Question:
Why are people dumb enough to believe in god?
mbessoud
2006-08-18 11:19:54 UTC
I mean, it is so logically dumb to think that there is a god.
87 answers:
sweetiepi
2006-08-18 11:24:34 UTC
did you ride the short bus to school?
Da Great 1
2006-08-20 02:46:56 UTC
Why are people dumb enough to not believe in God?



I mean it is so logically dumb to think that there is no God.
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2016-11-26 05:27:28 UTC
Tony, merely because 'you've' determined that unbelief is adequate for you, why placed down those who count number on the different case? Why might want to those who do count number on God be dumb, even as atheists like your self be considered wise previous their years?? What precisely makes 'you' any smarter because of your unbelief? might want to or not it is something more effective than an information difficulty right here Tony? How about something previous even what 'you' can understand? PLEASE do not use infantile methods like this, once you're truly searching for solutions which couldn't make sense even to 'you'? type of unhappy that the flaws 'you' do not realize (or perhaps opt to appreciate, or carry out a touch analyze and take a seem at for your self, so as that possibly you'll get some readability that could want to convey even 'you' some perception) sound dumb.
jusap
2006-08-18 11:33:45 UTC
because only an uneducated person could look at the world and all it's designed life and believe it evolved from a small dot of matter 10 billion years ago. According to the law of angular momentum any object flying off of a spinning object will spin in the same direction, so why do some of the planets spin in the opposite direction. Also the sun shrinks 9ft in diameter every year and at this present rate 1 million years ago if would have been one half the distance between the earth and sun try living on this earth one million years ago with a temperature of over 1,000 degrees. It would take alot of sunblock.
barbie2
2006-08-18 11:44:48 UTC
96% of human kind believe in some form of a higher power that don't seem like the dumb end of the stupid stick. People who say there is no God is the laziest thing you can say instead of doing research or reading the bible and taking classes to get a better understanding, it is easier to be a drop out and blame others for your lack of understanding. If someone told me I would live forever in another world after i die out of this one, I think that deserves a life time of open minded searching before i just came to the stupid lazy conclusion that there is no God
Privratnik
2006-08-18 11:26:14 UTC
Why are people dumb enough NOT to believe? Especially considering the consequences for being wrong!



God is not about earthly logic. Our logic is based solely on the physical aspects of existence. On those terms, only, of course it makes no sense to believe in God! But, there is much, much more to life than what you can see and feel.
2006-08-18 11:32:15 UTC
It is even more dumb to believe in the big bank or evolution!



Think about it! In order for there to be a design there has to be a designer. Expand your mind to thinking about the complexity of the human body, particularly the human eye! Think about how our organs work, our blood - and having the right balance of white and red cells etc. It is far more logical to believe that God the Creator created us and the world



I was thinking today about the oil we need to run our cars. God thought of everything! The trees and plants that give out oxygen!



Please think deeply about this - don't go on hearsay.



It is also possible to know God personally. He says in His Word the Bible: Those who seek me with all their heart shall find me.



Like to know more? God to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seeking_reality
Coco
2006-08-18 11:30:16 UTC
What you rather me believe that some rocks crashed together to cause a chemical reaction and that's who we were formed? Get real. Out of the big bang theory and God, God makes more sense than believing we came out of no where. Not everything in life is logical, some things we just have to accept.
Michael S
2006-08-18 11:28:59 UTC
Its not whether you are dumb or not, it is about believing in something that may or may not help to make your life better. God also provides a framework for a morally positive lifestyle. Referring to someone that believes in God is dumb really makes wonder think that you are a one sided person with little tolerance towards people different than you.
resilience
2006-08-18 11:29:35 UTC
It is so logically dumb to think that there is not a God.
kristin h
2006-08-18 11:31:59 UTC
who's to say there's not something bigger than us?? That's what people need in this world, even though the fight about religion causes wars. Think about this world if people didn't believe, it might be a whole lot scarier. I am not a religous person, but I am open to whatever may be out there. I question it all the time, so I just hope whatever may be will be validated in the end. I personally don't rely on "GOD" but I can't say he/she doesn't exist cause I don't know...let people believe what they feel they need to believe to get through the day :)
Big Ed
2006-08-18 11:31:59 UTC
If I told you the speed of light and linked you to a series of experts who gave testimony to the speed of light, would you believe it even though you have never actually even seen a light particle and definately had never seen it go the speed people say it does?



If I could somehow communicate with an ant and explained our existence and way of life to him, would he believe me? If he didn't, does it mean we don't exist and that we don't drive cars and fly in planes?



I believe God exists. I don't have to have a logical explanation for everything in the universe simply because it's not possible at the current time. I look at the world and see the wonders around me and choose to believe they were created by a higher power and more importantly, my ability to enjoy them and take pleasure from them was a gift from that same higher power.



