistakes, and those who copy the copies would make additional errors. By the "fifth generation" you would have 4000 flawed manuscripts. Sounds pretty grim, right? But think with me for a moment. Your five friends made mistakes, but they didn't all make the same mistakes. If you compared the copies, you would find that one group contained the same mistakes, while the other four did not. This, of course, would make it easy to tell the copies from the original. Not only so, but most of the mistakes would be obvious--such as misspelled words or a missed conjunction. Even if you lost the original, as long as you had access to the copies, it would be a rather simple matter to reproduce the original piece.



That's essentiallly the situation with the New Testament. We've got thousands of copies, which have been classified by scholars into groups, and thus we can determine with great precision what the originals actually said. While it can be argued that there are differences in stlye and spelling among the various manuscripts, it cannot be asserted that there are significant differences in substance.

What is true of the New Testament is true of the Old Testament as well. The Dead Sea Scrolls (100 BC) discovered in the late 1940's predate what was then the earliest extant text--Masoretic (AD 900)--by some 1000 years. In other words, there is a full millennium during which the text might have been signifcantly altered. When the Masoretic text is compared to the Dead Sea Scrolls, differences in style and spellling were discovered but no significant difference in substance.



Furthermore, scripture is confirmed through the eyewitness testimony of its authors. Moses, for example, partici[ated in and was an eyewitness to the remarkable events of the Egyptian captivity, the Exodus, the 40 years in the desert, and Israel's final encampment before entering the Promised Land, all of which are accurately chronicled in the Old Testament. The New Testament has even stronger eyewitness authenticity. For example, Luke says that he gathered eyewitness testimony and "carefully investigated everything" (Luke 1:1-3). John writes, "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of Life" (1John 1:1). Likewise, Peter reminded his readers that the disciples "did not follow cleverly invented stories" but "were eyewitnesses of [Jesus'] majesty" (2 Peter 1:16). These were eyewitnesses, mind you, who were willing to testify to the point of shedding their own blood.



Then there are secular historians--including Josephus (BEFORE 100 AD), the Roman Tacitus (around AD 110), the Roman Suetonius (AD 110), and the Roman governor Pliny the Younger (AD 110)--confirm the many events, people, places, and customs chronicled in the New Testament. Early church leaders such as Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Clement of Rome--all writing before AD 250--also shed significant light on the historical accuracy of the New Testament. From such sources one can piece together highlights of the life of Christ indepent of the Bible. As such, credible historians today concede that the Bible is a remarkable historical document.

Source(s):

Excerpts from "Confronting the New Village Atheists" by Hank Hanegraaff,

his website is: http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaMNJrE/...



Hank also answers Bible questions on a Nationally syndicated Radio program called "The Bible Answer Man"

Check his website to find a station in your area.



Recommended Reading: The Case for Christ by Lee Stroebel



Yes, atheists are wrong.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:25:58 UTC
How did you equate not knowing how life began with science not being provable?
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:25:42 UTC
"I like how everyone puts down religion and lifts Science up as the answer".



Ironic how you typed that on a computer instead of just praying we hear and understand it in our hearts, isn't it?
klc101
2009-04-02 13:25:07 UTC
To state that you know that god does or does not exist would be stupid...nobody knows. Besides atheism answers the question of what you believe, not what you know.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:24:00 UTC
yes its possible.

just like its possible that unicorns do exist.

Just because no one has ever proven there is a god, does not mean their isn't one.

The problem is that believing things for no reason is not healthy in a democracy.
novangelis
2009-04-02 13:24:34 UTC
They could be, but until proven wrong, they have the advantage when it comes to honesty.
donutkid: hammer of Thor
2009-04-02 13:24:06 UTC
Anyone could be wrong and I don't think many atheists claim to be infallible.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:23:51 UTC
Saying you don't know is better than making some sh!t up.



If someone says they know the answer to that question, they are lying.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:24:21 UTC
Sure we could be, but that still doesn't mean yo ulot are right.



If we are wrong it would be to something no one has thought of yet
NOOBLMAO
2009-04-02 13:23:59 UTC
We don't have all the knowledge and we admit that we don't.



What Christians have regarding the deep questions about life and the universe is faith, not knowledge. They don't admit/realize that there's a difference.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:23:38 UTC
What? So, If you disprove Evolution (That is not happening) that makes the Creation story in the Mayan Popol vuh true. Thanks for that.



I'm not an Atheist, and I admit I don't know how life begin. Evolution explains the diversity of life, not the origin. I don't know things about Physics, so the space Shuttle must be tossed into to space by God by your logic, or lack there of.
No Chance Without Jesus
2009-04-02 13:24:39 UTC
The problem isn't science



The problem is the hyperspace jumps to conclusions these people fantasize about with the limited facts at hand.



When ever anyone begins to spout a conclusion on an incomplete set of facts (like evolution) they brand themselves a fool
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:22:59 UTC
Ben's point relied on the fallacy of argumentum ad ignorantiam, a fact I'm sure he was aware of.



Intellectual dishonesty for the win.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:30:27 UTC
Atheists are always wrong.
?
2009-04-02 13:24:18 UTC
Of course we could be wrong.
~stuck in California~
2009-04-02 13:23:29 UTC
Yes, we can be wrong and we admit it, though the chances are slim. Very slim. Like non-existent. Just because we do not know how things came to being (yet) does not mean that goddidit.
RustyLime69
2009-04-02 13:24:13 UTC
Ben Stein is an idiot and his movie is just REALLY stupid.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiNGK3y5Ypg&feature=PlayList&p=65551DA1112D82C7&index=42
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:22:54 UTC
Religion claims to know everything. Science does not.



The thing is... we know for a fact that the religions are wrong. So we can safely move on to the next subject.
GMM
2009-04-02 13:22:52 UTC
They could be wrong. But, if you think about it, the religious could be wrong too...
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:23:07 UTC
You're seriously going to use that crap movie as a reference? Propaganda much?
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:22:43 UTC
Remember, "god" is nothing more than a nonsense word created by man to explain away all of the things we can't yet understand.



Religion is a disease of the mind, born of fear, which has done nothing but bring untold misery down upon the human race.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:22:35 UTC
Are Theists DEFINITELY Wrong?
mimjoy
2009-04-02 13:25:04 UTC
yes I believe they are.
God is Good!
2009-04-02 13:23:42 UTC
Sure.
Maggie
2009-04-02 13:23:27 UTC
I know how life began, just like the Bible states. And yes atheists are wrong.
anonymous
2009-04-02 13:23:20 UTC
yes we know they are and atheism wont save anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!


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