Question:
All opinions welcome?
I'm Ron Burgundy?
2008-10-04 07:46:29 UTC
Okay, let's state that the whole Christian religion is false. Made up by some fishermen and pastoralists in ancient Israel.

My question is:
What do you think their prerogative would have been to create a religion from scratch?

Why would they just create this "Jesus" fellow from scratch?

Money? Maybe.

Power? Not possible during Roman rule.

Again, what would have been the objective of Christianity's founders? Because, Roman persecution and execution made sure that those founders didn't live long enough to enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Any ideas?
Thirteen answers:
Tolstoyevsky
2008-10-04 08:05:53 UTC
Let me answer two questions:



Yours was "Why would someone have created it from scratch?" (Note, by the way, there is far too much documentation that Jesus did exist, but I understand the question).



Insanity is the only conclusion that fits the data. Being a Christian in the early days was to live under a death sentence. The only people that maso today are Cubs fans.



The unasked question: What ulterior motives would there be for buying into a myth today? Modern Christianity has turned into a Rorschach blot. One sees in it what they wish to see, and it can be as wildly varied as an excuse for misery and failure all the way to empowerment...and everything in between.



The other options, of course, are that Jesus really did the things the Bible says He did, and that there are those today that take the Bible seriously out of true conviction
Gorgeoustxwoman2013
2008-10-04 07:54:50 UTC
Paul was supposedly born and raised in the city of Tarsus, a region in SE Asia-Minor (now called Turkey) where Mithras was well known. Biblical scholars are now saying that Paul, the alleged author of 13 out of the 27 (maybe more) books of the New Testament, may have been influenced in his writings by this strong religion of Mithraism. We can see a profound kinship between Mithraism and Christianity.







In-as-much as Mithraism was so popular in Rome, it is no wonder why the pagan Emperor Constantine, who believed in the sun god, Mithras, designated a certain day of the week to him, Sunday, which means, “the day of the sun.”







The original "Christian" faith became a mix of pagan, Mithramic, Jeudeo/Christian teaching. This lead to the confusing mix of theology that we have today within the "Christian" community. This apostacy from the original simple and plain teachings of Christ was accelerated by the persecutions and killings of any who tried to support the "old" ways. Maybe this solves the mystery of the “ungodly” marriage between Mithraism and the cult of Jesus. As it turns out, it was all for political convenience! But, Christians think they are better than that today. In short: The "Christianity" they have today has almost no relationship, in doctrine or in way of life, to the "the original teachings of Jesus."







In my mind, there are two Jesus' teachings. Jesus the Jew and Jesus the Gentile, which by the way is really Paul's Jesus. And guess which one Christians follow? The ex-pagan Constantine liked Paul's Jesus over Jesus the Jew. Jesus and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.



For instance, many of the world's crucified "god-men" have their traditional birthday on December 25. This is because the ancients recognized that (from an earth-centric perspective) the sun makes an annual descent southward until December 21 or 22, the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days and then starts to move northward again.



During this time, the ancients declared that "God's sun" had "died" for three days and was "born again" on December 25. The ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction. Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the "sun of God's" birthday on December 25th.



http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschris...



So please tell me how anyone could think that Christianity is the ONLY way to God?



I firmly believe Paul took the teachings of an Essene rabbi called Jesus and rearranged them to fit the Mithras mythology. There were many wannabe messiahs around the time of Jesus; the man who could establish a religion based on a "real" messiah would be a very powerful and respected man, which Paul apparently wanted to be.



The fact that Paul never met Jesus, and that Jesus never foretold Paul's appearance (unless it was included in his warning about deceivers that would fool "the very elect"), should be proof that Paul had no authority in real Christianity.
Laptop Jesus 3.9
2008-10-04 07:58:33 UTC
Wow. You ask a WHOLE lot of questions in a row.



