Question:
The Plagues that ransacked Egypt...?
anonymous
2009-01-15 01:38:53 UTC
So, even though I'm an atheist, I still read the Bible, and the only book I like in the whole thing is Exodus. But I've always been curious as to why God wanted to cause the Plagues in Egypt, so today, I went digging in the Bible and online sources.

Apparently, God's intentions of causing the plagues were not noble, good OR right:

EX 7:1, 14, 9:14-16, 10:1-2, 11:7

The purpose of the devastation that God brings to the Egyptians is as follows:

-to show that he is Lord;

-to show that there is none like him in all the earth;

-to show his great power;

-to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth;

-to give the Israelites something to talk about with their children;

-to show that he makes a distinction between Israel and Egypt.

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Ignoring the fact that these plagues were never recorded in Egypt, what do you guys think of this? God is all-loving and All-Righteous, yet He destroys Egypt in an attempt to show people that He is God?

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Another thing I'd like to ask:

God allows Adam and Eve to be deceived by the Serpent (the craftiest of all of God's wild creatures). They eat of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil," thereby incurring death for themselves and all of mankind for ever after. God prevents them from regaining eternal life, by placing a guard around the "Tree of Eternal Life." (Note: God could have done the same for the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" in the first place and would thereby have prevented the Fall of man, the necessity for Salvation, the Crucifixion of Jesus, etc.)

Since God is supposed to be all-loving and All-knowing, don't you think that he would try to protect his loved ones from harm by creating a way to stop his loved ones from getting near their downfall? Similar to a parent who would put dangerous tools out of reach of their children?
Seventeen answers:
anonymous
2009-01-15 01:43:53 UTC
It makes a lot more sense if you look at it as events that really did take place but Jews made out that these events were done by their god because the Egyptians weren't nice to the Jews. The same thing is going on today; there are Jews that think the bombing of Gaza by the Israeli army is the vengeance of their god on the Muslims.
mrglass08
2009-01-15 02:16:24 UTC
You also need to understand something else in Exodus, each of the plagues was specifically meant to discredit one of the Egyptians main Gods and so the display had to continue until that was accomplished. Also, it was not only God who hardened Pharaoh's heart but he did it himself on multiple occasions and the plagues themselves were also judgment for the treatment of the Hebrews.



As for the fact of their lack of recording in Egyptian materials, you realize you are talking about a people that systematically destroyed things about their past that they were embarrassed about to make it seem like it never happened? So why would a people like that keep records of such a terrible time of humbling and destruction? It would make no sense if we found widespread writings and references to them because then they would be obvious forgeries.



As for Adam and Eve, no he did not prevent them from attaining eternal life, by placing a guard around the Tree of Life he prevents them from having eternal life in their fallen condition so that the work of salvation by Christ can occur. In fact the earliest prophesy of the Messiah takes place in the Garden during the time when God is explaining the punishment to Eve. Also, do not think of Adam and Eve as mere children, they were told the consequences of their actions and understood them well and willfully decided to be disobedient.



If you really want to talk about these things send me an e-mail.
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2016-05-28 10:38:23 UTC
The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition plagues of Egypt in the Bible, the plagues and other troubles brought on Egypt by God through the hands of Moses, because Pharaoh would not let the people of Israel go out of Egypt. The account, in the Book of Exodus, tells how Pharaoh relented each time until the plague was removed, then hardened his heart; in the end he let the children of Israel go, only to pursue them into the Red Sea. The plagues were 10 in number: plague of blood by which the waters of Egypt were turned to blood; plague of frogs; plague of lice; plague of flies; plague of murrain, by which all the cattle of Egypt and...
anonymous
2009-01-15 01:57:31 UTC
"memphis_class_hishoe: The reasons God gave for releasing the plagues are not Good, Noble or Right. It's a way of showing off, a way to show people that He's great. That's not Noble, nor Good, nor Great.



Maybe to you, it sounds great. but it's WRONG"



Hmm, i dont remember Jesus...ever "showing off". Throughout the bible, God punishes those for their sins. The egypts sinned. They were punished. If this is the best you can come up with....for not having faith...i feel for you.



If you want proof in the bible, live life believing it...and you'll understand its true. Everything in the bible is true....we were born sinners...with the desire to do more evil than good. And only through God are we able to be good.



I have faith. I live life, and I know its true.



Pagan Religions (scientific pantheism, budaism), Atheism, and Christian/Muslim/Jews came from one location...and are also explained in the bible.



