Why do ppl still adhere to the God which forsakes: Law, rather than the God which never forsakes: Grace?

Question

Law: I will forsake you: Jeremiah 23:39
David & Jesus: "forsaken": Ps 22:1 & Mt 27:46

Grace: I will never forsake you:
Deuteronomy 31: 6,8
Joshua 1:5
1Chron 28:20
Hebrews 13:5

Do ppl get off on being forsaken? condemned?

Answer 1

Works of the law gives the clay power OVER the potter, thus giving man the glory. Think about it; this is the one thing that all man-made religion has in common; the clay has power OVER the potter; they must "let God work". This is why people cling to the law. They must have the power.

Answer 2

Seriously I am offended at this question



Point one God does not forsake His own. He may allow them to suffer the consequences or their actions but He never forsakes His own.



Point two Forsaken does not = Law. Your whole question is based on an assumption and a fallacy and shame on you for equating to dissimilar items.



Point three you are assuming an erroneous once saved always saved doctrine. There are examples too numerous to list here of how false this doctrine is but you can start in Hebrews 10, Romans 11, Matthew 7, and any parable of the talents, remember ALL of the people given talents were servants some did nothing with it, if you would like.



Point Four do people get off on being condemned. I think you must. You might want to try James 3 the very beginning where it warns an a greater judgment on teachers and this question is very misleading and therefore teaches a lie as truth by comparing and contrasting two items that are each a part of a "Christians" walk and are not mutually exclusive.



This question offends me more than any mocking question I've ever read here from our Atheist friends. You are a false prophet and you might want to read Deuteronomy 13 and Ezekiel 13. May YHVH have mercy on your soul.

Answer 3

Your question shows the misunderstanding so many people have regarding Torah (which means INSTRUCTION). To give you an example, look at how Christians view baptism. Most see it as an act of obedience in response to salvation. Others see it as a legalism, a mandate that must be followed before one can obtain salvation. That's the same way with obeying God's laws.



There are people, granted, who do indeed follow the law as a method of legalism (e.g., "I must do this in order to be saved"), and by that I am referring to "Christian" denominations. However, many more Christians follow Torah as a reaction to, or in gratitude for, the salvation they have been freely given by grace through faith.



The important thing is not to discard 60% of the Bible, which Jesus said would not pass away until all is fulfilled (and all is NOT fulfilled yet); rather, to see what is a person's purpose for adhering to it: loving reaction to grace, or, as Paul called it, taskmaster used in fruitless hope of obtaining salvation.

Answer 4

Fallen, sinful human nature is corrupted by pride. Our pride dictates that we are not ENTIRELY corrupt - there must be SOME good in us! We can surely do something to please God so that he will prefer us over others? Alas, there is a totality to our depraved, sinful natures that means 'all our righteous acts are as filthy rags' to quote Isaiah.



Law appeals to people for another reason other than striving to do something to show we have some goodness in us. It is viewed as an exam, with point scoring for getting it right. We imagine that if we do a high enough percentage of 'good' things, this will cause God to say we are 'good enough' to get into heaven. As long as we view salvation as a test, we will never understand grace.

Answer 5

I have sooo much to say about this but I'm not equipped to present my thoughts .



I think this question is foundational. It' may be the reason we're even on this earth, the foundational purpose of man.



Two trees in the garden of Eden: The Tree of Life (representing the spirit of God that we were freely given) AND

The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (representing our prideful attempt to discern and pridefully achieve in OUR OWN efforts thus the law)



As Satan tempted Adam and Eve, he's still tempting us today "Go ahead and eat, you will not die".

Pride continues to tell us that "We Can Do It."

without God and by our effort.



not!

Did I answer this question?

Merry Christmas and bless you, Semper

Juju

Answer 6

Christian theology does not like to see the Law/Torah for what it is, that is, an act of grace from G-d given to the people of Israel and any who would embrace it for the sake of loving Him.



A bride enters into a holy covenant with her husband and must abide by certain laws to preserve the integrity of the marriage. So too with the marriage of the people of Israel to their G-d.



We are not forsaken because of the Law. We forsake G-d Himself when we turn our backs on His covenant and proclaim ourselves independent of Him.

Answer 7

Personality testing shows a great majority of people are very concrete. They can read the words but not hear the music. Their God is a God of war rather than peace. I call them "prechristians" because they worship the old testament War God and do not understand Jesus's message of love.

merry Christmas!

Answer 8

I think you are missing something.



Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.



