Could Creationists respond to this Analogy please?

Question

You know nothing about cars.. Your car breaks down, so you go into an enormous mechanic convention. There are millions of mechanics from all across the world there, and they all have Ph.D s in their field. All of them look at your car and they all unanimously agree it's your alternator. You, despite having absolutely NO training and no nothing about cars/machines say "no, it's not my alternator. If it was my alternator then i would have low gasoline." Then the mechanics tell you unanimously that your alternator can be broken and you still have high gasoline but you say "nope, that's not true The problem is the tires.". They then take out and hold up your alternator which is totally fried. But you, despite your lack of training, know better. You know more about cars than all of these Ph.Ds. So you go to that crummy garage run by two guys who barely passed a course at the worst mechanic university, and they tell you that it is, as you thought, your tires.



For those too dumb to understand the analogy:

Cars = science

Mechanics = scientists

Why did my car break down? = Where did these different species of animal and plant come from?

Alternator = Evolution

"it couldn't have been the alternator because of gasoline" = the scientifically false arguments against evolution, eg "evolution violates the second law of thermo dynamics"

Show you the fried alternator = show you the evidence for evolution

the two unqualified mechanics = "scientists" like Bruce Chapman (discovery institute).

"the problem is the tires" = creationism.








Despite no training and no scientific knowledge you feel you can overwrite almost every Ph.D biologist on the planet.




And yes, somewhere arround 99.98% of biologist scientists accept evolution, look it up.

Answer 1

I understand your analogy, but it fails for a couple of reasons.



First, biologists, unlike mechanics, are under duress to adhere to Darwinism. Like clergyman in the Middle Ages, biologists face punishment if they deviate from the Darwinist dogmas. They won't be hired, or they could lose their jobs, or they could be denied tenure and promotion, and they will not be published in peer-reviewed journals. This exerts pressure to endorse Darwin's speculations.



Second, biologists can't produce a "fried alternator," i.e., any effective evidence for the theory that species mutate and produce whole new limbs or organ systems. At best, they can point to minor microevolutions within a species.



Cheers,

Bruce

Answer 2

I think you've confused yourself. There never will be an enormous mechanics convention they are all crummy garages just some make more money than others advertise better so only appear bigger. If the alternator is gone then no matter what they fix the car will not work. Your analogy would mean religion has never succeeded but find one civilization where religion has not been a cornerstone and atheism has not been linked to anarchy?



But anyway a garage is a garage and a common trick used by atheists is calling themselves a better garage when they use the exact same tools and have been caught out many a times overcharging and doing a bad job. You can't pick and choose facts.



Plus no two will agree on facts and they will fight for business so like science they have a few facts which can be proven but the rest is pure supposition and theory. Science, religion and philiosphy were one it's why civilizations were created, now they try and separate it.



Second, there are more theories than facts in science and it changes all the time as theory replaces better theory. What do you think CERN is for?



As for the rest maybe lookup Piltdown Man and science hoax and you'll realize why people take these "evolutionists" with a pinch of salt as they have no tangible facts just theory and more theory which they are putting forward as facts yet to be confirmed.



the best explanation a real scientist can give is "it requires further study" because evolution does not pass the tests required to change from theory to fact.



A little knowledge of science makes you an atheist, in depth knowledge makes you a believer - Francis Bacon

Answer 3

Science and evolution and your "analogy" are nothing alike. Evolution is not proven at all. and the ideas that the people have on the beginning of life on earth such as a bunch of proteins and other chemicals bouncing around and just forming life on there own. Which scientists have not been able to replicate while giving the chemicals a lot of help. Or crystals in a cave that eventually were able to replicate themselves and yes that's a real theory. In my opinion intelligent design by a greater being than us is the best idea I have heard. Many scientists that are respected believe in intelligent design or creationism. Which by the way are not the same thing. So if you want to say that religion is ridiculous so is evolution in fact more so than anything else.

Answer 4

Historically, the monolithic view of science has been wrong most of the time. Are you saying truth is determined by popularity among elitests? Your 99 % believe in evolution is bunk too, or recommend me a link that confirms that. You are dreaming. Darwinism is the creation myth of the 20th century, it is fraught with real problems and has historically been supported by fraud, manipulation and the hard sell. At this time no major science journals will even accept an article that mildly considers intelligent design or creationism, that is not open minded, that is close minded. If we creationists/ID folks are such idiots, then prove it. You will not consider any alternative...none...that is not science.

Here is the main problem with Darwinism. If it is absolutely true then everything is determined, bound unable to change, even your view that Darwinism is true. You believe Darwinism purely absolutely because of your DNA and your environmental experiences. Therefore, logically, your view has no truth value.

