Question:
The ACLU often have lawsuits against groups that post the ten commandments and other religious material?
penny m
2009-10-12 07:05:40 UTC
Saying that it violates other people rights. Would you like to see them have a law suit that promoted the right to post the ten commandments or other religious material? What happened to the freedom of religion?
27 answers:
Jeancommunicates
2009-10-12 07:20:14 UTC
I think it is ironic that even Moses sits judging them in the Supreme Court. He is carved into the Halls of Justice along with Confucius and Solon. There was even a cornerstone celebrated as a "symbol of faith." And we know the Cornerstone.....because unless God builds the house it is built in vain.
god_of_the_accursed
2009-10-12 14:20:43 UTC
When its on government property. Considering only 2 of the commandments are actual laws you can't really make the case that they are the foundation of our government or even our legal system. And the first 5 have nothing to do with law and are purely religious so to engrave them on the side of a courthouse would mean the government is endorsing a religion(s). Something the constitution says it cannot do.



If the Ten Commandments can be posted on public/government property then you should have no problem if a group of Muslims want to post something, or Jews, or any other religious group. They would be exercising the same right you would be. When it comes to this it's either EVERYBODY or NOBODY, those are the only 2 ways that everybody's rights can be protected.



Deadeye: The United States was never a democracy but instead a republic where the government (regardless of what the majority wants) cannot cross certain lines. Those lines are drawn out in the Constitution. "The government shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or the free exercise there of..."
anonymous
2009-10-12 14:13:48 UTC
Huh? The ACLU would never have a lawsuit just because someone posted the ten commandments. They *do* sue when the ten commandments are posted BY THE GOVERNMENT. That's because the same Constitutional amendment that gives us freedom of religion says that the government can't promote a particular religion. Which is to protect freedom of religion, too. If you're a Christian, would you want the government to promote Buddhism, or Islam? The Constitution makes it clear that the government must NOT be in the church business.
GambitGrrl
2009-10-12 14:31:40 UTC
The reasons these cases are brought is not because the 10 Commandments are on display, but that they are on display in government buildings.



I have mixed feelings on this.



The separation of church and state simply means the state cannot promote one religion over the others. That does NOT mean that all vestiges of religion, or religious iconography must be removed from public life.



No one is forcing visitors to a court house or capital building to acknowledge, read, or even adhere to the the 10 Commandments they might have on display.



So I really feel like it's a waste of time, money and resources that could be used to fight REAL injustices.



But on the other hand, why should a religious message be placed in a secular government building?



Why not have a copy of the Declaration of Independence on display? Or the Bill of Rights, or even that's state's Constitution?



All of those seem much more appropriate than the 10 Commandments!
Lighting the Way to Reality
2009-10-12 14:16:41 UTC
The ten commandments can be posted on private property. The problem is when they are posted on government property.



The first four of the ten commandments are flatly contrary to the principles upon which this country was founded. The government has no business telling anyone which god to worship or not worship, or which day to observe as being holy.



Added:

The ACLU has taken many cases to preserve one's freedom of religion when that freedom is actually being curtailed.



Added:

This country is not a pure democracy. The Constitution and Bill of Rights make it clear that the majority cannot have their views made law insofar as certain basic freedoms are concerned. Thus, the followers of the majority religion cannot make the government force their beliefs upon the minority.
lainiebsky
2009-10-12 14:23:20 UTC
You don't quite get "freedom of religion," do you? It means that the government can't promote one religion over another. That includes posting material from one religion in public places.



Courts have decided that if the commandments are part of a public display containing similar material from several religions it's constitutional. Of course religious displays on private or church property have always been accepted.



I really wish Christian groups would stop spreading lies about the ACLU. The group has defended Christians when their religious rights have been violated.
Karl S, JPA
2009-10-12 14:19:54 UTC
Public grounds should be religiously neutral. Either I can also display Havámal quotes, or you can't post bible quotes.



If I can erect a Thor's statue, or inscribe the Noble Virtues for people to see, you can erect your ten commandments. If I can't, you can't put crosses or commandments on public grounds.



Even if all religions were allowed to post their stuff, we still wouldn't be religiously neutral to atheists, since they have no established symbols or texts to prominently place.



