Question:
Ten questions for Christians?
Brazilian Atheist
2010-04-11 06:49:23 UTC
1.) Biblical Law. Matthew 5:17-18 says quite clearly that Jesus demands Christians follow Old Testament law completely, to the smallest possible point. Why don’t they?

2.) Infanticide. The modern Christian churches of the world tend to gloss the fact that God is a child killer—the 10th plague in Egypt—and say that Jesus set this right. Ignoring for a moment that the crucifixion is just one more child killing to fulfill God’s will, why does Jesus say he also will kill children in Revelation 2:23?

3.) Fact or Allegory. The Bible says the Earth is between 6,000 and 8,000 years old, that it was created in 7 days, and that Man is made of dirt and Woman a piece of Man. Most churches today say that this is allegory. What passages of the Bible support it all being just allegory?

4.)Needle’s Eye. Jesus said rich men don’t go to Heaven easily and even implied that it wasn’t possible. Why are so many people with money and property Christian if they are probably going to Hell?

5.)Apocrypha and Biblical Revisions. The Bible of 400 CE and the Bible today differ by dozens of chapters and thousands of parts. Which Bible is the word of God and why does man edit it?

6.)Born Fallen. Even in this global age there are millions of persons who never hear the Good News. We are born in sin. Do some go to Hell just because of their birth circumstances?

7.)Graven Images. Isn’t wearing the cross and making statues and movies of the life of the Christ a violation of the 2nd Commandment? “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…”

8.)Inquisitions, Crusades, Witch Trials. Historians put the number of those killed and executed by Christian churches at between 2 and 15 million; mostly Jews, witches/pagans, and Muslims. Do Christians retain this murderous nature? If not, why not?

9.) Turn the other Cheek. Jesus instructs the saved to love and to forgive even deadly insults (Matthew 5:44: “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,” et cetera). Why do no prominent Christian leaders to follow this?

10.) Free will. Freedom to choose is given to man by God. Man has two main choices: 1) accept the Love of God and, upon death, go to paradise for eternity, 2) Refuse God and, upon death, just die, be utterly damned. How is that freedom of choice when it is the same thing as a gun to your head?
Thirteen answers:
ministeringinlove
2010-04-11 07:47:41 UTC
1. Jesus is saying that the Law is not abolished by Him coming; instead, it is the Law, which condemns and makes necessary the saving grace of God's love through the perfect and final sacrifice of Jesus. The condition of man was laid out clearly in that we are sinners who have been saved by God's mercy (Romans 3:22-26), yet we are still given the expectation that we must be obedient. Ultimately, though, we are not instantly perfected, but are [being] conformed to the likeness of the Son (Romans 8:29).



2. Revelations 2:23: "I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds."



In the context: "Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways." (Revelation 2:20-22)



In the [proper] context, God is saying that He will strike those who follow after her dead, not that they are necessarily her physical children; this misunderstanding is borne from specifically looking for particular verses to support your judgment (a person looking for the negative will, no doubt, find something they perceive to be negative). If this is not satisfactory to you, though, please consider Jesus, when He spoke of the children of the devil (John 8:42-47).



3. The Bible does [not] specifically date the creation of the earth. People offer calculations using multiple different methods and arrive at a multitude of answers, but if it was of any particular concern, it would provide a definitive answer. The only area of concern is that we accept that God created this world.



4. Wealth =/= condemnation for anyone. The taint of wealth is what is being done with the wealth. Remember the young man who followed the law to the letter and asked Jesus what must be done? Jesus tells the man to sell his possessions and the man walks away sad (Matthew 19:16-30).



5. I declare that you are going to have to substantiate this claim before it can be accepted.



6. No one can specifically answer whether one person is in hell or not. We know the requirements for salvation, but that is pretty much it. If you do not submit to Christ Jesus, then there are dangerous consequences through condemnation. I would also argue that the truthfulness of finding a large population of individuals who never hear the Gospel is suspect. If I am not mistaken, there are missionaries in [every] country and many countries have been witnessed since the beginning.



Next, though, we are also warned that what matters has been known from the beginning out of what is seen (Romans 1:20).



7. I tend to agree with this to a small point. Art, while used as an outlet of expression, was also a commonly used outlet to record history. The scripture, though, seems to qualify the "graven image" command by commanding that we do [not] bow before them and worship (Exodus 20:5).



8. Man possesses a murderous nature, which is why it is said that there are two sides which are at conflict with each other: the flesh and the spirit. Sadly, though, there are both wheat and chaff in the church, which results in some of the chaff pursuing leadership roles and, consequently, misleading many folds in the flock.