I guess it is logical if you look at it in the right way.
STEPHEN J
2006-08-18 11:27:41 UTC
Why do ppl think it's dumb to believe in God? I believe in Him bc the Bible says He exists and I've found numerous reasons to believe the Bible is accurate in what it says. I don't know why you don't believe in God, but if you're using pain as a reason, that's an emotional argument. I wouldn't mind talking to you on AIM if you want. My sn is jonjames1986, I'd like to try to help you understand more about God if you're willing. If you're going to reject Him, you should make sure you know who He is first. From your question, I can tell you don't
2006-08-18 11:26:19 UTC
The one who is "logically dumb" is the person asking the question here. God isn't about logic, God is about faith. And believe me, it takes a whole lot more faith to believe that we just happened to be here by chance than to believe that there might just be some "higher power" behind it. And logically speaking, the simplist answer is usually the correct one (and God is the simplist answer).
2006-08-18 11:30:15 UTC
Why are people dumb enough not to believe in God?
carpediem
2006-08-18 11:31:22 UTC
I'm an atheist but what gives you the right to say that people who believe differently are dumb??? Isn't that one of the things we're trying to fight against as atheists is being called "dumb, uninformed non-believers"?? We need to respect each others beliefs, not tear people down.
urbancoyote
2006-08-18 12:44:40 UTC
People believe in God because they are afraid of their own death.



When people are afraid enough, they'll grab anything and hold it close to them, hypnotizing themselves it is a life jacket.



The best essay on death I've found was written by la Rochefoucauld at the end of his "Maxims." It is such a grim and compelling topic that it sobers the most foolish of us.



The idea that the terrifying finality of death "actually" opens the gates to eternal paradise is fabulous, perfect salesmanship, because it's what people want to believe and it defies being contradicted.
Seven
2006-08-18 11:31:42 UTC
Yes, its sooooo logically superior to assume that matter simply manifested itself from nothing. Its soooo logical that life was spontaneously generated. Its sooo logical that abiogenesis produced offspring that later became you and your fingers typing in an inane statement.



I mean, its so logically dumb that you can't fathom the improbability of those things....
2006-08-18 11:28:27 UTC
I don't think its dumb to believe in GOD. After all, He gave you the right to believe or not. I call that Wisdom. PS. Wait til the end of your life and ask that same question. You may have a change of mind.
2006-08-18 11:32:40 UTC
Because people just need something to believe in. They find security in having a power higher than their own to count on. I don't feel that people are "dumb" because they don't believe in God, they just take a different path, Athiesism. That's what its called when you don't believe in God. You search yourself and think, when something really bad happens, Who ya gonna call?
2006-08-18 11:39:18 UTC
well, if you believe in your self, you believe in god. because we are all part of god.



if you agree with the big bang, we come from the big bang, and god created it and god is the big bang. so we are god...or a part of god...we are all together even if we have physical boundary with our human bodies.I mean you are, and I am ...but in fact we are all in one.



to believe if there is an entity? well, again, we are part of this entity.

god doesnt exist? and the answer is yes, he does not exist, but in same time he does because we are "god" or we are an infine party of god,...



people who dont understand that, use a mental image of god, which is correct if it can help them...there is nothing to imagine god like a old daddy with a barb.





what i try to explain here, we are an union, we are all together and this is what jesus tried explain, but sadly this is a hard concept to understand...
lauree_anne
2006-08-18 11:26:23 UTC
its not stupidity , i think its wrong for you to say that someone believing in a higher power is dumb, specially if you hold a newborn child in your arms, I think people who rag on other peoples beliefs and faiths are the dumb ones, quick worrying about everyone else and worry about yourself, people do what makes them happy and to the other person it is not a fear of death nor ignorance has nothing do with either of the two, its about life , NOT death,
icetender
2006-08-18 11:36:06 UTC
Why is it dumb to believe? Belief in nothing is still a belief. Logic has nothing to do with it.
Crazy lady
2006-08-18 11:26:43 UTC
And they would say that it is logically dumb to think that there isn't a god. Maybe you are the dumb one!!!
Life comes 2 those that are true
2006-08-18 11:26:43 UTC
Why are you dumb enough to not be open-minded? Respect other people's beliefs. Believing is seeing. It's called faith.
Karandeep M
2006-08-18 11:30:11 UTC
God is a virtual being who has been created for the goodness of humanity. Since God represents goodness people like the very presence of it.
maxunn1234
2006-08-18 11:26:28 UTC
Lot of the people believe in God for many reasons.
MR.
2006-08-18 11:26:18 UTC
why people dumb enough not to believe in god
2006-08-18 11:29:27 UTC
I think you must explain how to make a tree.

I'm not dumb and I am amazed 'how did this become so beautiful" "IT must be god"

Just that you are here and think YOU did this?
phaedra
2006-08-18 11:26:29 UTC
There have also been a lot of very smart people who believe in a god. I find your elitist attitude wearisome and unhelpful as it only reinforces a negative view of nontheists.



signed, an atheist
Goodbye
2006-08-18 11:25:10 UTC
I know...it's frustrating that people put their lives into the "hands" of something that is non-existent, with the world as messed up as it is already, it's crazy that they still believe in it. You are the only person that can change the course of your life, whether you like that thought, or not....guess what?? IT"S REALITY.



And all of these people saying "watch what you say"..why don't you religious ones watch what YOU say, maybe us realistic people don't want to hear your fantasy thoughts. Buddaism is the only religion that makes any sense. Because it's about YOU and not some "God".



