Question:
LDS, Mormons and all, If a man is married a few times here on Earth?
oceanwoman
2009-05-24 13:39:31 UTC
Even non members...
When he dies, would he be sealed to all the women?

As in, he has 3 different wives here on earth at separate times, He would be sealed to all his wives that he had, correct? One year after all their deaths.

When all the people's mormon temple work is done, baptized, then the endowment for all, then that sealings? Correct?
29 answers:
tjsgigante
2009-05-24 13:49:14 UTC
Good question. You got the order of the ordinances correct. Baptizing, confirmation, then for men comes receiving the priesthood. Eventually is the endowment followed by the Sealing. I'm pretty sure that it has to be in that order. It makes sense for it to be in that order.



As for the question about who he would be sealed to, I'm betting (not sure here, just my opinion) that it would mostly depend on who was doing the work for this man. I'm guessing it would be his descendants and that they would work it out as they see fit.



One thing I am sure about though. The prophets have clearly said, at least for the women, that God will deny them no blessing if they are faithful until the end of their lives--from what I understand, that includes if they never have the opportunity to be sealed in marriage.



EDIT: For other answers, about the LDS understanding of marriage beyond the veil. We believe that only the sealing authority of God has the authority to bind people beyond death in any kind of relationship. What kind of earthly power or civil leader could perform or has the authority to perform such an awesome ordinance?
LindaLou
2009-05-27 10:33:54 UTC
First of all JUST because someones temple work is done and just because a man might be SEALED to more than one wife, does NOT mean he will be with her through the eternities. ALL things are conditional upon a personal worthiness and righteousness in the next life. Temple ordinances don't guarantee anything for anyone.



God will make all things 'right' at judgment and a man might be sealed to more than one wife - and a woman might be sealed to a husband and their children sealed and so forth down through the annals of time and progeny. I don't personally like to consider the eternal polygamy thing myself - as I take issue with the whole concept even being an LDS woman, as do MANY LDS women I know too. We just trust and have FAITH that in the END - all things work together for our good - one way or another.
Diana
2016-04-03 10:29:32 UTC
1. Good Mormon men become gods when they die. -There's a couple things incorrect about that. For one thing, it doesn't happen right when we die, it's going to be an almost eternal progress. For another thing, it's men AND women. And lastly, it's not just Mormons, it's anyone who lived righteously, and would have accepted the gospel had they heard it. 2. Women can't go to heaven unless they marry a mormon man. -False. Anyone can go to heaven. There is no gender discrimination. Where that rumor comes from is that to receive exaltation specifically, you must be sealed to your spouse in a temple. 3. Jesus and Satan are brothers; Jesus is the Archangel Michael, while Satan is the Fallen Angel Lucifer -Never heard of the "Jesus is Micheal" thing. But yes, Jesus and Lucifer are spiritual brothers because they're both children of God. As is EVERYONE. 4. Mary and God were lovers -False. 5. The garden of eden was in missouri -I guess we believe that. I don't think it's that simple though. I think the world was a very different place before the fall. 6. Blacks are cursed children of Cain, whites are blessed children of God. -Again, not that simple. And if there was any question, there's lots of black Mormons. 7. There were six-foot men living on the moon a millenia ago. -Ha. I've never even heard that one before. And I've read almost every anti-Mormon article on the internet. 8. Joseph Smith had 27 wives and attempted to rape another prominent mormon's wife. -All the early saints were commanded to practice polygamy. I've never heard the rape thing though. 9. Brigham Young had 55 wives. -Yep. Poor guy. 10. You must wear mormon underwear at all times, unless swimming or bathing. -They're called temple garments, and that's a concept that's biblical. 11. No caffeine, because it's a drug. -That's correct. Hope that clears some stuff up.
papa smurf
2009-05-27 04:19:51 UTC
This actually is a great question about how families can continue after this life which is a huge part of what we believe.



I am reading into some of the replies that you are a former member of the Church. I am also reading into your replies that this question was posed to be inflammatory. If it was meant that way then the answers are really for nothing, which is sad.



