Question:
In Buddhist belief, why does the Heart Sutra deny the Four Noble Truths?
Morgan
2013-06-23 06:45:40 UTC
My belief is that Buddhism believes in duality: the distinction between the physical and the non-physical world. On the other hand, the Heart Sutra believes in non-dualism, ie what you perceive is the physical world and there is no differentiation between the two realms. (What your mind perceives is truth.)
So, the four noble truths describe suffering and the path to stop it and ultimately reach enlightenment. However, the knowledge of suffering (knowing) and the attainment of enlightenment can both only exist with dualism. So in the case of traditional Buddhist belief, the subject would be yourself and the object would be the suffering. However, because the Heart Sutra doesn't believe in a duality between subject and object (it denies a subjective existence), there is no attaining relief from suffering.

What is your take on it, or what in my explanation could be further elaborated on?
Thank you!
Five answers:
2013-06-23 15:05:32 UTC
The teachings of the Buddha may be divided into those of provisional meaning and those of definitive meaning. The definitive meaning is the true meaning, the ultimate truth, in contrast to what is simply taught for a provisional purpose, as a temporary means to understand the deeper import of the ultimate truth. In the Mahayana the Prajnaparamita sutras are the definitive teachings and the Four Noble Truths are the provisional teachings. However there were some schools of which Theravada is the last that do not teach the Prajnaparamita sutras.



The Prajnaparamita Sutras teach about emptiness (sunyata) the absence of inherent existence in all phenomena not just the personal self. Emptiness is the culmination of dependent origination (pratītyasamutpada). Therefore subject and object are dependent on one another. Without an object there is no subject. Without a subject there is no object. So you have it the wrong way round, because suffering has no inherent existence it is possible to be free of it. If suffering was inherently real there would be no escape--samsara would be permanent.
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2013-06-23 17:45:49 UTC
I see no contradiction.

But then, I have been doing the Buddhist practices for over 13 years, under the guidance of my local teacher who is one of the Dalai Lama's monks.



Buddhism cannot be understood intellectually.

How can you explain to someone who has never sneezed what a sneeze feels like? No words convey it.

How can you explain to a dream what it is like to be awake? No words convey it.



In Buddhism it is only doing the practices, those of learning to be observe with clarity, that you start to see what the words of the teachings actually are trying to convey. You have to see it for yourself. It takes anywhere between 3 and 8 years of daily practice before you start to get the first glimmers of understanding.



For all those who try to understand Buddhism with mental logic and intellectual reasoning ... good luck. You are only getting caught up in the ego of your intellect, and cannot arrive at any actual comprehension through that route. There ARE things in life that words cannot convey, despite the Western worship of intellect.



The Heart Sutra says that BOTH dualism and non-dualism are true. You have to actually start to BE in that head space to grasp what it is saying.

There can be no path (no attainment), when you already are there. It's a matter of taking off your blindfold, and this theoretically can be done immediately .. but it pretty much works out to having to easy that blindfold off very slowly. People work so hard to GET somewhere, and the Heart Sutra reminds us that we already ARE there .. the problem is in our misperception of reality.
2013-06-23 16:42:11 UTC
I read the heart sutra it doesn't say this I am Tibetan Buddhist to me it implies explictlly the Buddhist path
Devil's Advocate
2013-06-23 13:49:11 UTC
The Heart Sutra is not as important as the Lotus Sutra and Nirvana Sutras. Read those for more definitive wisdom.
Fake Genius
2013-06-23 15:32:10 UTC
abandon the belief

http://www.tipitaka.net/tipitaka/dhp/verseload.php?verse=183

i haven't read that sutra so can't comment on it. namma and rupa exist. we are five aggregates: http://what-buddha-said.net/library/DPPN/wtb/g_m/khandha.htm

http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/karma.htm



a Buddhist is supposed to develop the right view and abandon wrong views - especially sakkaya ditthi -



The Evil of Sakkaya-Ditthi

http://mahajana.net/texts/kopia_lokalna/MANUAL10.html


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