***Go ahead, give a thumbs down rating, I didn't say anything indecent, I was expressing MY beliefs. For being so religious and having faith, you people sure don't give a crap about anyone else's thoughts.***



So it's ok for the people that do believe in God to express their opinions, but for us non-believers, we should just shut our mouths. WHATEVER. Frustrates me.
kja63
2006-08-18 11:25:02 UTC
Why are people dumb enough to believe there isn't a God?
Name Unknown
2006-08-18 11:25:59 UTC
I don't think it's dumb to believe in anything. The fact is we don't know what's going to happen after we die. So we each ahve to decide what is after life and what was before it.



I don't think that makes anyone an idiot to believe so.
DeZigns By Monique
2006-08-18 11:35:09 UTC
There is a God and it is declared in the Bible from beginning to end. I don't know why you don't belive in God, but God bless you to open your eyes and know the truth. God's mercy is what keeps you and what wakes you up everyday.
2006-08-18 11:28:23 UTC
at least you can respect others' religions. i think you're the dumb one to go and try to discriminate against people who believe in a higher power. next time you write such a DUMB question like this, think about who you are offending.
8 In the corner
2006-08-18 11:28:17 UTC
You can say there ain't no heaven, but you better pray there ain't no hell....



If I live my life according to the 10 commandments and you don't, I will have harmed no one and if there is a heaven, I will probably go there. If you have broken the commandments and harmed people, you will have to wait to find out if you go anywhere...



Good luck...
takingoverme248
2006-08-18 11:25:59 UTC
because they just do

its what they feel in their hearts is right

just like you dont feel that there is a god

they feel there is

most christians could turn that question right around

and ask you

why are you so dumb not to believe in god
2006-08-18 11:26:47 UTC
If you only knew how stupid you and your question are,then perhaps there would be some help for you! But alas,I believe you're going to be kicking and screaming in everlasting hell.Oh Well!
abfabmom1
2006-08-18 11:25:59 UTC
Yet a more important question:



Why do so many people on this site believe that it's appropriate to disrespect someone else's religion?



Everyone has the right to believe what they want, and you insulting them over it only proves your own closed-mindedness.
2006-08-18 11:26:12 UTC
Oh? Let's see your logical proof that God doesn't exist. Do you have anything beyond the ad hominem attack?
Bob-bob
2006-08-18 11:25:39 UTC
Quite possibly it is, but there are many ways of looking at things and logic doesn't always come into it.

If somebody wishes to believe then that is their choice.
000000000000
2006-08-18 11:43:21 UTC
Becaus I'm smart enough to believe.
Rawkus
2006-08-18 11:25:58 UTC
Because no amount of random energy will tidy up your room. Requires intelligent input (I hope.) Same goes for the big wide universe, and how everything works together.
2006-08-18 11:32:13 UTC
Lol, sheeple, i love it!

I figured this question would really **** some sheeple off.

But it is kind of funny that the religious types, will either say, "i will pray for you" or they show their true colors and say "when you go to hell, you will find out" Nice!
University Girl
2006-08-18 11:25:42 UTC
actually i like to think of it this way...if there is a heaven and we believe in god we're going if there isnt a heaven then were all in trouble...but hey us believer have a 50% chance where as you have 0 unless you change your ways....so who is logical now buddy boy?
- - - - -
2006-08-18 11:25:49 UTC
it's not about being smart or dumb it's about personal belief



what makes you think you're right?
2006-08-18 11:24:56 UTC
Likewise, dumb enough Not to believe in God.
lttlbt22
2006-08-18 11:30:48 UTC
You can ask GOD on judgement day you are a fool.............Please do not discriminate on us believers and our faith!~

I LOVE GOD FOREVER
2006-08-18 11:26:08 UTC
It's popular though.



Paris Hilton is popular, also. That just goes to show you the relationship between dumb and popular.
Christopher M
2006-08-18 11:37:04 UTC
your a dumb *** dont you know when to shut the hell up
2006-08-18 11:25:43 UTC
The FOOL has said in his heart, there is no God.



I'd rather be dumb, than a FOOL!
2006-08-18 11:26:37 UTC
Wow, there's a lot of Christian Hate(tm) out there today.
Yoda Green's Hope
2006-08-18 11:28:36 UTC
Psalm 53:1

The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good.
2006-08-18 11:27:22 UTC
who cares if there is really a God, u only must live your life and be a GOOD PERSON. That's most important than anything else.
2006-08-18 11:25:51 UTC
Hope you have a good life at least
2006-08-18 11:26:36 UTC
people aren't dumb if there is evidence around us proving that he actually exists
2006-08-18 11:25:00 UTC
why are people dumb enough not to
Xan
2006-08-18 11:25:45 UTC
Because they usually think that they've been saved by god at some point so carry their lives on in a blind faith.
Pigskin Princess
2006-08-18 11:25:35 UTC
Why are people ignorant enough to pick on people for their personal beliefs?
Muffin
2006-08-18 11:25:41 UTC
Or rather, why are there dumb people like you?
2006-08-18 11:25:17 UTC
Because they are the only ones who do.
towelboy70
2006-08-18 11:28:03 UTC
yea, why be a good boy or girl and live life without taking chances and assume it'll all be good after you die. please, dumb is the word
S M
2006-08-18 11:25:23 UTC
There's no correlation between theism and intelligence.