I see there are some who are antagonistic towards you and that may stem from previous discussions with you. If that is the case they might feel betrayed for whatever reason or feel like you are just trying to attack their faith. I would think the latter to be more likely.



Either way it just seems like there are unresolved issues you have with the Church and this really isn't one of them but you have chosen it to resume your sideways attacks instead of resolving your concerns. I would suggest getting to the heart of what is bothering you, you can even discuss it with a Bishop or Stake President. I know they are busy but would be willing to sit down for an honest discussion, not a debate or argument but an honest, open discussion.



I do hope you find the peace you are searching for.



God Bless.



So what is your question? What is the "meat" of what you are after?
Minnow
2009-05-24 16:53:21 UTC
I'm not sure about the situation you're explaining.



My grandfather outlived 3 wives. Of them, only his first wife was not sealed to anyone (the other 2 had outlived their first husbands and were sealed to their first husbands.) The result is that while he was married to his second and third wives, he could not be sealed to them. If they had NOT been sealed to their husbands, then they would have been sealed to them, and yes in heaven he would have been married to 3 wives.



Now, the problem you may have is considering polygamy as sinful. If it was, then God wouldn't allow it, and it was allowed by God in the Bible. Right now, we aren't allowed to practice it because God said it's not required. That doesn't mean we believe it's sinful, bad, evil, or shouldn't be allowed (though we do believe it shouldn't be allowed unless God allows it.)



Add: The reason I'm unsure about the situation you're explaining is that I'm not entirely sure that a man can be sealed to a dead wife without more trouble than that. Having all 3 sealed at the same time would be something I would imagine would be very complicated. Would I have a problem with it? No. They all three married him.
Kerry
2009-05-25 09:23:51 UTC
The answer is: yes and no. The man chooses to be "sealed" to each or none of the women. He does not have to be sealed to any of them, and the marriage(s) would be civil and not temple marriages. However, the man can choose to have a temple marriage to each and all and, be sealed to them.



Usually if the woman has already been married before and "sealed" to a former spouse, the next subsequent marriages are not temple marriages unless the parties had the temple sealing canceled.
Michael V
2009-05-26 05:15:23 UTC
This can't be happening all that often; wives typically outlive their husbands. It really only makes sense for a man to be sealed for eternity to more than one deceased wife if there is not going to be an exactly equal number of both genders who prove worthy of the blessings of eternal life and exaltation, the foundation of which is temple marriage for time and all eternity. It is more a common supposition than an actual doctrine that there will be more women who prove worthy of these eternal blessings than men who do so. A simple look at the world we live in, to see who is sweet and faithful, compared to who is crude and evil, with the implications this has for eternity, unfortunately seems more often to reflect favorably on the daughters of God than upon His sons. I only offer this for what it is worth; it accepts that God (as evidenced in the Bible, notably that from Jacob and his four wives were created the twelve tribes of Israel) has provided that at times plural marriage has a proper purpose on a limited basis, and this may be one of them. The real point is that no one, male or female, who proves worthy of the blessings of eternal marriage and family in the celestial kingdom of God will be left out, for any reason.



To clarify another point which has arisen within the answers to your question, there is indeed one circumstance where a deceased woman may be sealed to more than one man. It applies only if she had more than one husband, but she and they died without anyone knowing her preference, as for example if they lived when the temple ordinances were not on the earth, or they did not yet know about these things, or even if they were members of the Church, but none were sealed together and we still don't know the correct combination to seal. Since no one now knows what her preference would be, the respective families may have her sealings performed relative to each husband, or the Church itself may through its extraction (now called indexing) work, but then the choice will be hers as to which one of these sealings will be binding in eternity. So she really isn't forever sealed to all, but her option for her own best choice is thus covered. This just makes sense, so this policy was in fact adopted. If a deceased wife had more than one husband, but was sealed to one of them during her lifetime, it is considered already decided, assuming she is satisfied.
rac
2009-05-25 16:25:26 UTC
Your question and your answer are both correct.

In doing our family history work, if we come across a man that was married multiple times, we will process the temple work and sealings for all the wives to that man. It is up to the parties and the Lord whether those sealings will be accepted. It is contrary to the Patriarchal order of things for the woman to be sealed to more than one man.
Master M
2009-05-25 21:57:26 UTC
If that's what the handbook says then it's safe to say that its doctrine. You seem to understand it so I'm not sure what you're asking in your question.