Their motivation to create a religion from scratch? Well, it wasn't from scratch but layered onto Judaism, but...what do you think the motivation of Islam was? Or Mormonism? They didn't set out to say "oh, let's dupe a lot of people!" You don't think that, do you? The reasonable thing to think is what you think of any religion. They were sincere people trying to make sense of life. Stories about various messiahs have been around since long before Christianity. They found a "messiah" who promised a better life, meaning, hope of eternal life and they clung to that. It's pretty normal and natural.



You point out that "what was the point, since under roman persecution, they didn't see the fruits of their labors?" Um, well yes! They believed in their faith! People do all kinds of radical things for their faith because they are very convinced in it's truth and that their deeds are approved by God. Look at whirling dervishes, suicide bombers. Heck, look at Northern Ireland for the past 300 years.
Mia
2008-10-04 07:58:09 UTC
I don't think it was exactly from scratch it was built on the foundation and prophecies of Judaism. The motivation could clearly be that it would lend a great deal of credence to your movement if your leader was the prophesied savior. Judaism already had a number of sects that were like Christianity now divided on issues of interpretation of their religion and texts. There were numerous apocalyptic and itinerant preachers at the time and others claiming to be the messiah. The reasons why it would be beneficial for people to believe you are the messiah would be obvious. I don't even think they were all making it up. Even if there was a historical Jesus who was just a man its probable that people believed it truly just as people today truly believe in Joseph Smith or Ron Hubbard. Just as Muslims die for their beliefs, and Kamakazi pilots there are always people who will die for a belief they hold although this doesn't speak to the veracity of the belief.
2008-10-04 07:52:30 UTC
The Christian religion wasn't made up from scratch.



It is a direct copy of earlier and more ancient religion.



Check out Horus and Mithra to mention only two of the many.



The objective of the founders is a mystery but the objective of the Romans was to use this new sect to their own political advantage.



As for the original invention of gods. it was to explain the things that humans of the time had no other explanation for.



Once gods became established, other humans invented worship of these gods and developed religions around the growing myths. It proved to be a shrewd move for those who craved power and influence.
2008-10-04 08:04:12 UTC
So then, no monetary gain, no power or influence to be had, constant persecution and death at the hands of the Romans and the Jews, and still they persevered in their preaching and teaching of the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. They claimed to have been eye witnesses to the event, and testified to the truth of Christ. All but one of them was horribly murdered for their testimony, and still the faith was passed on by each generation of martyrs. Passed down for 2000+ yrs, through out the world. Calendars changed and the way time is recorded changed to mark the event. Western civilization built upon its principles, I don't know friend, what were they thinking?
halloweenie
2008-10-04 07:52:03 UTC
perhaps it was because the jews had suffered so much over the last thousand years or so and these guys were tired of waiting for the messiah. weren't most of the first few christians jewish? maybe they thought it would be a good morale booster for the people to finally have a messiah.
2008-10-04 07:56:01 UTC
Jesus Christ was not the god of the ancient Israelites that is where you are wrong at and that is where your question is foolish. Flavius Josephus clearly states in 'Wars of the Jews' that their was no man walking about as God in Israel. Jesus Christ was created by Roman masons who claiming to be Jews in a vault. Jesus Christ has to same story as many pagan gods. He never existed and their is alot of proof he never existed. He wasn't Yahweh of the Hebrews.
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2008-10-04 07:53:05 UTC
REPORTED!!! lol- just kidding...



I don't know. My personal belief is that christianity could have derived from basic storytelling practices.



Other beliefs- no idea... there's far too many to consider.
2008-10-04 07:52:02 UTC
Why would they create it from scratch? They had Judaism as their inheritance, and other major ancient cultures to draw from.
2008-10-04 07:52:13 UTC
"Okay, let's state that the whole Christian religion is false."

NO.
2008-10-04 07:49:43 UTC
There is no Ron Burgundy.
ღBadBi.tch™ღ
2008-10-04 07:51:25 UTC
Honey I respect your opinion about that but God is real whether you like it or not. His love for us will never pass away.


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