Question:
Creationists, how would you prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that my desk is not a shape-shifting alien?
?
2017-04-04 20:40:15 UTC
I see a lot of creationists say things like "Scientists can't prove evolution is true". And, in a sense, they're right, but not in the sense they mean. Scientists can't actually prove anything, at all, ever. The problem is one of the unfalsifiable alternative hypothesis. No matter how solid the evidence for something is, there's no way, scientifically, to absolutely *prove* that the real explanation is not some unknown other thing, with shifting, intangible, and/or unknown properties.

So, if you had access to it, do you think you could actually prove, beyond all possible doubt, that my desk was *not* a shape-shifting alien that just happened to be perfectly mimicking a desk? If not, does that mean you'd believe me if I claimed that my desk *was* a shape-shifting alien?

Realists, feel free to state any ways you can think of that the suggested proofs, or any you come up with, could be explained away by the shifting, intangible, and/or unknown properties of shape-shifting aliens.
Eight answers:
Brigalow Bloke
2017-04-04 20:54:35 UTC
Actually, science has shown that evolution, as defined by biologists since about 1940 is a fact, since it is now routine to detect mutations at the molecular level. It has been for several years.



Creationists try to get around it by refusing to define what they mean by biological evolution or by misrepresenting it . Just a straw man argument. Likewise they consistently use "kind" and refuse to define what they mean by that.



Nowhere is this more clear than in a little blue book published by the Watchtower Society which starts virtually on the first page with a false definition of biological evolution, then follows with the usual false arguments that can be seen on here every day.
anonymous
2017-04-04 22:39:31 UTC
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?
2017-04-04 21:49:41 UTC
I would do so by slowly destroying it...

thus giving any creature with a sense of self-preservation the opportunity to "shape shift" and escape.



This would not *conclusively* prove that your desk was not a shape-shifting alien, but it would be *very* powerful and persuasive evidence in support of that contention.





2) Scientists can't actually prove anything, at all, ever.



Simply not true. Only someone not fairly familiar with science would make such a claim.

(Hint: there **are** such things as "scientifically-established facts". Lots and lots and lots of things.)
?
2017-04-04 21:25:48 UTC
I may not be able to prove that your desk is not a shape-shifting alien, but I am able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that your desk IS a shape-shifting alien.
?
2017-04-04 21:04:26 UTC
Seeing as how you believe in spontaneous generation and evolution without any limits I doubt any person could convince you that your desk is not a shape-shifting alien.
anonymous
2017-04-04 21:02:20 UTC
In the same way that you can prove you do not know my middle name.
?
2017-04-04 20:43:51 UTC
I am glad you asked this question. You see, as a creation scientist I am asked many the difficult and darn downright daft questions, however as a man of creation science I must concentrate on the important business of proving how young and flat the Earth is.
anonymous
2017-04-04 20:41:53 UTC
U SEEM TO THINK WE CARE ABOUT DOING THAT BUT U THOUGHT WRONG...DUH>>


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