Our universe is immensely complex, incredibly organized and has many harmoniously operating systems. To the most casual observer it is more of a garden than a glob. Yet, you inexplicably believe it is all mere a result time plus chance. The 2nd law of thermodynamics does not get broken. Over time with chance, every system moves towards chaos.

Answer 5

another view

Analogy



The bridge called evolution is OUT.

Cars ( people ) are backed up all the way across the country, bumper to bumper, everyone sits believing that the flow will pick up and they will be able to continue in the direction they are headed.

The creationist warns the people / cars that the bridge is OUT, and no one will listen, they continue to wait for the flow to move on in that direction.Yet the traffic is at a dead stop. No room to turn around, nor does anyone of these want to turn around.

The creationist tells them that their is another route that is open and is easily traveled and is a SURE way to get to the destination, yet the road is not as wide ( due to non belief) but is the Sure and only way to get there.

The creationists are moving along smoothly on this narrow road and their travel is easy and they are assured to get to the destination.

It is not a issue of intelligence, it is an issue of what is working.

Galatians 6: 7

Do Not Be Deceived, God is not Mocked; for whatever a man sows, that will he also reap.

Answer 6

I think your "analogy" is contrived, religiously bigoted, and inaccurately represents the problem.



If your silly analogy, every detail about the car can be known. The PhD's have all of the knowledge about every aspect of the car. And the creationist is simply a stupid individual. In reality, none of those things are true.



Neo-Darwinism is a theory that is constantly in flux, simply because not everything that can be known about it is known. What's more, those who research the theory and attempt to provide support often produce results that are contradictory to the work of others. Creationists attempt to understand and unify that scientific knowledge along with Biblical revelation.



So you're wrong on all counts, and you're committing one of the most basic errors in social psychology: you're assuming that others who are different than you have a failure of character or intelligence.



I'd put this guy up against your intelligence any day, and he's both a Creationist AND a PhD: http://www.reasonablefaith.org.



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Your updated comments take issue with my use of the term "religiously bigoted," because you say you're not attacking people who are religious. I find that quite interesting. Are you somehow under the impression that there are NON-religious people who are nevertheless Creationists?



Creationists are, by definition, religious people. When you attack Creationists, you are ridiculing Creationism and Creationist people.



What's more, by your analogy you've already made it clear that if I'm a Creationist, you think I have no intellectual credibility to begin with, so I've hardly lost anything by pointing out the truth of the failure of your analogy and the inherent bigotry within.

Answer 7

Did you actually say that a "Theory" - Evolution - is proven

And that a "Law" - which means that it is fact, by the way - is scientifically false



Theory of Evolution - not proven yet

Second Law of Thermodynamics - yes, been proven



And yes, here and youtube are excellent places to get facts from

Quit tryint to fit a car analogy into a creation/evolution argument - things that are different are not the same

Answer 8

The analogy is faulty because mechanics know enough about cars to actually fix them but there is still a great deal to know about biology. Where is the cure for cancer? We do not know nearly enough about viruses to cure AIDS or even a common cold. Mechanics fix cars because they know how they are designed and by whom. Volumes could be written about how much scientists don't know. Mechanics know how cars are made and the origin of the first car. Scientists are still looking for answers and have no idea about the origin of living organisms.

Answer 9

I'm not a YEC, but I wouldn't call the diagnosis of my alternator a "theory". I believe the other part of your analogy is still saddled with that qualifier.



As analogies go, it's rather poor.



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And now we find out it isn't even your analogy.



We could make up a new analogy that speaks of a person attempting to pass themselves off as a mechanic when, in actuality, they have no such skills whatsoever.



Oh, in case you are missing the point. YOU are the that mechanic.

Answer 10

Wouldn't your time be better served going after specific people that shove their beliefs onto you, instead of lashing out at every person that believes in Creationism or God?



Not a Creationist, nor even a Christian. I believe in evolution, but alas, that doesn't mean I post something calling everyone who doesn't agree with me and 99.98% of scientists idiots.



Why not use this argument against people that attack you, instead of attacking an entire group of people first?



I haven't checked recently, but isn't evolution still a theory? Observable in bacteria and some tiny organisms.

Answer 11

I don't take the tires, I'll keep the alternator,

but take creationism science. After all,

alternators are just man made. I know, I'm

wrecking this analogy with stupid comments.

I listen to many intelligent people who aren't

using their own faith to prove something.

If it comes to faith, and it does, regardless

because you weren't there, all the scientists

weren't there, I'll take the faith that explains

very nicely for me why a single simple

pigeon could have over 1 million parts to

just it's wings. And I'll take creationism

that helps me know more about the

male/female situation where they are

so similar/so different/ yet have to be

together same place/same time. And

loads of other things like blood cells,

like nerve cells, like endorphins.