One of our apostles, Elder Oakes, his first wife died and he's since re-married in the temple. I guess that means he will be sealed to two wives in eternity. Or, two wives will be sealed to him.



I know people find it strange, and it's alien to our protestant rooted nation but, a reading of the scriptures (reading the ENTIRE bible, not just the new testament) shows that the concept of plural marriage isn't foreign, new, old, and has come and gone through the ages among God's people.
overstander
2009-05-24 15:20:53 UTC
THree of the current 12 LDS apostles were sealed and then widowed, remarried, and are sealed for eternity to another woman. I'm sure all their wives expect to be with their husband in the Celestial Kingdom.
Guitarpicker
2009-05-24 14:47:22 UTC
The sealings are not an automatic event. Someone must submit the names of those involved, have all their ordinances performed, and then perform the sacred sealings of the wife or wives to the husband.



Such ordinances may take a year or more to complete, depending if the submitter wants the temples to manage the ordinances or performed personally. Even then, it is important to know that men can only perform ordinances for men and women do ordinances for women. Naturally, other temple-worthy patrons are involved with the ordinances.



It is only through the ordinances performed in the sacred temples of the Lord, by priesthood authority, can a man and women be sealed for time and eternity. No other church or priesthood is authorized to perform these ordinances except temple-worthy members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.



I trust this answer and those of others on this forum satifies your curiosity.
tkirkmjm
2009-05-24 13:56:29 UTC
Yes that is true. He will be. We aren't afraid to say that. In the end, the entire human family will be sealed together. Sealing is much more than just marriage. Whole families are united forever.



On the issue of plural marriage, what about work for married couples who are both dead? Have you ever wondered how the church handles the situation of work for old records of women who were married twice? A woman can be sealed to two men. This not an issue of bigotry and male supremacy. Men and Women are equal partners. If you would like to understand the church's view on this issue please read "The Proclamation to the World: The Family"



Edit** I'm not mistaken oceanwoman, I'm talking about work for the dead only. You are right about the living.
Davo_in_australia
2009-05-28 03:35:13 UTC
Which church of Latter Day Saints do you refer to as each would answer differently? Especially the churches that still practice polygamy



"Mormons" just refers to followers of the Book of Mormon.

The Church of Latter Day Saints is the name of the official Mormon Church.



There's a few Mormons who split from the official LDS church and hence call themselves Mormons but not LDS's and they believe they remain true to the founder, but the LDS reckon they just want to follow polygamy and do things that are now outlawed by the official LDS church. They counter by suggesting that the official LDS church is just kowtowing to the Federal US to get Statehood for Utah and therefore are not true to the book of Mormon.



They go by the name of the United Apostolic Brethren, located in a suburb of Salt Lake City, and residents of the twin border towns of Colorado City and Hildale (originally called Short Creek), straddling the Utah-Arizona border and known as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They consider themselves as real Mormons.
studlee82
2009-05-26 19:07:52 UTC
ok i was going to answer this, but its pretty clear that you dont want info on the topic, you want to bash a belief.



This doctrine does make "sence" (I think you mean "sense":) so just ask your question and practice some tolerance.



your comments about it (especially the last one) dont really make any sense actually. "spiritual polygamy in yet another way"?? what are you talking about.



Anyways, I'm very open about my beliefs and I talk openly as long as the questioner stays respectful...so if youd like to, and you can behave yourself, feel free to email me and I will expound on any part of this topic that doesnt make "sence" to you:)
anonymous
2009-05-25 20:16:33 UTC
Yes, in the Mormon religion, a man is allowed to be sealed to more than one wife (and it has been admitted by more than one leader of the church), but women can only be sealed to more than one man. It equates to spiritual polygamy.
palmermom3
2009-05-25 06:48:10 UTC
Baptisms and sealings that are done postumously, the people that they are done for have the choice to accept these covenants and blessings. Even if this"man" was sealed to all 3 women, they would still have the choice to uphold that sealing. Great question!
anonymous
2009-05-24 14:11:29 UTC
I think we'll be able to see everyone there that we ever loved and who loved us. The love we will feel won't be sexual or romantic love, because that kind of love is only useful on earth.



