Why have theists never produced a good argument for the existence for any god?

Question

Why have theists never produced a good argument for the existence for any god?

Answer 1

the universe is a pretty good argument... life is a better one... and, mankind is even better... but, salvation from sin and death is the proper, and a personal relationship with god almighty, creator of heaven and earth, by the power of the holy spirit is the proper...

Answer 2

HITLER....Has to be living proof we have no god.....

Answer 3

The universe is a pretty good argument. Life is a better one. And, mankind is even better. But, salvation from sin and death is the best, and a personal relationship with God Almighty, Creator of heaven and Earth, by the power of the Holy Spirit is the best.

Answer 4

The arguments and searches are not necessary when the evidence itself inside you/in your soul.

Answer 5

Well, there are three theological arguments for the existence of God: the cosmological argument (nothing cannot produce something), the teleological argument (the fine-tuned universe) and the ontological argument (if it is possible that a supreme being exists in any possible world, then a supreme being exists in all possible worlds). The problem is that theists assume that there is only one way to solve this arguments: God. Another flawed logic that theists use is that if these arguments prove the existence of God, then their religion must be OK, ignoring the fact that there are other religions out there.



This are philosophical arguments, it is not science. I cannot say that nothing cannot produce something, that would be a lie because I have never seen nothingness, and by nothingness I mean nothing at all, not even the most fundamental reality: spacetime, energy. As far as we know, the entire observable universe was once contained in an infinitely hot and dense atom-sized point. We cannot know if that point was originated by something else (not necessarily God), or it was always there. We also have hypothesis in which it is possible for something to come from nothing (zero energy universe hypothesis, −1+1=0).

We cannot say either that our universe is fine tuned for life, because it is bounded to probability. I mean, why do elements like carbon, oxygen and hydrogen exist, they are essential for life as we know it. Yes, they are, but they are three elements among one hundred eighteen in the periodic table, there are even toxic elements that we are not even able to be near them due to their radioactive decay. Why is the universe expanding in such a rate that it does not collapse in on itself or expanding in a higher rate avoiding the formation of galaxies, stars, planets and eventually life. We do not understand fully the nature of dark energy, but there are theories that predict that it is the result of the negative pressure of the false vacuum of space. A fine-tuned universe would not expand at all. The same happens with elementary particles, quarks for example. I can understand the existence of an up and down quark, because they are essential for life, without them we would have no proton or neutron, but I do not know why is there a top quark, whose existence in reality lasts less than a trillionth of trillionth of a second until it decays in other more stable particles. The only reason that the up and down quarks are the building blocks of atoms is that they are stable enough to last for trillions of years, but they will also eventually decay into radiation (according to some theories).

The last one, the ontological argument is not even worth to explain, its logic is not flawed, but in order for it to work you must have some other argument that proves that a concept such as a supreme being is possible. A supreme being must be all-powerful, all-knowing, all-benevolent and necessary, this means that it is eternal, it has no beginning and no end, it is in its very nature to exist, it cannot not exist. We do not know if it is possible, but everything around us tells us that it is most probably not possible. I mean, a supreme being might have got it right since the first instant.

Answer 6

There are so many good books on this that you would have to be living under a rock to be so stupid as to think there is no God.

Answer 7

Its because one doesn't exist.

Answer 8

Because they nor any leaders of that cult have never had any evidence for that false belief. They don't even know why the NT was written, they don't. They are sheep being led by goats.

Answer 9

Give them time, maybe one of them will think of a good argument tomorrow(or maybe even latter on today), then we will know for sure there is a God.

Answer 10

Forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Answer 11

theists for the life of me cannot prove the existence for gods and atheists for the life of me cannot prove gods do not exist... it's a matter of what side wants to shift the burden of proof to... since these arguments become gridlocked, one can only go by the lack of evidence...

Answer 12

What can you argue that doesn't exist?

Answer 13

They can't because there isn't any. Islam can murder all it wants but it can't produce a god.

Answer 14

So that atheists dont feel like **** and get depressed.