9. What prominent Christian leaders do you refer to? I will agree, though, from the eyes of a saved man in Christ Jesus that one of the biggest issues is the concept of "self-defense." While protecting others is okay, self-defense is a defiance of the concept of "turning the other cheek."



10. This is an error. The answer, since our fall, was [always] condemnation, yet God gave us another way. A better example than what you provided is starting a class where each student begins with an "F" and works their way up through the work they perform. While we are not "salvation by works," we start with the position of condemnation because of our inherent sin.



If you or anyone wishes to discuss this further, please email me.
tjsgigante
2010-04-11 07:16:31 UTC
1. Because the Mosaic law was fulfilled with the resurrection of Christ. For example, you'll notice that many things changed for Christians following the resurrection of Christ--such as what was clean and unclean and adhering to other Mosaic Laws.



2. If God is really God, then He has a purpose for all He does, but I don't believe He simply kills without good and just reason. This is one question that I'll read about a little more.



3. Some translations of the Bible refer to it as 7 periods, not days. If that's the case, who's to say how long each period was. What does matter, is that God was in charge of the whole process.



4. Rich men, He didn't say it was impossible, he just said it was very very difficult.



5. Yes those Bibles are different. I believe it was because the original Christian church fell into apostasy and the revelation that guided that church was lost (with the deaths of the 12 apostles). Without that guiding revelation, doctrines of men crept into the Bible and now we have a slightly confusing mess.



6. I'm a Mormon, I believe that everybody will get a chance to hear the gospel and choose to accept it, or reject it--in this life, or in a place called "the Spirit World", where Christ went and preached to the dead prior to his resurrection and after his death. See 1 Peter 3. http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_pet/3/19#19



7. Graven images imply worshiping said images. While I don't have a cross around my neck, I believe such things are mere tokens of remembrance and do not approach veneration. I suppose I could be wrong about that.



8. See my previous answer about the apostasy of the Early Christian Church. With that loss of revelation, horrendous things happened in the name of Christ--because of human nature, not because of Christ. That being the case, elements of that, exist within all of us, not just Christians. It should be the true Christian goal to rid oneself from that fallen human nature--and become like Christ, by following Him.



9. I could think of a few leaders in the past that exemplified this. I believe that MLK Jr. did a great job with this, I believe that Thomas S. Monson does this as well. All Christians should do this, based on what they know. But sometimes what we do, isn't always reflective on what we know.



10. Being a Mormon, I have a slightly different concept of the after life then simply heaven and hell, eternal felicity and eternal misery. I believe that we will all ultimately end up in a kingdom of glory where we will all enjoy a degree of happiness. The amount of glory and happiness is a result of the choices that we make prior to that judgment, especially here in mortality.



There are reasons that people choose to do one thing or another, sometimes it is because they want the reward, or maybe it's because they fear the punishment. The highest reason that I can think of, is because of love for fellow man and God.
CassandraofTroy Philosopher
2010-04-11 07:14:57 UTC
1. You got the reference wrong. It is actually Matthew 5: 19-20.



Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.



18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.



19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus said. "I was not referring to the ceremonial or purity laws, which I ignored when I needed to. I healed on the Sabbath day, and did other things the Pharisees objected to. I am referring to the laws of justice."



2. Infanticide. I already explained in another thread that the firstborn males in Egypt slept in the house on the ground floor on low beds. It is theorized that carbon dioxide emissions from a cascade of earthquakes suffocated them. They weren't all infants either. It's funny, when Pharoah kills the first born males of the Hebrews, you say nothing. Pharaoah could have prevented it all. Blame him.



3. Where does the Bible specifically say this? This number is an inference drawn from some very odd calculations. You are lying and you know it.



4. You know very well what Jesus meant. The Rich are caught up in this world. They will not take off their burden (money) in order to kneel down and crawl through the Eye of the Needle. That is the metaphor Jesus is using. Grow up.



5. Actually most of the Bible that we know now, (the dead sea scrolls version of Isaiah does not differer in significant ways from what we have now. You don't have a Bible from 400 BC, so how can you make comparisons. Once again, you are lying.



6. Many Christians believe that the gospel is constantly preached to those in Hell, or wherever their astral life is.

7. A Graven Image is a thing that has been enchanted with a spirit for the purpose of worship and you know it. Jewelry is not a Graven Image, nor is art if it is not worshipped as a God. Icons are also not Graven Images.