I believe we will all be like the angels.



I know that Mormons believe they will have a family circle that they had on earth and in heaven will continue to stick close to, but I'd like to be close to everyone... so, I don't know... maybe it'll be different for me.



I think the Mormon belief, is that a man can be sealed to all his wives and be with them all after death.
saintrose
2009-05-24 13:50:54 UTC
Some one in his family may do that after he has had his other work done like baptism after one year. However the women also have the right not to except the sealing, and I suppose he also has the right to reject those ordnance's also. One year is the soonest you can start doing someones work for them.
C. Atkinson (aka gusgus)
2009-05-25 23:24:28 UTC
First of all the women have their choice. Second, men are allowed to be sealed to more than one woman, just one at a time here in life however.



Again, temple work is a proxy work that is offered to those who pass on, who have the choice to accept or reject it just as we all have the freedom to choose to accept or reject the redeeming grace of Jesus Christ.
anonymous
2009-05-24 19:43:53 UTC
You have too much information to have to use wording like "the people's mormon temple work", unless you are trying to stir the pot. You are trying to expose something you know about but don't understand.

YOU ALSO KNOW THAT IF YOU WANT ANSWER'S ON FAMILY WORK, YOU CAN GO TO YOUR LOCAL FAMILY HISTORY CENTER.

However, thanks for putting the info out there that will make other people wonder about being "sealed" to their families in heaven. I think they are all intelligent enough to know that there is a totally different, sacred type of love in heaven, not going to be a big orgy. Thanks for putting it out there, though. May you one day come back to the Light because you know THE LIGHT IS RIGHT!
Scott M
2009-05-24 13:47:01 UTC
That's not a bad question, and should not be restricted to only Mormons. I've wondered that myself: If someone is married more than once (the spouse dying, for instance), are all the previous spouses waiting for them on the other side?



Does that mean that a multiple widower has a harem waiting on the other side? Or will he have to choose? What about widows? Do they get greeted by all the men they'd married in their lives, or do they have to pick one?



I'm sure no one has had any "revelation" regarding this.
Someone
2009-05-25 08:09:05 UTC
He wont be sealed to nonmembers. He'd have to get sealed to each wife in the temple to be sealed to all of them. I think most men wouldn't get sealed to them after they died... especially if he was already sealed to a wife... I wonder if he would even be allowed to do that.
Jacob
2009-05-25 10:20:53 UTC
Yes, he could be sealed to all the wives as long as they had not been sealed to any other man.
ReadTheKJB
2009-05-25 08:16:55 UTC
This is one of them LDS things that just makes no sense
anonymous
2009-05-25 19:47:55 UTC
What the mormons said I agree with, its my opinion though no one knows.....now I expect 10 thumbs up......and don't you dare twist my words!
anonymous
2009-05-24 14:38:18 UTC
I hear the voice of a spirit that claims to be Godâ„¢.



He told me that those He favors are going to get reincarnation as themselves. People on Earth will all have the wives of His selection, not their own. No one will be able to be with the wife that they had on Earth except for Noah and Jacob.



Men will have several or more wives, women will also have wives because they will far outnumber the men.
Cameron
2009-05-24 14:03:32 UTC
marriage is an earthly thing. It doesn't matter much in the afterlife. For the man can go to hell while his wife goes to heaven or the wife to hell and the man to heaven. if a man is a sinner and isn't saved, but is married and dies, his wife still can go to heaven when she dies if she is saved. I ask you, "does marriage seem to matter on the decision of whether someone goes to heaven or not?"



Also I feel you are religious, not faith driven.
DotWarner
2009-05-24 14:02:56 UTC
how are you trying to make us look bad this time? i've seen how negative you are as an ex-mormon- i, for, one am not giving you ammo to twist my words with.
Secksay Jeebus, Spokes critter
2009-05-24 13:44:08 UTC
Which is why when my wife dies, ima kill myself.


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