Answer 15

We don't have to the opposition the atheists the Communists already have openly admitted there is a god and their job is to get people not to believe in him so communism can rule!

Answer 16

You can't produce what you don't have.

Answer 17

Kayden Campbell? (im)Patience got the better of me and them combined?

Answer 18

What, you mean blind faith, logical fallacies, blind faith, illogical conclusions, blind faith, disproved statements, blind faith, unsubstantiated claims, blind faith, Youtube videos, blind faith, ambiguous and unverified scripture that's been heavily falsified, blind faith, ignorance of science, blind faith, http://www.quranandscience.com/ (stop laughing at the back), blind faith, bad maths that has nothing to do with evolution, blind faith, and an ignorance of their own history are not good arguments?

Answer 19

When you have diametrically opposed opinions, there is no middle ground.



When one group thinks that it is no mental deficiency to believe that all things have made themselves, and the other things it is God-did-it -- there cannot exist any place where the two agree, except perhaps that Tacos taste good, that a mushroom burger and fries are delicious.



Any serious meaningful exchange is impossible.

Answer 20

Christians have many good arguments for the existence of their God, but we don't know what theists who believe in many gods would say.

I doubt that you would listen to any of them anyway. Your mind slammed shut long ago.

Answer 21

That is because most of our arguments are based on the idea that in some way, emulating or even thinking in that order somehow brings us closer to that ideal we all want to live. Not for everyone. Not even a few. But for those few, it does help understand something very magical about higher ideals. That, if we practice some ritual formed from them, we are in a way making ourselves a part of that higher idea even if only for the moment the ritual is practiced. A form of mental transubstantiation.

Answer 22

By definition, theists have an argument which is good enough for them.

Atheists, similarly, will not accept any of these arguments.

Conversion is a very personal reaction.

Answer 23

Theists can't prove the existence for gods and atheists can't prove gods do not exist. It's a matter of what side wants to shift the burden of proof to. Since these arguments become gridlocked, one can only go by the lack of evidence.

Answer 24

No proofs. Plenty of motivating reasons and arguments.

Answer 25

They can't.

Answer 26

The problem for them is that there are so many good arguments for Go that to pick only one of them is very challenging.

Answer 27

'Cause there ain't none of 'em.

Answer 28

We have produced evidence and you deny everything.



2 Corinthians 4,3-4:

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Answer 29

Because you cannot prove that something that is fiction actually exits.

Answer 30

i am a God and i exist, just proved existence of a God, good day.

Answer 31

Just because you don't believe the argument doesn't mean it isn't a good one. Atheists have never produced one good argument against the existence of God but you'll claim they have and I just won't accept it. How is that any different?

Answer 32

Because there isn't any good argument.

Answer 33

Atheism's only a fad among the young or poorly educated. Others aren't so gullible:



"The question of whether there exists a Creator and Ruler of the Universe has been answered in the affirmative by some of the highest intellects that have ever existed."

–Charles Darwin, the founder of evolutionary biology, as cited in his book Descent of Man.



“Those who say that the study of science makes a man an atheist must be rather silly.”

–Nobel Prize winning physicist Max Born.



“I think only an idiot can be an atheist. We must admit that there exists an incomprehensible power or force with limitless foresight and knowledge that started the whole universe going in the first place.”

—Nobel Prize winning chemist Christian Anfinsen.



“The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.”

—Werner Heisenberg, who was awarded the 1932 Nobel Prize in Physics for the creation of quantum mechanics



“God is a mathematician of a very high order and He used advanced mathematics in constructing the universe.”

—Nobel Prize winning physicist Paul A. M. Dirac



“Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe–a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.”

“In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.”

—Albert Einstein



“The ghostly presence of virtual particles defies rational common sense and is nonintuitive for those unacquainted with physics. Religious belief in God, and Christian belief that God became Man around two thousand years ago, may seem strange to common-sense thinking. But when the most elementary physical things behave in this way, we should be prepared to accept that the deepest aspects of our existence go beyond our common-sense intuitions.”