8. Inquisitions? Yes, The Devil hates the church and constantly populates the earthly church (not the spiritual body) with his servants. I would be very suprised if the church ceased to be attacked in this way.

9. Jesus was telling a Jewish joke. "You might as well give you you cloak, coat, and staff, because this dude is nasty."

10. How is that a gun to your head? If I said to you. "Follow this road in the desert, there is a spring ten miles ahead. The other road leads to death because there is no water" and you choose the death road. Why is that a gun to your head? I had mercy on you and warned you.
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2010-04-11 07:07:19 UTC
Ten questions! You’ve gotta be kidding?! I’ll do No. 1!



1.) Biblical Law. Matthew 5:17-18 says quite clearly that Jesus demands Christians follow Old Testament law completely, to the smallest possible point. Why don’t they?



Very complicated question. Shortly put, he didn’t say that Christians should follow the OT law completely, just that none of it would disappear. The OT law splits up into 3 main types: sacrificial law (sacrifices/temple etc.); ceremonial law/food law etc (don’t eat prawns, get rid of mildew) and moral law (don’t murder etc).



So, the sacrificial law had a purpose, and the purpose was to highlight human sinfulness, to emphasise that it could only be forgiven through sacrifice, and to point to Jesus as the only one who could forgive it – thus these law’s are complete (“It is finished”!) because Jesus came and made the final sacrifice so they’re no longer needed



The food/ceremonial laws were largely to separate off the Jewish people as God’s chosen people – to make them look different to the nations they were in so they wouldn’t mingle with God’s enemies. But at the cross God’s offer of salvation is extended to all who believe in Jesus – thus there is no need for these law’s any more (Acts 10)



But the moral laws reflect God’s unchanging character. So these continue to apply today.
Jo-ann
2016-04-15 03:14:03 UTC
God what an idiot. But on the other hand one who asks these questions is seeking God. It is called prevenient grace. God reaching out to you to stir your soul. 1. No one knows. Buddhists do not concern themselves with questions that have no answer. 2. You ask a question for which there is no proof. 3. You sure ask a lot of questions and tell us how we cannot answer. Not all Christians are anti gay. Those that are misunderstand the scriptures. 4 People have molded God and religion to meet their needs. God is not as you think God is. You don't yet know enough about God to be this pissed off. 5. The Bible was written during a time women were property. What can you learn and teach others about that. 6 See #4 above 7 The universe was created by some force with a balance of good and evil. What are you going to do about it? You can make the world better if you want to rather than being all pissy 8. You don't understand the devil. Satan is like a prosecuting attorney in the heavenly court. Read the fist few chapters of Job. 9 Here again you and many Christians misunderstand God. He does not do that. God works in all things for good with those who wish God's presence in their life. 10. Again, God does not work the way you were raised in a ridged environment. I don't know what you went through but I too as have so many others gone through hell on this earth. I don't want to convert you, could care less. Oh and Jesus was a guy like you and me and worked to change the evil in his time. He was not God and did not raise from the dead but we can learn a lot from his teaching. Much of which was generated by followers decades after his death. If you want to understand God understand this, Love your neighbor. Thats all there is too it and that is what the entire Bible boils down to.
Hannah
2010-04-11 07:27:39 UTC
1.17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.



18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.





In 17 he says that HE came to fulfill the law and in 18 he says that not one jot or tittle shall pass till all be fulfilled. It was fulfilled at calvary when Jesus said "It is finished" and gave up the ghost.



2. 20Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.



21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.



22Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.



23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.



First of all, you assume that because the Bible refers to the death of all the first born in Egypt that they were all children. Some of them were probably full grown. This plague, just as the scripture you are referring to comes as judgement AFTER God gave warning and a space for repentance. See the thing with atheists is that they want to do their own thing and choose not to believe in a God who will sentence them to death and warns them of his coming judgement. Then they want to turn around and say that He is unfair, or unjust for keeping His word.



3. No I don't believe that it is an allegory, neither does my chuch.



4.The eye of the needle is the gate into the city that the camels could only fit through if they went on their knees, and they first had to be unpacked. This shows that it is difficult, but not impossible..



5. I use the King James Version. Been the same for years, no editing being done.



6. Titus 2:11

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,



7. Yes.



8.Not every person that claims to be a Christian is actually living what they should be living.



9. See answer to number 8 for this question also.



10. It is a choice. You are free to decide. I don't understand the question. You choose not to choose life but you are mad at God because you know what the promised end of that decision is? Why be mad? Accept your choice, or choose differently. It is up to you. That IS freedom.
2010-04-11 06:56:56 UTC
1) they follow false interpretations of Pauls teachings, superceeding jesus 100% always



2) cuz he can



3) page 9



4) again, paul cancels jesus. jesus cancelled moses.



