Question:
Is the Nicene Creed (381 AD) wrong that there is only one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church?
Bruce
2014-02-26 06:25:53 UTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

The gospel accounts and the Acts of the Apostles show that the church is an actual human organization with leaders, members, doctrines, and ritual actions. For example, it had a leader, originally Peter (Matt 16-18-19), who along with other apostles, could make decisions about doctrine in fidelity with Jesus' teaching (e.g., the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15).

The church had to power to settle disputes among believers and to exclude people from the church. Matt 18:15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector."
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2014-02-26 06:27:11 UTC
Christ gave the "keys to the kingdom" to Peter and by right of apostolic succession, to the Catholic & Orthodox churches (the term catholic means 'universal').

Modern Protestant sects prefer to follow the teachings of men, which is EXACTLY what Matthew's gospel warns against.



Christ tells us in the gospels that NO LEADER MAY SET UP HIS OWN INTERPRETATION of the Christian faith and seek followers for his own opinions.



The role of leaders in Christ's Church is faithfully to hand on CHRIST's teaching received through the apostles (Mt 28:19). The words of the apostle Paul epitomize the essential attitude of the Christian teacher: "This is what I received from the Lord and in turn passed on to you" (1 Cor 11:23). Paul condemns in the church at Corinth "these slogans you have, like 'I am for Paul,' 'I am for Apollos,' 'I am for Cephas' (1 Cor 1:12) and tells them not to follow men, but follow the teachings of Christ.



The history of Protestantism is essentially the story of this very process--the unending proliferation of sectarian groups, saying "I am for Martin Luther" or "I am for John Calvin" or "I am for John Wesley." The World Christian Encyclopedia (David B. Barrett, ed.; Oxford, 1982) reported that in 1980 there were 20,780 distinguishable Christian denominations in the world. Moreover, at the time the encyclopedia was published, an average of 270 new denominations were springing up each year--more than five every week. If that rate has continued, then there are over 25,000 denominations today.



Every single one of these competing, contradicting denominations was formed by some person who said, in effect, "Call me 'Master,' call me 'Teacher'; I will tell you what the truth is!"

and so we have people following Mohammad, Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, etc.

and not following the teachings of Christ.
Olive Garden
2014-02-26 08:37:55 UTC
1] The Apostles Creed predates the Nicene Creed; thus it is right that there is One, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church

Confessional Christianity

The Apostle’s Creed is the oldest accepted creed in the Christian/Catholic Church. Here you will learn the meaning behind the Apostle’s Creed and how it is derived from Scriptures. Many controversies have occurred between different sects of Christendom concerning the Scripturalness of the Creed. The Apostle’s Creed was what believers in the early Church were required to believe and confess concerning God before becoming members of the church. This creed starts with the creation of the world and ends with the Last Judgment which covers the basis of all Theology.

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!" —

Galatians 1:8 NASB

St Ignatius called the christian church 107 as CATHOLIC, as the apostles called themselves catholic.

2] the 325 AD Nicene Creed affirmed the Apostles Creed because of the squabbling of the Catholic and the heretical group

3] Thus the catholic church means: Western and eastern rites catholic: 1 Roman church and 22 eastern rites catholic.

4] The creed is an affirmation of the early christians in the belief of God the Holy Trinity: God the Father, the Son n Holy Spirit. Thus Holy Trinity God is already being worship during the very, very early christian era.
Jim
2014-02-26 09:02:58 UTC
The "one holy Catholic church" referred to in the Nicene creed is not an institution per se, but is the invisible church of all the redeemed. Every institutional church is a mix of the redeemed and unredeemed, even at the level of leadership. The word church literally means, "called out ones", and refers to the regenerate saints made alive by the Spirit of God and purchased by the blood of Christ. Thus to refer to "the church" as a group of people who belong to an earthly institution is not entirely accurate.



Yes, the institutional church is charged with church discipline, etc., and is a vital part of God's redemptive plan on earth. But there are also many institutional churches that may be entirely made up of unregenerate people. That is NOT a church at all in the biblical sense, but is a psuedo-church.