1John 2:4 The man who says, I have knowledge of him, and does not keep his laws, is false, and there is nothing true in him:



Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ... 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. ... 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.



Edit:JuJu, what kind of juice are you drinking? You have the two trees totally mixed up and your teaching is not Biblically based. Please read the "Old" Testament and see how many times Israel is told to "choose life" in regards to following the Torah. The tree of the knowledge of Good and evil is symbolic of a REJECTION of God's way (Torah) and obstinate insistence on mankind going their own (really Satan's) way and doing their own thing. It is not the LAW that brought death, it is BREAKING the Law that brought death. Please read Romans, Paul addresses this issue of whether the Law is good or evil.



Romans 6:1 What may we say, then? are we to go on in sin so that there may be more grace?

2 In no way. How may we, who are dead to sin, be living in it any longer?(BBE)



What is sin?



Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.(KJV)



Your concept that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is the Law, which Paul plainly says is something good, is a perversion of the truth and you need to study the scriptures and repent of such heresy.











Edit: Sasi, you do not understand the theachings of Christ or the Book of Romans. We cannot be saved by lawkeeping, but we cannot please God by lawlessness (sin) 1 John 3:4, 1 John 2:4

Answer 9

I'm with you . I wouldn't want any god who would forsake poor Grace . What did Gracie ever do that she should be forsaken for ? Shame on that god guy .

Answer 10

it has to do with our deep-seated need to earn our place into heaven. the idea that we can never deserve grace is actually easier for us to grasp, because we are so adept at 'reasoning' with ourselves.

'im a good person. i deserve to be in heaven. i don't do horrible things.' so working toward these things is far easier, than to actually come to grips with who and what we are, and realizing that we truly do need Christ and therefore we must truly die to our flesh and follow Him.

We like who we are and are creatures of habit. We would rather be in a position to hear that we can work hard to get in rather than make a significant change within us. We don't like to hear how flawed we are.

Answer 11

"Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he [it is] that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee."(Deut. 31:6)



"There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life: as I was with Moses, [so] I will be with thee: I will not fail thee, nor forsake thee." (Josh. 1:5)



"[Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee."(Heb. 13:5)

Answer 12

What an insightful question!



The Bible says that it is due to "ignorance" of Gods plan and purpose for today. Unfortunately, people don't understand that God had TWO programs: one for earth and one for heaven. See Gen. 1:1



Our Bibles are a commentary on how these two realms that God created have been corrupted by satan and his followers, and how God WILL re establish His rightful rule and reign using two distinct groups of people; The NATION of Israel, and we who are the Body of Christ.



The Bible tells us that the law is a curse, and that it is not for the righteous man. That is because "we have been MADE the righteousness of God in Him (Christ)" thru BELIEVING and trusting in His finished work on the Cross.



Until people understand how God worked with Israel, they will have trouble understanding how He is working with we who are His Body in this present dispensation of GRACE.



Alas, people are content to follow the "traditions of men" and to become apt students of "religious rhetoric", parrotting what they hear from "pastors" behind the pulpits who are just as ignorant of Gods wonderful plan and purpose as they are. They "have a zeal for God but WITHOUT knowledge." Knowledge that God has placed before them in Pauls epistles.



Paul warns us of these things, but no one seems to be listening. We are NOT in Gods program of JUDAISM...which IS the law of Moses. God changed programs and gives us the reasons WHY in His Word. He has SET ASIDE Israel and the law temporarily, "until the times of the Gentiles be fufilled". Then He will resume His program with Israel.



Times PAST - Gen thru Acts - God dealing with Israel.



But NOW - Romans thru Philemon - God dealing with US.



Ages to Come - Hebrews thru Rev. -Resumes with Israel.



Eph. 2:11,12,13,and verse 7.



I , for one, am thrilled to be under GRACE and not law! "Christ is the END of the law for righteousness to all who BELIEVE."



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Answer 13

What a great question for this day!



I have no answer for you, as I am on your side. I see no reason why people would do this.

Answer 14

For by GRACE are you saved,not of works less any man should boast.

You have it right my friend.<><

Answer 15

people do get condemned to hell yes... when Jesus first died he was condemned into hell to save us from our sins but on the third day he rose again and ascended into heaven... showing how powerful he was by defeating the devil

Answer 16

Why do Grace ppl God adhere Foreskin ?



Condemned %*#@^%

Answer 17

Yes, I get off on it.

Answer 18

two words:



LIES & HYPOCRISY!