5) its perfect as is, right now



6)Romans 20



7)Yes, but they are so darn cute!



8) no its part of their glorious past though



9) cuz revenge is sweet



10) you can choose hell if u like.





Dissapointed....no Easter/Christmas/Sabbath criticizms.



see www.mashiyach.com to prove all Christianity wrong, on their terms. Not logic, using the Bible.
Black Tensegrity Warrior
2010-04-12 04:33:04 UTC
I'm sorry, but if you ask ten questions, you are going to have to give up FIFTY POINTS.

This is only fair. A person deserves to be paid good money for good answers to questions like these.

I don't have time to answer all of them.





(1.) MATTHEW 5:13-20.



13. "Ye are the Salt of the Earth:

but if the salt have lost his savour,

wherewith shall it be salted?

it is thenceforth good for nothing,

but to be cast out,

and to be trodden under foot of men.

14. "Ye are the Light of the World.

A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15. "Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel,

but on a candlestick; and it giveth light

unto all that are in the house.

16. “Let your light so shine before men,

that they may see your good works,

and glorify your Father Which is in Heaven.

17. "Think not that I am come

to destroy The Law, or The Prophets:

I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18. "For verily I say unto you,

'Till Heaven and Earth pass,

one jot or one tittle shall in no wise

pass from The Law,

till all be fulfilled.'

19. "Whosoever therefore shall break one

of these least Commandments,

and shall teach men so,

he shall be called The Least in The Kingdom of Heaven:

but whosoever shall do and teach them,

the same shall be called Great in The Kingdom of Heaven.

20. "For I say unto you,

'That except your Righteousness shall exceed

the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees,

ye shall in no case enter into The Kingdom of Heaven.' "



The context is about the conduct of a Christian.

The Commandments of God, when obeyed, enable us to acquire a Spiritual Life Energy "Reward" from God (the theme opening Matthew 6). The Law of Moses gave us that Energy- but blindly following all The Commandments- basically, in judging fellow sinners, which was considered a Right and Duty (see., Matt. 7:1-5)- causes us to lose what we gained- a little fact Moses didn't tell the Children of Israel until literally the last minute (Deut. 25:13-16).



Nowhere does Jesus tell us to "obey every jot and tittle of The Law."

But when we obey HIS Commandments, then we fulfill The Intent of The Law- which is to recharge vital energies of the Human Soul.



2. God is a Child-Killer. No doubt about it.

He reserves the right to punish FAMILIES four GENERATIONS deep).



EXODUS 20:1-6.



5. "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:

for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,

visiting the iniquity of the Fathers

upon the Children unto the Third and Fourth Generation

of them that hate Me;

6. "And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me,

and keep My Commandments."



By Law of The Kingdom of God, the Children of Sinners HAVE NO RIGHT TO LIFE.

GOD sentences CHILDREN to death, to PUNISH the PARENTS.

Some mealy-mouth will say that Jesus would not mean LITERAL "Children" in



GOD and Jesus' Words MEAN WHAT THEY SAY in EVERY applicable sense.

"Jezebel" can be a literal prophetess of can be an ORGANIZATION- even a whole country.



Before I can create a doctrine, I have to refer to EVERY Scripture I know on the subject.

I, and any good Christian, first KNOW what all these Scriptures are BEFORE we can question or create a new doctrine.



Many Unbelievers just rattle off accusations without having any knowledge of Scripture to base their thinking on. There are relatively few, who sincerely search The Bible before coming up with anything.
2010-04-11 06:58:02 UTC
You really aren't atheist since you are so preoccupied with the bible. You are just angry. Just accept that it is a religion and go on. You should also study The Devil's Bible. Which you can purchase at Amazon.com.
Cheri
2010-04-11 07:22:38 UTC
Accept the Bible is true and follow Jesus .. or don't - there is no other logical choice
2010-04-11 06:57:00 UTC
You don't need yahoo answers you need bible class.

Grown ups make big people decisions in their lives.

Your SOUNDBITES confuse you because they are taken way out of context.
catholic199_returns
2010-04-11 12:53:57 UTC
one good place for answers...



http://www.catholic.com/radio/calendar.php





Trained Apologist...and they can get the correct answers for you....



A good place to keep an ear...daily
David the Barbarian
2010-04-11 06:52:01 UTC
I am going to get drunk this morning and you can't stop me


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