There...its your one source for EVERYTHING..its called the Bible.
ex nihilo
2009-01-15 01:48:27 UTC
I'll answer honestly to a question that was asked dishonestly:



Since you read the Bible, I'm sure you'll see that the theme that runs throughout God's relationship with Israel is that He keeps His promises. Egypt enslaved the Hebrews out of fear of their growing power. Yes, Pharaohs thought they were God, so the real God decided to demonstrate their complete powerlessness. It is completely consistent, and if you disagree, please post another question that is more researched.



Regarding your other question, read up on the concept of "free will". I hope you find it illuminating, but I get the feeling you'll get bored and say the whole thing is stupid.
Sinner
2009-01-15 01:44:09 UTC
I really would like to give you a proper answer, but I just don't have the patients.



Edit: Okay this guard around the tree of life, do you know what it could be, what if it was something like a body of water(the ocean) or a mountain(on top of the tree). How can you place a guard like that when people lives there?



That could possibly be the reason behind.



But I don't know, one day maybe God will tell us.
anonymous
2009-01-15 01:48:25 UTC
He destroyed Egypt to free His covenant people.He was bound by covenant to do that.It was the Egyptians that would not let them go . and it was the Egyptians that abused the Israelies.It was even an Egyptian that caused the final plague. Moses told Pharoah that the last plague would come out of his mouth. He ordered the death of the firstborn of Israel. He reaped what he sowed.
ljhlah
2009-01-15 01:46:37 UTC
they were wicked and needed to be shown whos boss basically. it was important for them to change their ways and obviously had to be done it what seems callous way. they needed to pass on to generations what happened to them so if wasnt done again. People have the right to choose. Thats god given, but such a group which does outwardly wicked things need to be shown example to others. God does have a tolerance level just like parents. Sodom and Gomora is another example-it was too wicked and the people to far gone-he set an example for others. the tree of adam and eve was meant to happen so we could have full human bodies, be able to procreate and have choices in life, right or wrong, but you'll pay for the choices you make,, even if it isn't decided by God.
euhmerist
2009-01-15 02:24:50 UTC
Just like spoiled children the only way man wants God to prove His existence and power is for Him to serve man by giving him everything he wants but nothing he doesn't want. Man doesn't want to realize that because God is his creator God is the boss. Man doesn't want to suffer consequences of his own ignorant actions. Man does not want to suffer being responsible for his own actions. I'm sorry to report (not really) that as God IS the creator He owns everything - including us. There is a consequence to every action. If we choose not learn by the consequences of our own actions that's on us. If you don't like it that God runs things then just see if YOU can. What good is it going to do to disagree and fight against God? What have we to gain? He has revealed Himself to us. If we don't want to recognize Him - that's on us! If you want Egypt's non record of events to be the authority then go ahead and worship Egypt! He also takes credit for influencing Cyrus the Great to commission the rebuilding of Jerusalem. He also takes credit for placing each country's leader in power. Go ahead and BE upset - see if that changes it. You, and MANY others, don't want to have a boss. You don't want God as boss. Go ahead! Man has been making his own religions, governments, and economic systems ever since the Garden. How's that working out? All the instructions are in the Bible for making the calendar, judicial system, government, and health practices. But man wants to do things his own way. God is just beginning to punish us for our childish rebellion against Him. He WILL win! We will either accept Him as our boss or we will be burned up with the rest of the trash!
anonymous
2009-01-15 01:53:23 UTC
He sent the plagues so the Pharaoh would release His people from bondage.The Israelites.
The Doc
2009-01-15 01:46:50 UTC
C'mon, look at the 10 commandments, you have to get down to 3 or 4 (depending on how you count) before he starts talking about anything but non compete clauses. The first commandment isn't against murder, or rape, or lying, it's against other gods being worshiped. The OT god is WAY more interested in personal benefit than justice, or the people who worship him.
anonymous
2009-01-15 01:43:34 UTC
Well the Africans of Egypt should of let the Hebrew Slaves free I am sure you can find some evidence of them,



Again, for the Godzillinth time God created man with free will, sigh...
anonymous
2009-01-15 01:43:34 UTC
Like I have said on occasion, paraphrasing Woody Allen: The best you can say of God is that he's basically an underachiever.



Let's face it, his creation failed out of the gate. Right out of the gate!