Or arrogance.
Angelo D
2006-08-18 11:26:27 UTC
because we are smart enough to know we came from someone
Peace
2006-08-22 07:03:57 UTC
why are people stupid enough to think there isnt one
Bear Naked
2006-08-18 11:25:18 UTC
This is about a watch maker....kind of explains why they are so dumb!
BarbieQ
2006-08-18 11:25:43 UTC
Cause they're scared to face life all by themselves. Whoaaaaa this is a hater question lol!!
John D
2006-08-18 11:25:49 UTC
Why are you so stupid as to believe there isn't one.
Angel
2006-08-18 11:25:04 UTC
You don't have to be real smart to hear the still small voice.
Sugar_Mama
2006-08-18 11:27:34 UTC
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/?qid=1006031501135
possum
2006-08-18 11:26:18 UTC
You are right. I don't know why they do. But see it this way : as long as they don't bother you excessively and as long as it makes them happy - let them/
2006-08-18 11:25:05 UTC
thats in your opinion.many people think different.
2006-08-18 11:25:01 UTC
thats ur beliefe, watch what u say pal. there are people out there u dont wanna say that too. if u said that to me, id kick ur ***
2006-08-18 11:25:34 UTC
faith has nothing to do with logic
2006-08-18 11:25:28 UTC
Sometimes even I don't believe in Me.
2006-08-18 11:25:24 UTC
It's not their fault. They're manipulated through their most basic fears, like the fear of death. They know not what they do.
jija
2006-08-18 11:25:46 UTC
bcoz u created the universe *******?!!!
someDumbAmerican
2006-08-18 11:25:16 UTC
They're called sheeple not people.
2006-08-18 11:25:04 UTC
Why does it bother you so much?
nswblue
2006-08-18 11:25:22 UTC
Why because he created YOU?!@
self0dest0
2006-08-18 11:25:38 UTC
because there dumb duh. you dummy are you dumb enough to question how dumb someone has to be to beleive in god?
2006-08-18 11:24:57 UTC
most people are sheep. baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
phoenix
2006-08-18 11:25:40 UTC
I'll pray for you
Mandee
2006-08-18 11:24:57 UTC
dunno...because we want to?
2006-08-18 11:23:51 UTC
fear of death and ignorance
papaofgirlmegan
2006-08-18 11:24:47 UTC
WHEN YOU GO TO HELL YOU WILL FIND OUT
Littlebigdog
2006-08-18 11:44:52 UTC
The "Accident of Birth"



We are frequently told that much in our life depends on "the accident of birth". In ancient time some men were said to spring full-grown from the foreheads of the gods. That, at any rate, is not true today. Yet I understand the next best thing happened to you. You were born, I am told, in Washington, D.C., under the shadow of the White House. Well, I was born in a little thatched roof house with a cow barn attached, in Holland. You wore "silver slippers" and I wore wooden shoes.

Is this really important for our purpose? Not particularly, but it is important that neither of us was born in Guadalcanal or Timbuktu. Both of us, I mean, were born in the midst and under the influence of "Christian civilization." We shall limit our discussion, then, to the "God of Christianity." I believe, while you do not believe or are not sure that you do believe, in this particular kind of God. That will give point to our discussion. For surely there is no sense in talking about the existence of God, without knowing what kind of God it is who may or may not exist.

So much then we have gained. We at least know in general what sort of God we are going to make the subject for our conversation. If now we can come to a similar preliminary agreement as to the standard or test by which to prove or disprove God's existence, we can proceed. You, of course, do not expect me to bring God into the room here so that you may see Him. If I were able to do that, He would not be the God of Christianity. All that you expect me to do is to make it reasonable for you to believe in God. And I should like to respond quickly by saying that that is just what I am trying to do. But a moment's thought makes me hesitate. If you really do not believe in God, then you naturally do not believe that you are his creature. I, on the other hand, who do believe in God also believe, naturally, that it is reasonable for God's creature to believe in God. So I can only undertake to show that, even if it does not appear reasonable to you, it is reasonable for you, to believe in God.

I see you are getting excited. You feel a little like a man who is about to undergo a major operation. You realize that if you are to change your belief about God, you will also have to change your belief about yourself. And you are not quite ready for that. Well, you may leave if you desire. I certainly do not wish to be impolite. I only thought that as an intelligent person you would be willing to hear the "other side" of the question. And after all I am not asking you to agree with what I say. We have not really agreed on what we mean by God more than in a general and formal way. So also we need not at this point agree on the standard or test in more than a general or formal way. You might follow my argument, just for argument's sake.



Childhood

To go on, then, I can recall playing as a child in a sandbox built into a corner of the hay-barn. From the hay-barn I would go through the cow-barn to the house. Built into the hay- barn too, but with doors opening into the cow-barn, was a bed for the working-man. How badly I wanted permission to sleep in that bed for a night! Permission was finally given. Freud was still utterly unknown to me, but I had heard about ghosts and "forerunners of death." That night I heard the cows jingle their chains. I knew there were cows and that they did a lot of jingling with their chains, but after a while I was not quite certain that it was only the cows that made all the noises I heard. Wasn't there someone walking down the aisle back of the cows, and wasn't he approaching my bed? Already I had been taught to say my evening prayers. Some of the words of that prayer were to this effect: "Lord, convert me, that I may be converted." Unmindful of the paradox, I prayed that prayer that night as I had never prayed before.