But it's free for all, or free for none. Freedom for some, but not for others, is evil.
Pastafarus
2009-10-12 14:12:16 UTC
If you post the Ten Commandments, to be fair, you have to also post the religious requirements of those from other religions (i.e., the Five Pillars of Islam, the Satanic Commandments, etc) and still represent those with no religions at all. However, you can also post nothing at all and forgo all this nonsense.
Solly Llama NOR★CAL R&S
2009-10-12 14:15:33 UTC
The ACLU will DEFEND the right of a PRIVATE organization to post the 10 commandments on their own property. The lawsuits you are thinking of concern the erection of religious displays on public property.
Vincent K, Atheati Mad Scientist
2009-10-12 14:10:16 UTC
Aaaaaand if people were posting religious materials for OTHER religions (for example, Islam) in the same places, YOU would be the one complaining. Sorry, but 'freedom of religion' doesn't mean 'freedom to make sure everyone has to have my personal religion rammed down their throat'.
THE GODDAMN GENTLEMAN (Jack)
2009-10-12 14:13:50 UTC
those lawsuits, if you actually bothered to look at them rather than trying as hard as possible to be personally offended, are about whether the GOVERNMENT should be posting that stuff on PUBLIC land. Public land belongs to everybody, not just christians, and also, freedom of religion applies to everybody, not just christians, and poromoting an obvious monotheism violates that freedom for others.
deadeye
2009-10-12 14:17:19 UTC
The USA is no longer a democracy it is now a Aristocracy:





Aristocracy is a form of government, in which a select few such as the most wise, strong or contributing citizens rule, often starting as a system of co-option where a council of prominent citizens add leading soldiers, merchants, land owners, priests, or lawyers to their number.



Because the government does not meet the needs of the majority but only caters to the needs of Special interest groups and minorities. Once the government stops hearing the majority it is no longer a democracy. The USA stopped being a democracy back in the 1960's
anonymous
2009-10-12 16:43:41 UTC
The condemning of Christians is a sign of the times. Our Country would be better off if they had not taken God out of everything. They just gradually keep taking God out of everything so that no one makes the non believers mad. Take a look around how bad things have gotten in our country I wonder why?
baba gaga
2009-10-12 14:11:04 UTC
You can post your ten commandments all you like in your home and your church. Otherwise, they have no place in public areas. How would you like it if I put up a neon pentagram in a public park? Is that your idea of freedom of religion? Or are you really saying you want freedom for YOUR religion and no one else's?
anonymous
2009-10-12 14:10:22 UTC
If the Ten commandments are post, then others religions and non religions have a right to post stuff. Government cannot endorse religion. I do not accept the Ten commandments. I am a Deist/Pantheist. That is not my God. I believe in a different God.



First Ammendment
Old School Hero
2009-10-12 14:14:10 UTC
If people weren't such twinkies about believing everything they read, having the 10 commandments posted on buildings wouldn't be a problem. In fact, a lot of things would be better if people took responsibility for interpreting what they read and see on TV.



What happened to freedom of religion? The ACLU is trying to twist the legal intent of freedom of religion to line up with existing laws that seem to violate freedom of speech -- like yelling "fire" in a crowded public building. If they can prove that reading the 10 commandments poses a public threat ...
anonymous
2009-10-12 14:10:29 UTC
I would rather not see or hear any religious junk. I know that will probably not happen, but there should be no reason to post anything religious as the adherents have easy access to it and the rest of us have rejected it.
GorJess (is just peachy, thanks)
2009-10-12 14:11:46 UTC
There is freedom of religion. And freedom from religion.



Do what you want in your churches and homes and private schools. Do not force it on people in public places.



Doesn't sound too difficult to me.
▐▀▀ ▀▀▌ The Grey SQUARE
2009-10-12 14:17:15 UTC
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
Jesus The Son of God the Messiah
2009-10-12 14:16:13 UTC
The ACLU has been taken over by Muslims ! Look at its contributors and financiers! They are trying to use this means of destroying America not upholding its laws!



This Nation is a Christian Nation and Satan hates Christianity ! This is why the Atheists and others Hate America. and desire to change Her.



All of our laws are founded on Leviticus and the Laws of the Bible! Our Founders were 99% CChristian.



Satan Hates God and this fight is a Spiritual one between God and Satan. We are in the last days and this is yet another Proof of the truth of Prophecy.
Nature's Gift
2009-10-12 14:09:55 UTC
yea but now a days people get real serious and you can get killed for that do you really want to risk your life just to say the ten commandments
anonymous
2009-10-12 14:09:32 UTC
you can't put religious stuff in a public place freedom from religion



U.S. Constitution - Amendment 1
coffee_pot12
2009-10-12 14:16:53 UTC
the lawyers for the NWO;how long before they try to remove the Liberty Bell?
LP S
2009-10-12 14:13:39 UTC
What about my rights to have Ten Commandments posted?
anonymous
2009-10-12 14:09:33 UTC
It's also freedom FROM religion. More important point to me.
anonymous
2009-10-12 14:09:03 UTC
That would be when they do it ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.



You can post whatever you'd like on your own property now.
accretion
2009-10-12 14:08:52 UTC
the ACLU is lame

totally agree

they are such whiners

you can get the ten commandments tattooed

on your forehead for all I care


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