The word "Catholic" is not a reference to a denomination, but rather the universality of the church. Indeed Catholic means "universal". Another distinction that the Nicene Creed makes is that the true church is the "apostolic church". A church cannot truly be apostolic in nature when it has transcended the bounds of the apostolic writings in the scriptures and has embraced church traditions as equally authoritative. An apostolic church must be strictly apostolic, or it is not truly apostolic. That would be like calling a can of paint 'latex paint' when it has oil based paint mixed in with it. At that point it is no longer latex paint, even though it contains latex paint. The same applies to the apostolic church. It is either entirely based upon the apostolic teachings, or else it is not apostolic.
2016-04-06 13:26:09 UTC
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Jesus Christ started a church in 33AD, not a religion. Religion came about with Martin Luther and reformation. All Christians prior to the reformation were of the Catholic Church. If we wish to locate the Church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks or qualities of his Church. The Church we seek must be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic. The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, ) Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of differing churches (Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on). The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23–32). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church. His Church also teaches just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2). Although some Catholics dissent from officially-taught doctrines, the Church’s official teachers—the pope and the bishops united with him—have never changed any doctrine. Over the centuries, as doctrines are examined more fully, the Church comes to understand them more deeply (John 16:12–13), but it never understands them to mean the opposite of what they once meant. The Church Is Holy (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8, ) By his grace Jesus makes the Church holy, just as he is holy. This doesn’t mean that each member is always holy. Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the Church (John 6:70), and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:21–23). But the Church itself is holy because it is the source of holiness and is the guardian of the special means of grace Jesus established, the sacraments (cf. Eph. 5:26). The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10, ) Jesus’ Church is called catholic ("universal" in Greek) because it is his gift to all people. He told his apostles to go throughout the world and make disciples of "all nations" (Matt. 28:19–20). For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has carried out this mission, preaching the good news that Christ died for all men and that he wants all of us to be members of his universal family (Gal. 3:28). Nowadays the Catholic Church is found in every country of the world and is still sending out missionaries to "make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19). The Church Jesus established was known by its most common title, "the Catholic Church," at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one Church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatius’s time, which means it probably went all the way back to the time of the apostles. The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20, CCC 857–865) The Church Jesus founded is apostolic because he appointed the apostles to be the first leaders of the Church, and their successors were to be its future leaders. The apostles were the first bishops, and, since the first century, there has been an unbroken line of Catholic bishops faithfully handing on what the apostles taught the first Christians in Scripture and oral Tradition (2 Tim. 2:2). These beliefs include the bodily Resurrection of Jesus, the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, the sacrificial nature of the Mass, the forgiveness of sins through a priest, baptismal regeneration, the existence of purgatory, Mary’s special role, and much more —even the doctrine of apostolic succession itself. Early Christian writings prove the first Christians were thoroughly Catholic in belief and practice and looked to the successors of the apostles as their leaders. What these first Christians believed is still believed by the Catholic Church. No other Church can make that claim.
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2016-12-15 14:24:03 UTC
Nicene Creed Wiki
sylvia c
2014-02-26 20:02:24 UTC
actually catholic means universal so there isnt anything wrong with that, It does not say Roman catholic church, and Peter is not a pope or ever was a pope He was a servant of Christ to whom the Holy spirit revealed that Christ is the Son of the Living God as Christ pointed out to Peter that it was not flesh and blood which had revealed this to him. shortly after Peter denied the Christ three times being afraid for his own life. but yes we are justified by faith in Christ and His Word. The roman catholic church fell far from the Word which Christ spoke as they even forbid the ordinary people to read the Word of God, a false church, the whore of babylon which sits upon seven hills. the Vatican

Christ saves not the church, and Paul does warn that anyone preaches a different gospel than Christ crucifixion and God raising Him from the dead. let him be accursed. the roman catholic church still have Christ on the cross, He Has Risen.
rac
2014-02-26 07:45:51 UTC
Bruce,

This is where we will probably disagree. Constantine held the Nicene Counsel in 325 A.D., I believe, and established the Roman Catholic Church as the State Church of the Roman Empire.

We don't believe that he had any authority to do what he did. All of the Apostles were long since dead and new apostles had not been ordained by the living apostles to keep the quorum of Apostles alive. Therefore, the apostolic authority was lost with the loss of the apostles themselves. The local church leaders, the local bishops, tried the best they knew how to keep Christ's teachings alive but without the apostolic leadership they foundered in discord and altered the doctrines for their own purposes. This is what we call the great apostasy or the falling away spoken of by Paul. This set the stage for the restitution of all things spoken of by Peter.

Yes, there is only one Roman Catholic Church, although the Greek Orthodox and the Russian Orthodox might disagree. However, I do not recognize it as apostolic at all because they lacked apostolic authority to organize and to do what they did.

The Restitution, or restoration, began with the Father and the Son visiting young Joseph Smith in Palmyra, New York in 1820. Prior to the date, the stage was being set by all of the reformation efforts of Luther, Calvin, Westley, Penn, etc. The people had to be able to accept new ideas and new doctrines before the restoration could take place. Likewise, America had to be established, a land with guaranteed religious freedom. A land with a State religion would never suffice for the restoration to take place.
?
2014-02-26 15:22:28 UTC
The word Church in the Bible is not priests and bishops---it is the entire congregation.



There is only one catholic church---I would agree as long as you don't capitalize the C in catholic. There is only one church---there are no denominations amongst the true consecrated Christians---the Catholic Church is a denomination just like the Protestants.



I do not call myself by any denominational name--I am a Christian.



What scriptures do you use to justify "apostolic Church"? Paul told Titus and Timothy to appoint elders (ministers) in the newly formed churches (congregations), once they were established they would do the electing themselves.



Apostolic succession is not in the scriptures.