I do not recall speaking either to my father or mother about my distress. They would have been unable to provide the modern remedy. Psychology did not come to their library table -- not even The Ladies Home Journal ! Yet I know what they would have said. Of course there were no ghosts, and certainly I should not be afraid anyway, since with body and soul I belonged to my Savior who died for me on the Cross and rose again that His people might be saved from hell and go to heaven! I should pray earnestly and often that the Holy Spirit might give me a new heart so that I might truly love God instead of sin and myself.

How do I know that this is the sort of thing they would have told me? Well, that was the sort of thing they spoke about from time to time. Or rather, that was the sort of thing that constituted the atmosphere of our daily life. Ours was not in any sense a pietistic family. There were not any great emotional outbursts on any occasion that I recall. There was much ado about making hay in the summer and about caring for the cows and sheep in the winter, but round about it all there was a deep conditioning atmosphere. Though there were no tropical showers of revivals, the relative humidity was always very high. At every meal the whole family was present. There was a closing as well as an opening prayer, and a chapter of the Bible was read each time. The Bible was read through from Genesis to Revelation. At breakfast or at dinner, as the case might be, we would hear of the New Testament, or of "the children of Gad after their families, of Zephon and Haggi and Shuni and Ozni, of Eri and Areli." I do not claim that I always fully understood the meaning of it all. Yet of the total effect there can be no doubt. The Bible became for me, in all its parts, in every syllable, the very Word of God. I learned that I must believe the Scripture story, and that "faith" was a gift of God. What had happened in the past, and particularly what had happened in the past in Palestine, was of the greatest moment to me. In short, I was brought up in what Dr. Joad would call "topographical and temporal parochialism." I was "conditioned" in the most thorough fashion. I could not help believing in God -- in the God of Christianity -- in the God of the whole Bible!

Living next to the Library of Congress, you were not so restricted. Your parents were very much enlightened in their religious views. They read to you from some Bible of the World instead of from the Bible of Palestine. No, indeed, you correct me, they did no such thing. They did not want to trouble you about religious matters in your early days. They sought to cultivate the "open mind" in their children.

Shall we say then that in my early life I was conditioned to believe in God, while you were left free to develop your own judgment as you pleased? But that will hardly do. You know as well as I that every child is conditioned by its environment. You were as thoroughly conditioned not to believe in God as I was to believe in God. So let us not call each other names. If you want to say that belief was poured down my throat, I shall retort by saying that unbelief was poured down your throat. That will get us set for our argument.



Objections Raised

By this time you are probably wondering whether I have really ever heard the objections which are raised against belief in such a God. Well, I think I have. I heard them from my teachers who sought to answer them. I also heard them from teachers who believed they could not be answered. While a student at Princeton Seminary I attended summer courses in the Chicago Divinity School. Naturally I heard the modern or liberal view of Scripture set forth fully there. And after graduation from the Seminary I spent two years at Princeton University for graduate work in philosophy. There the theories of modern philosophy were both expounded and defended by very able men. In short I was presented with as full a statement of the reasons for disbelief as I had been with the reasons for belief. I heard both sides fully from those who believed what they taught.

You have compelled me to say this by the look on your face. Your very gestures suggest that you cannot understand how any one acquainted with the facts and arguments presented by modern science and philosophy can believe in a God who really created the world, who really directs all things in the world by a plan to the ends He has in view for them. Well, I am only one of many who hold to the old faith in full view of what is said by modern science, modern philosophy, and modern Biblical criticism.

Obviously I cannot enter into a discussion of all the facts and all the reasons urged against belief in God. There are those who have made the Old Testament, as there are those who have made the New Testament, their life-long study. It is their works you must read for a detailed refutation of points of Biblical criticism. Others have specialized in physics and biology. To them I must refer you for a discussion of the many points connected with such matters as evolution. But there is something that underlies all these discussions. And it is with that something that I now wish to deal.

You may think I have exposed myself terribly. Instead of talking about God as something vague and indefinite, after the fashion of the modernist, the Barthians, and the mystic, a god so empty of content and remote from experience as to make no demands upon men, I have loaded down the idea of God with "antiquated" science and "contradictory" logic. It seems as though I have heaped insult upon injury by presenting the most objectionable sort of God I could find. It ought to be very easy for you to ***** my bubble. I see you are ready to read over my head bushels of facts taken from the standard college texts on physics, biology, anthropology, and psychology, or to crush me with your sixty-ton tanks taken from Kant's famous book, The Critique of Pure Reason . But I have been under these hot showers now a good many times. Before you take the trouble to open the faucet again there is a preliminary point I want to bring up. I have already referred to it when we were discussing the matter of test or standard.

The point is this. Not believing in God, we have seen , you do not think yourself to be God's creature. And not believing in God you do not think the universe has been created by God. That is to say, you think of yourself and the world as just being there. Now if you actually are God's creature, then your present attitude is very unfair to Him. In that case it is even an insult to Him. And having insulted God, His displeasure rests upon you. God and you are not on "speaking terms." And you have very good reasons for trying to prove that He does not exist. If He does exist, He will punish you for your disregard of Him. You are therefore wearing colored glasses. And this determines everything you say about the facts and reasons for not believing in Him. You have had your picnics and hunting parties there without asking His permission. You have taken the grapes of God's vineyard without paying Him any rent and you have insulted His representatives who asked you for it.