—Nobel Prize winning physicist Tony Hewish



More here:



'Quotes about God to consider…if you think science leads to atheism.'

Link - http://godevidence.com/2010/08/quotes-about-god/



And more shrieking horrors to give religion-haters nightmares:



"According to 100 Years of Nobel Prize (2005), a review of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000, 65.4% of Nobel Prize Laureates, have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference (423 prizes). Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards.



Other numbers:



Jews - over 20% of total Nobel Prizes winners

Atheists, agnostics and freethinkers - 10,5% of total Nobel Prizes winners

Muslims - 0,8% of total Nobel Prizes winners"



Link - https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/christians-65-4-of-nobel-prize-laureates.174202/



Also this: a global study showing the majority of the World's scientists are NOT atheists:



'Are Top Scientists Really So Atheistic? Look at the Data'

Link - http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/04/13/are-top-scientists-really-so-atheistic-look-at-the-data/#.WF7YdFz-qVo



And more:



"Here i the mother of all spoilers: The probability that the monotheistic, prayer-answering God exists is... 67%"

Link - http://www.ams.org/notices/200802/tx080200231p.pdf



“When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics.”



“From the perspective of the latest physical theories, Christianity is not a mere religion, but an experimentally testable science.”



—Professor of Mathematical Physics Frank Tipler

Answer 34

There are no good arguments for any gods' existences. All they have is silly lies, bad fiction and bad reasoning,

Answer 35

Theism is stupid. The only correct "faith" there is is Deism as I rarely interfere in world affairs and only care about a few people.

Answer 36

No argument required for the existence of God from a Christians point of view my love as we Christians have all the proof we need. You either get the proof of God's existence yourself by genuinely repenting of your sin, accepting Christ's death on the cross for your sins and be born again of Holy Spirit. Otherwise there is no proof for you. Are you willing to repent and confess you sins to Jesus to receive a pardon from Him my friend. If you do, then God will make Himself known to you.

Answer 37

If the Bible isn't a sufficient argument for the existence of God, then nothing else will ever convince you.

Answer 38

It's not something you can show by argument. What they need is evidence

Answer 39

Saying the sky is orange doesn't make it orange no matter how many times or how loud you shout it.



Also, your ignorance isn't an argument.

Answer 40

There are no good arguments for gods' existences, so believers hand us lies and logical fallacies.

Answer 41

It's because you wouldn't recognize a "good argument" if it kicked you in the teeth.

Answer 42

1. for those who choose to not believe, nothing said will matter for the existence

2 perhaps some have clouded opinions

3. perhaps some do not understand the concept

4 the fact some refuse to believe does not deny the existence

Answer 43

They don't need proof. It seems that it's only atheists that request proof that God exists. Ironic really, when one considers that atheists say God doesn't exist. That begs the question, why do they want proof?

Answer 44

Because Atheist have never asked correctly; they always ask for a physical evidence for things that are spiritual (unseen/believed in), when asked for evidence that God doesn't exist, they also can;t provide any therefore making them believers in non existence of God.

Ask me why i BELIEVE in God and i'll tell the universe- origin/life- origin and diversity/ language - origin and diversity- still no physical evidence and what we see is as God claims it is.

Answer 45

Because most of their gods rely on faith; and other beliefs that aren't necessarily rooted in logic or facts. I don't think this is a bad thing, necessarily, and it's a bit intellectually dishonest to constantly question theists to make "good" arguments, when the basis of their beliefs aren't founded that way.



Their claims are consistent of mysteries, but it isn't a mystery that they rely completely on faith, so I can only question the reason for constantly badgering them for logical proofs that are simply at odds with their religious beliefs and any conception of God we know of itself. If you can't see what's wrong with asking for "mathematical proof" of some 3-headed dragon, then maybe atheists need to return the drawing board.



It's not really a matter why they can't, or never do make good arguments for gods existence, but why you keep asking after you know the question itself is logically incoherent, causes infinite regress and basically only exists due to redundancy.