Just because a council makes up a bunch of stuff--doesn't mean it is ordained of God. Creeds are wrong in themselves, one is not acceptable to God because they can agree to a list of doctrines acceptable to a certain group--one is acceptable to God because they have given their life to Him and always expect a "thus saith the Lord" from anyone who teaches them and for all that they do and believe.



Creeds are just like what Jesus condemns the Jews for --their traditions which make the Word of God null and void.
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Bill Mac
2014-02-26 07:49:34 UTC
The Nicene Creed was formed by a council in Nicea in 325 and was modified by Constantine and another council in 381. There is only one holy catholic and apostolic church established by Christ... and it is comprised of all Christian believers. Everything else is disputes of power and authority, greed and various scriptural understandings and interpretations.
Al
2014-02-26 06:26:59 UTC
Nicene Creed - 325, not 381
Monica V
2014-02-26 10:59:27 UTC
If you understand the difference between catholic and Catholic, then it is correct in that regard. If you think catholic means Catholic, then you misunderstand the language and meaning of the creed.
Bamboo tiger
2014-02-26 20:18:46 UTC
Was Peter the First Pope?



To prove that the church is founded on Peter, Catholics have long pointed to Jesus’ words recorded at Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock-mass I will build my congregation.” In fact, those words are inscribed in Latin under the dome of St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome.



Augustine, a revered Church Father, at one time held that the congregation was built on Peter. However, toward the end of his life, he changed his view of what Jesus’ words meant. In a work known as Retractations, Augustine argued that it was Jesus on whom the church, that is the Christian congregation, was built, not Peter.



Jesus’ discussion with Peter centered on identifying the Christ and his role, not on the role that Peter would play. (Matthew 16:13-17) Peter himself later stated that Jesus was the rock upon which the congregation was built. (1 Peter 2:4-8) The apostle Paul confirmed that Jesus, not Peter, was “the foundation cornerstone” of the Christian congregation.—Ephesians 2:20.



Although Peter was given great responsibility, nowhere in the Bible do we find him claiming to be the head of the congregation and, as such, making decisions for the disciples as a group. In his letter, he called himself “an apostle” and “an older man”—nothing more.—1 Peter 1:1; 5:1.





The apostle Peter himself told the men who were taking the lead in the congregation not to be “lording it over those who are God’s inheritance”; they were to gird themselves with lowliness of mind toward one another. (1 Peter 5:1-5) The apostle Paul warned that from within the congregation, men would rise who would “speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.” (Acts 20:30) Toward the end of the first century C.E., the apostle John wrote a letter in which he strongly denounced a disciple by the name of Diotrephes. Why the reprimand? One reason was that this man ‘liked to have the first place’ in the congregation. (3 John 9) Such counsel from the apostles acted as a restraint, thwarting for a time the ambitions of those who were seeking prominence.—2 Thessalonians 2:3-8.



Shortly after the last of the apostles died, individuals began to gain more prominence. The Cambridge History of Christianity says: “Probably there was no single ‘monarchical’ bishop in Rome before the middle of the second century.” By the third century, the bishop of Rome established himself as the highest authority, at least for parts of the church.



One evidence that Peter was not head of the congregation in Rome is that when the apostle Paul wrote his letter to the Romans, he included an extensive list of Christians there. Yet, he did not mention Peter at all. (Romans 16:1-23)



Note, too, that about the time that Peter wrote his first inspired letter, Paul wrote a second letter to Timothy. In that letter, Paul did not hesitate to mention Rome. Actually, Paul wrote six letters from Rome, all without any mention of Peter.



Some 30 years after Paul wrote his letters, the apostle John wrote three letters and the book of Revelation. Nowhere in these writings did John mention that the congregation in Rome was the most prominent one, nor did he refer to a leader of the church who held the supreme office of an alleged successor of Peter. Neither the Bible nor the evidence from history supports the claim that Peter established himself as the first bishop of the congregation in Rome.
?
2014-02-26 06:34:08 UTC
I guess not, but we said it every Sunday at our Southern Baptist church with no clue why we were saying Catholic when our preachers were calling Catholics pagans and the Whore of Babylon.
2014-02-26 12:20:37 UTC
In every biblical way it is wrong.



1. Call no MAN Father.....Jesus said that, direct violation of what the Lord God said....



Catholic means ..universal, Jesus said Few there be



Infant baptism.... eg. head of Mafia baptized!!?, makes mockery of Jesus.



Mary...pray to Mary?



This is seriously wrong.



Lots more than this....idols Sunday worship... They will find themselves in big trouble leading so many people away from the bible.
2 Shepherds
2014-02-26 07:03:04 UTC
Nope, it's not wrong. What's wrong is that your denomination uses the word "catholic", which means universal, to refer to itself alone when the truth is that all denominations are part of that "catholic" church Jesus began.
2014-02-26 06:38:19 UTC
Well...I think you have explained thoroughly that it is RIGHT.


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