I must make an apology to you at this point. We who believe in God have not always made this position plain. Often enough we have talked with you about facts and sound reasons as though we agreed with you on what these really are. In our arguments for the existence of God we have frequently assumed that you and we together have an area of knowledge on which we agree. But we really do not grant that you see any fact in any dimension of life truly. We really think you have colored glasses on your nose when you talk about chickens and cows, as well as when you talk about the life hereafter. We should have told you this more plainly than we did. But we were really a little ashamed of what would appear to you as a very odd or extreme position. We were so anxious not to offend you that we offended our own God. But we dare no longer present our God to you as smaller or less exacting than He really is. He wants to be presented as the All-Conditioner, as the emplacement on which even those who deny Him must stand.

Now in presenting all your facts and reasons to me, you have assumed that such a God does not exist. You have taken for granted that you need no emplacement of any sort outside of yourself. You have assumed the autonomy of your own experience. Consequently you are unable -- that is, unwilling -- to accept as a fact any fact that would challenge your self-sufficiency. And you are bound to call that contradictory which does not fit into the reach of your intellectual powers. You remember what old Procrustes did. If his visitors were too long, he cut off a few slices at each end; if they were too short, he used the curtain stretcher on them. It is that sort of thing I feel that you have done with every fact of human experience. And I am asking you to be critical of this your own most basic assumption. Will you not go into the basement of your own experience to see what has been gathering there while you were busy here and there with the surface inspection of life? You may be greatly surprised at what you find there.

To make my meaning clearer, I shall illustrate what I have said by pointing out how modern philosophers and scientists handle the facts and doctrines of Christianity.

Basic to all the facts and doctrines of Christianity and therefore involved in the belief in God, is the creation doctrine. Now modern philosophers and scientists as a whole claim that to hold such a doctrine or to believe in such a fact is to deny our own experience. They mean this not merely in the sense that no one was there to see it done, but in the more basic sense that it is logically impossible. They assert that it would break the fundamental laws of logic.

The current argument against the creation doctrine derives from Kant. It may fitly be expressed in the words of a more recent philosopher, James Ward: "If we attempt to conceive of God apart from the world, there is nothing to lead us on to creation" (Realm of Ends , p. 397). That is to say, if God is to be connected to the universe at all, he must be subject to its conditions. Here is the old creation doctrine. It says that God has caused the world to come into existence. But what do we mean by the word "cause"? In our experience, it is that which is logically correlative to the word "effect". If you have an effect you must have a cause and if you have a cause you must have an effect. If God caused the world, it must therefore have been because God couldn't help producing an effect. And so the effect may really be said to be the cause of the cause. Our experience can therefore allow for no God other than one that is dependent upon the world as much as the world is dependent upon Him.

The God of Christianity cannot meet these requirements of the autonomous man. He claims to be all-sufficient. He claims to have created the world, not from necessity but from His free will. He claims not to have changed in Himself when He created the world. His existence must therefore be said to be impossible and the creation doctrine must be said to be an absurdity.

The doctrine of providence is also said to be at variance with experience. This is but natural. One who rejects creation must logically also reject providence. If all things are controlled by God's providence, we are told, there can be nothing new and history is but a puppet dance.

You see then that I might present to you great numbers of facts to prove the existence of God. I might say that every effect needs a cause. I might point to the wonderful structure of the eye as evidence of God's purpose in nature. I might call in the story of mankind through the past to show that it has been directed and controlled by God. All these evidences would leave you unaffected. You would simply say that however else we may explain reality, we cannot bring in God. Cause and purpose, you keep repeating, are words that we human beings use with respect to things around us because they seem to act as we ourselves act, but that is as far as we can go.

And when the evidence for Christianity proper is presented to you the procedure is the same. If I point out to you that the prophecies of Scripture have been fulfilled, you will simply reply that it quite naturally appears that way to me and to others, but that in reality it is not possible for any mind to predict the future from the past. If it were, all would again be fixed and history would be without newness and freedom.

Then if I point to the many miracles, the story is once more the same. To illustrate this point I quote from the late Dr. William Adams Brown, an outstanding modernist theologian. "Take any of the miracles of the past," says Brown, "The virgin birth, the raising of Lazarus, the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Suppose that you can prove that these events happened just as they are claimed to have happened. What have you accomplished? You have shown that our previous view of the limits of the possible needs to be enlarged; that our former generalizations were too narrow and need revision; that problems cluster about the origin of life and its renewal of which we had hitherto been unaware. But the one thing which you have not shown, which indeed you cannot show, is that a miracle has happened; for that is to confess that these problems are inherently insoluble, which cannot be determined until all possible tests have been made" (God at Work, New York, 1933, p. 169). You see with what confidence Brown uses this weapon of logical impossibility against the idea of a miracle. Many of the older critics of Scripture challenged the evidence for miracle at this point or at that. They made as it were a slow, piece-meal land invasion of the island of Christianity. Brown, on the other hand, settles the matter at once by a host of stukas from the sky. Any pill boxes that he cannot destroy immediately, he will mop up later. He wants to get rapid control of the whole field first. And this he does by directly applying the law of non-contradiction. Only that is possible, says Brown, in effect, which I can show to be logically related according to my laws of logic. So then if miracles want to have scientific standing, that is be recognized as genuine facts, they must sue for admittance at the port of entry to the mainland of scientific endeavor. And admission will be given as soon as they submit to the little process of generalization which deprives them of their uniqueness. Miracles must take out naturalization papers if they wish to vote in the republic of science and have any influence there.