All this great serendipity that occurred

through evolution. Such fantasy.

Wouldn't mind it though, everything

would live 'happily ever after' as long

as evolution didn't 'decide???,huh??'

to evolve something beyond ourselves.

Answer 12

I understand what you are saying, but it's not at all true. That's just a biased, one-sided, uneducated argument- I'm surprised that you even know what an analogy is. Also, if you're too lazy to tell us where you got your 99.98% statistic, than nobody's going to believe you, b/c you won't even give us a source. Also, mechanics do not go to a university.

Edit-oh, we're the unintelligent ones? you wish...

Answer 13

If man evolved from apes for an example, why didn't all apes evolve into man? Why are there still apes? And have been for all recorded history ! K.I.S.S.

Answer 14

Just because most scientists believe in evolution, does not make it necessarily true

Answer 15

"There is no evidence in the fossil record of one kind of creature becoming another kind. No transitional links or intermediate forms between various kinds of creatures have ever been found." For example, "the evolutionist claims that it took perhaps fifty million years for a fish to evolve into an amphibian. But, again, there are no transitional forms. For example, not a single fossil with part fins...part feet has been found. And this is true between every major plant and animal kind."



so you believe in your blind faith, and will believe in ours.

Answer 16

YUP !



Me N Bubba thunk them air scientists r dumb !



Said The ....



Fat WA stupid, uneducated, delusional, Homophobic, Islamaphobic , racist, ignorant, stupid, war mongering, inbred, drunken, hillbilly, moron FUNDIE Cracker !



The Single Cell and the Complex DNA code that gives each individual Cell its function just happened.



No one designed it it just happened !



OR



The big bang science says an alien brought it to Earth ...



But



Wait if



Who gave it to the Alien ?



Crap it is a circle jerk.





of course the simple answer is God and the Bible proves God by prophecy !



Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.



He promised a messiah one who would be born with only a woman's Seed.



Jesus was born of a Virgin !



Mary and Joesph and their children testified that Jesus is God.



Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God.



Jesus is the WORD that made everything ...



(John 1:1 KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



(John 1:2 KJV) The same was in the beginning with God.



(John 1:3 KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



(John 1:4 KJV) In him was life; and the life was the light of men.



Jesus is the Word and that Word has life and that life is put into everyone at birth.



(John 1:14 KJV) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



John says that WE that is all of those that knew him SAW him as the Messiah begotten by the Father ... born of a Virgin .... Mary who ... lived with John after Jesus' Crucifixion .... Who did miracles himself and witnessed miracles by others.





Now Jesus says We must be born to our parents by water !



And to be part of the Kingdom of God we must be born from God above .... our second birth!



(John 3:3 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.





How?



(John 3:5 KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.



(John 3:6 KJV) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.



(John 3:7 KJV) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.



(John 3:8 KJV) The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.





We know Gods spirit because our spirit recognizes His Spirit and crys out in our heart Abba Father



Daddy .... Father .... creator of everything.



Foolish to those who perish ....



But



to those of us who are excersised the Power and Glory of God.



Is there a Spiritual World.



Yes.



The Spirit in me is me



not



the color of my skin



or



the shape of my body.



No threat just information for you to consider



What you do with the TRUTH is going to be required from us all.



Judgement starts at the household of God.



Maranatha



*** Hey doc Amazo you n Bubba went tae school on Jesus Street ? What year you gradeeaaate ?



slobbers down one cheek !



One tabbaco stained tooth showing ...



Picks out a wee tune on the 5 string waiting !



For Amazoo to lose track of tonites supper while Bubba lumbers off in tather diiie-wreck-sion



Burp !



********** Alex .... Me N Bubba threw some fish up on the bank and did us a experiment .... but



Them dad burn racoons they jes kept a eatin them fish before they could



Get one breath out.



We finally jus gave it up ?? It was not quite 25 million years we tried though.



Corn liquor helped us stay some !



Me N Bubba we like tae speerament wi stuff ?



I hear tell ... guv gran money to make mud have children ?



Where can we git this money?



*********



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Answer 17

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(The crowd goes wild.)



*Cue canned theme music*



THE END

Answer 18

And your point is???

I guarantee 99.98% of biologist scientists are not atheists.

Answer 19

the Manufacturer would know

then why don't you believe God, the Creator?

Answer 20

I'm with you, I'm an atheist. But I have to say you are a condescending little sh*t!

Answer 21

@Dr. Bob

What about aliens?

Answer 22

Read the Bible.

Answer 23

Well, duh. We all evolved from Bubbles the chimp. Everyone knows that.