In his defense, it can be added that he thankfully never did any of these things.
Justin C
2009-01-15 01:45:05 UTC
The god of the bible is psychotic.
anonymous
2009-01-15 01:58:33 UTC
The bible is a collection of fables and can't be taken literally.
lillie
2009-01-15 02:45:27 UTC
(1) In his dealings with humankind, Jehovah God has patiently allowed individuals and nations, although deserving of death, to continue in existence. (Ge 15:16; 2Pe 3:9) Whereas some have responded favorably to this by putting themselves in line for receiving mercy (Jos 2:8-14; 6:22, 23; 9:3-15), others have hardened themselves to an even greater degree against Jehovah and against his people. (De 2:30-33; Jos 11:19, 20) Since Jehovah does not prevent persons from becoming stubborn, he is spoken of as ‘letting them become obstinate’ or ‘making their hearts hard.’ When he finally does execute vengeance upon the stubborn ones, this results in a demonstration of his great power and causes his name to be declared.—Compare Ex 4:21; Joh 12:40; Ro 9:14-18.



A case in point is what God did in connection with the Pharaoh who refused to let the Israelites leave Egypt. Jehovah brought ten devastating plagues upon the land of Egypt. Each time that Pharaoh hardened his heart after a certain plague ended, Jehovah used this as an opportunity to demonstrate his great power still further by other miracles. (Ex 7:3-5, 14–11:10) Therefore, some of the Egyptians came to realize that Jehovah is a God who has to be obeyed. For example, when the seventh plague was announced, even some of Pharaoh’s servants saw to it that their own servants and livestock were safely sheltered before the destructive hailstorm began. (Ex 9:20, 21) Finally, when Pharaoh, after having released the Israelites, again made his heart obstinate and mustered his forces to wreak vengeance upon them (Ex 14:8, 9; 15:9), Jehovah destroyed him and his army in the Red Sea. (Ex 14:27, 28; Ps 136:15) For years afterward, God’s name was declared among the nations as they talked about what Jehovah did to the Egyptians on account of their stubbornness.—Ex 18:10, 11; Jos 2:10, 11; 9:9; 1Sa 6:6.





So it was not that Jehovah 'hardened' Pharaoh's heart,but the message from Jehovah caused Pharaoh to harden his own heart. Jehovah’s message and Jehovah’s dealings with the Egyptians caused Pharaoh to react in hard stubbornness and anger; and since the message and dealings were from Jehovah he may be said to have indirectly hardened Pharaoh’s heart. (Ex. 7:3; 8:15, 32) Another illustration of this principle is where Jehovah told Isaiah to “make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes”; he, Isaiah, was not to do this literally, but the message he declared made these rebellious ones unreceptive because it did not please them. (Isa. 6:10) .



(2) Jehovah God created the first human pair perfect and designed them to live forever.He placed them in a beautiful garden paradise and told them to fill the earth with offspring.It was not God’s thought that Adam should die and leave the Paradise of Eden neglected. The earth was not to be left uninhabited by humankind. God set before Adam the opportunity for eternal life on earth in the Paradise of Eden. This, however, was dependent upon Adam’s eternal obedience to his Creator and God. God put no disobedient leanings, no sinful tendencies, in Adam. God endowed his earthly son with the godlike qualities of justice, wisdom, power and love, with a perfect moral sense. However, in recognition of His own sovereignty over all the universe, it was proper for God, without any suspicions toward Adam, to test this earthly son of His. The test that he put upon Adam was a very small limitation of his freedom.

Gen.2:16,17 reads:“And Jehovah God also laid this command upon the man: ‘From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die."

Here the great Life-Giver set before his son Adam the prospect of either eternal life or eternal death. Disobedience to his divine heavenly Father would lead to positive death for Adam for time eternal. Loving obedience as of a son to a father would result in eternal life.



Both Adam and Eve had already taken in plenty of knowledge before they disobeyed the law at Genesis 2:16, 17. Their Creator, Jehovah himself, was directly involved in their education. For instance, he brought all animals and birds to the man for him to name them. (Genesis 2:19, 20) .



By eating of that fruit, what were they doing? The New Catholic Encyclopedia timidly suggests: “It could have been, simply, an open defiance of God, an insolent refusal to obey Him.” Is that not what Genesis clearly says? Romans 5:19 confirms the point: “By one man’s disobedience many were made sinners.” (The New Jerusalem Bible) The original sin was an act of disobedience.



While a sin of disobedience may seem simple on the surface, consider its profound implications. A footnote in The New Jerusalem Bible puts it this way: “It [the knowledge of good and bad] is the power of deciding for himself what is good and what is evil and of acting accordingly, a claim to complete moral indepe
Mary Magdalene is my mom
2009-01-15 01:54:57 UTC
I will answer you briefly lifted from the Bible:



"My thoughts are not your thoughts; my ways are higher than your ways."


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