Take now the four points I have mentioned -- creation, providence, prophecy, and miracle. Together they represent the whole of Christian theism. Together they include what is involved in the idea of God and what He has done round about and for us. Many times over and in many ways the evidence for all these has been presented. But you have an always available and effective answer at hand. It is impossible! It is impossible! You act like a postmaster who has received a great many letters addressed in foreign languages. He says he will deliver them as soon as they are addressed in the King's English by the people who sent them. Till then they must wait in the dead letter department. Basic to all the objections the average philosopher and scientist raises against the evidence for the existence of God is the assertion or the assumption that to accept such evidence would be to break the rules of logic.

I see you are yawning. Let us stop to eat supper now. For there is one more point in this connection that I must make. You have no doubt at some time in your life been to a dentist. A dentist drills a little deeper and then a little deeper and at last comes to the nerve of the matter.

Now before I drill into the nerve of the matter, I must again make apologies. The fact that so many people are placed before a full exposition of the evidence for God's existence and yet do not believe in Him has greatly discouraged us. We have therefore adopted measures of despair. Anxious to win your good will, we have again compromised our God. Noting the fact that men do not see, we have conceded that what they ought to see is hard to see. In our great concern to win men we have allowed that the evidence for God's existence is only probably compelling. And from that fatal confession we have gone one step further down to the point where we have admitted or virtually admitted that it is not really compelling at all. And so we fall back upon testimony instead of argument. After all, we say, God is not found at the end of an argument; He is found in our hearts. So we simply testify to men that once we were dead, and now we are alive, that once we were blind and that now we see, and give up all intellectual argument.

Do you suppose that our God approves of this attitude of His followers? I do not think so. The God who claims to have made all facts and to have placed His stamp upon them will not grant that there is really some excuse for those who refuse to see. Besides, such a procedure is self-defeating. If someone in your home town of Washington denied that there was any such thing as a United States Government would you take him some distance down the Potomac and testify to him that there is? So your experience and testimony of regeneration would be meaningless except for the objective truth of the objective facts that are presupposed by it. A testimony that is not an argument is not a testimony either, just as an argument that is not a testimony is not even an argument.

Waiving all this for the moment, let us see what the modern psychologist of religion, who stands on the same foundation with the philosopher, will do to our testimony. He makes a distinction between the raw datum and its cause, giving me the raw datum and keeping for himself the explanation of the cause. Professor James H. Leuba, a great psychologist of Bryn Mawr, has a procedure that is typical. He says, "The reality of any given datum -- of an immediate experience in the sense in which the term is used here, may not be impugned: When I feel cold or warm, sad or gay, discouraged or confident, I am cold, sad, discouraged, etc., and every argument which might be advanced to prove to me that I am not cold is, in the nature of the case, preposterous; an immediate experience may not be controverted; it cannot be wrong." All this seems on the surface to be very encouraging. The immigrant is hopeful of a ready and speedy admittance. However, Ellis Island must still be passed. "But if the raw data of experience are not subject to criticism, the causes ascribed to them are. If I say that my feeling of cold is due to an open window, or my state of exultation to a drug, or my renewed courage to God, my affirmation goes beyond my immediate experience; I have ascribed a cause to it, and that cause may be the right or the wrong one." (God or Man, New York, 1933, p. 243.) And thus the immigrant must wait at Ellis Island a million years. That is to say, I as a believer in God through Christ, assert that I am born again through the Holy Spirit. The Psychologist says that is a raw datum of experience and as such incontrovertible. We do not, he says, deny it. But it means nothing to us. If you want it to mean something to us you must ascribe a cause to your experience. We shall then examine the cause. Was your experience caused by opium or God? You say by God. Well, that is impossible since as philosophers we have shown that it is logically contradictory to believe in God. You may come back at any time when you have changed your mind about the cause of your regeneration. We shall be glad to have you and welcome you as a citizen of our realm, if only you take out your naturalization papers!

We seem now to have come to a pretty pass. We agreed at the outset to tell each other the whole truth. If I have offended you it has been because I dare not, even in the interest of winning you, offend my God. And if I have not offended you I have not spoken of my God. For what you have really done in your handling of the evidence for belief in God, is to set yourself up as God. You have made the reach of your intellect, the standard of what is possible or not possible. You have thereby virtually determined that you intend never to meet a fact that points to God. Facts, to be facts at all -- facts, that is, with decent scientific and philosophic standing -- must have your stamp instead of that of God upon them as their virtual creator.

Of course I realize full well that you do not pretend to create redwood trees and elephants. But you do virtually assert that redwood trees and elephants cannot be created by God. You have heard of the man who never wanted to see or be a purple cow. Well, you have virtually determined that you never will see or be a created fact. With Sir Arthur Eddington you say as it were, "What my net can't catch isn't fish."

Nor do I pretend, of course, that once you have been brought face to face with this condition, you can change your attitude. No more than the Ethiopian can change his skin or the leopard his spots can you change your attitude. You have cemented your colored glasses to your face so firmly that you cannot even take them off when you sleep. Freud has not even had a glimpse of the sinfulness of sin as it controls the human heart. Only the great Physician through His blood atonement on the Cross and by the gift of His Spirit can take those colored glasses off and make you see facts as they are, facts as evidence, as inherently compelling evidence, for the existence of God.

It ought to be pretty plain now what sort of God I believe in. It is God, the All-Conditioner. It is the God who created all things, Who by His providence conditioned my youth, making me believe in Him, and who in my later life by His grace still makes me want to believe in Him. It is the God who also controlled your youth and so far has apparently not given you His grace that you might believe in Him.

You may reply to this: "Then what's the use of arguing and reasoning with me?" Well, there is a great deal of use in it. You see, if you are really a creature of God, you are always accessible to Him. When Lazarus was in the tomb he was still accessible to Christ who called him back to life. It is this on which true preachers depend. The prodigal [son] thought he had clean escaped from the father's influence. In reality the father controlled the "far country" to which the prodigal had gone. So it is in reasoning. True reasoning about God is such as stands upon God as upon the emplacement that alone gives meaning to any sort of human argument. And such reasoning, we have a right to expect, will be used of God to break down the one-horse chaise of human autonomy.

But now I see you want to go home. And I do not blame you; the last bus leaves at twelve. I should like to talk again another time. I invite you to come to dinner next Sunday. But I have pricked your bubble, so perhaps you will not come back. And yet perhaps you will. That depends upon the Father's pleasure. Deep down in your heart you know very well that what I have said about you is true. You know there is no unity in your life. You want no God who by His counsel provides for the unity you need. Such a God, you say, would allow for nothing new. So you provide your own unity. But this unity must, by your own definition, not kill that which is wholly new. Therefore it must stand over against the wholly new and never touch it at all. Thus by your logic you talk about possibles and impossibles, but all this talk is in the air. By your own standards it can never have anything to do with reality. Your logic claims to deal with eternal and changeless matters; and your facts are wholly changing things; and "never the twain shall meet." So you have made nonsense of your own experience. With the prodigal you are at the swine-trough, but it may be that, unlike the prodigal, you will refuse to return to the father's house.

On the other hand by my belief in God I do have unity in my experience. Not of course the sort of unity that you want. Not a unity that is the result of my own autonomous determination of what is possible. But a unity that is higher than mine and prior to mine. On the basis of God's counsel I can look for facts and find them without destroying them in advance. On the basis of God's counsel I can be a good physicist, a good biologist, a good psychologist, or a good philosopher. In all these fields I use my powers of logical arrangement in order to see as much order in God's universe as it may be given a creature to see. The unities, or systems that I make are true because [they are] genuine pointers toward the basic or original unity that is found in the counsel of God.

Looking about me I see both order and disorder in every dimension of life. But I look at both of them in the light of the Great Orderer Who is back of them. I need not deny either of them in the interest of optimism or in the interest of pessimism. I see the strong men of biology searching diligently through hill and dale to prove that the creation doctrine is not true with respect to the human body, only to return and admit that the missing link is missing still. I see the strong men of psychology search deep and far into the sub-consciousness, child and animal consciousness, in order to prove that the creation and providence doctrines are not true with respect to the human soul, only to return and admit that the gulf between human and animal intelligence is as great as ever. I see the strong men of logic and scientific methodology search deep into the transcendental for a validity that will not be swept away by the ever-changing tide of the wholly new, only to return and say that they can find no bridge from logic to reality, or from reality to logic. And yet I find all these, though standing on their heads, reporting much that is true. I need only to turn their reports right side up, making God instead of man the center of it all, and I have a marvelous display of the facts as God has intended me to see them.

And if my unity is comprehensive enough to include the efforts of those who reject it, it is large enough even to include that which those who have been set upright by regeneration cannot see. My unity is that of a child who walks with its father through the woods. The child is not afraid because its father knows it all and is capable of handling every situation. So I readily grant that there are some "difficulties" with respect to belief in God and His revelation in nature and Scripture that I cannot solve. In fact there is mystery in every relationship with respect to every fact that faces me, for the reason that all facts have their final explanation in God Whose thoughts are higher than my thoughts, and Whose ways are higher than my ways. And it is exactly that sort of God that I need. Without such a God, without the God of the Bible, the God of authority, the God who is self-contained and therefore incomprehensible to men, there would be no reason in anything. No human being can explain in the sense of seeing through all things, but only he who believes in God has the right to hold that there is an explanation at all.

So you see when I was young I was conditioned on every side; I could not help believing in God. Now that I am older I still cannot help believing in God. I believe in God now because unless I have Him as the All-Conditioner, life is Chaos.

I shall not convert you at the end of my argument. I think the argument is sound. I hold that belief in God is not merely as reasonable as other belief, or even a little or infinitely more probably true than other belief; I hold rather that unless you believe in God you can logically believe in nothing else. But since I believe in such a God, a God who has conditioned you as well as me, I know that you can to your own satisfaction, by the help of the biologists, the psychologists, the logicians, and the Bible critics reduce everything I have said this afternoon and evening to the circular meanderings of a hopeless authoritarian. Well, my meanderings have, to be sure, been circular; they have made everything turn on God. So now I shall leave you with Him, and with His mercy.



The End


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