Question:
Soul searching. Where exactly is the "soul" located?
2007-10-25 04:48:05 UTC
Its funny how most people accept this idea of a "soul". Its religion's way of fortifying the fiction of heaven, after all, heaven is an etherial place where we dont bring our jewlery or penis (unless your muslim, then you are bringing the family jewels, to mate with all the virgins from the virgin-ho-house).

So, why do you believe in a "soul"...have you ever thought about whether or not you have a rational basis for this religious concept? Where is this puppy located? The heart just pumps blood right? The brain controls everything, and its the place where thinking occurs, but what about those functions makes it a certain place for a "soul"?
Nineteen answers:
2007-10-25 04:52:33 UTC
The soul is imaginary, just like god, pixies and leprechauns.
dennywisard
2007-10-25 12:12:26 UTC
First - This is a great question



1) The Self that you experience is in part the soul

2) We all have egos and we also experience that as self too

3) The difference is that the soul is the eternal part of who you are while the ego is transient.



Consider that all of this is merely energy, and within that concept Something created the energy that we experience as the personality of being a self-aware Being as apposed to an entity. That this Personality-Self is eternal and has access to infinity and that you chose to have an experience in the realm of time, space and gravity and chose this planet and its particular life-form as that place to experience and express your life.



Whatever it is that you do is a function of that reality



Switch the word soul to the word psyche and see if that will bring some light into your inquiry?



"The brain controls everything, and its the place where thinking occurs." ????



The brain does not not think - only you can think - only you can have emotion - only you can have, create and store memories !!!



The brain in your head is a physical/material object and can only perform the duties that you give it to do - now the heart on the other hand can actually function without you because it has its own brain.



Does this generate more questions than answers for you?
2007-10-25 12:44:58 UTC
The soul is located in the Platonic realm. It's the same place that the number Pi exists and idealized forms such as the perfect circle. The number Pi has no earthly existance and yet it is used for many practical material world applications. The same is true for the soul.
2007-10-25 13:49:22 UTC
People keep asking about things about a soul, implying that a soul is something that is like a possession.

You do not have a Soul, YOU ARE A SOUL.

Asking things like where your soul is located ?

Look in the Mirror, see..it's that easy.

Your soul is located within you.

Not talking about your physical Body now.
gdc
2007-10-25 12:29:33 UTC
The religionist is not allowed to THINK!

i have thought about posing a similar question. There is no reference to a soul in any books on Anatomy, Neurology or any other medical book. Except the soul on the bottom of you foot.



There are several definitions of the word "soul" which make it almost useless unless the person using the word explains what definition of the word they are using.



I am sure that some are going to reply that the soul was found using MRI. That is FALSE. The same images where found when anyone went into a deep thought.



Since the religionist is mentally sick and unable to think for themselves they have to believe such nonsense or face going to their imaginary hell. Or having a psychotic breakdown do to the conflict between reality and the delusional beliefs they have.



soul foot



or sole foot

n

foot that slides on skate frame: in in-line skating, either of the skater’s feet when sliding on the frame or sole of the skate rather than running on the wheels



[Soul an alteration of sole1 ]

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soul



soul [sōl]

n

1. nonphysical aspect of person: the complex of human attributes that manifests as consciousness, thought, feeling, and will, regarded as distinct from the physical body

2. religion spirit surviving death: in some systems of religious belief, the spiritual part of a human being that is believed to continue to exist after the body dies.

The soul is sometimes regarded as subject to future reward and punishment, and sometimes as able to take a form that allows it to remain on or return to earth.

3. feelings: somebody’s emotional and moral nature, where the most private thoughts and feelings are hidden

Her soul was in turmoil.



4. arts spiritual depth: evidence of spiritual or emotional depth and sensitivity, either in a person or in something created by a person

Though technically perfect, the drawing lacked soul.



5. essence: the deepest and truest nature of a people or a nation, or what gives somebody or something a distinctive character

In my travels I hoped to discover the soul of the Russian people.



6. type of person: somebody of a particular type, especially one regarded sympathetically or with familiarity

Poor soul! What will he do now?



7. anyone: anyone at all (used in the negative)

You have to promise not to tell a soul.



8. individual: an individual person, especially when thought of as making up the number of a particular group (usually plural)

a country of some 10 million souls



9. perfect example: somebody who is a good example, or personification, of a positive quality

The hotel manager was the soul of discretion.



10. somebody essential to something: a leader or the most influential person in a group or movement

11. African American spirit: the quality that characterizes African American culture, especially as manifested in somebody’s natural sympathies and in social customs, speech, and music

12. music See soul music





[Old English sāwol . Ultimately from a prehistoric Germanic word that is also the ancestor of German Seele “soul.”]



sell your soul to abandon your principles in order to obtain wealth or success

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maguyver727
2007-10-25 11:53:19 UTC
You will not Believe this when I Tell you.



The Soul is an Invisible Spiritual Super-Computer that Links your Brain to You (a Spirit, living in a Body).



King David TALKED to his own Soul and Told it what to do.

The Soul Almost has a Life of it's own and can be controlled at times by OutSide Forces IF you let your Guard Down---as in the Case of People BrainWashing Others (does CIA ring a bell?)
2007-10-25 11:58:51 UTC
I think it's located below the appendix. I've heard that when the appendix is removed, the soul goes with it? Well? That's what I was told? Makes sense.....
Jean-Francois
2007-10-25 11:50:49 UTC
The soul is located between my second stomach and third eye, right below my third arm's elbow.



In other words, it does not exist.
Kimo
2007-10-25 12:05:03 UTC
You are very ignorant really.



until this moment science did not explain why human beings have "self awareness". According to those who don't believe in souls .. humans are just extremely complicated machines .. brain is just an organ with huge number of cells exchanging electrical impulse .. how could this possible produce perception?
Sam T
2007-10-25 11:52:07 UTC
The soul is contained in the empty space of the belly button, it is invisible, but it does have a smell.
2007-10-25 11:52:23 UTC
I dont know that I believe in the soul perse... however I often wonder after the essence of jamus. If you are familiar with, "Meditations on first philosophy" Descartes goes on at length about the essence of a thing... do you know your essence? Or do you define youself by the various roles you play? And if understood, does this essence represent ones soul... these are all questions I cannot answer as of yet...
2007-10-25 11:53:08 UTC
purely for the sake of argument



everyone has a brain, and all brains more or less work the same way. then what makes each individual different from the next? we know we are not all alike.
flowerpower
2007-10-25 12:15:16 UTC
Soul-mind

Body-flesh

Spirit-Life giving force-what runs the soul and flesh.



simple*



peace and love
2007-10-25 11:52:05 UTC
Did you look down in the couch? I lose stuff there all the time.
singularity
2007-10-25 11:54:20 UTC
your brain controls everything, so where exactly is the "mind" located?



your eyes can see world, so where exactly is the "image" located? in your brain or eyes or just in front of you?
lazaruslong138
2007-10-25 11:52:18 UTC
lol-to easy and i am only on my second cup of coffee-its in harlem of course--smile and enjoy the day
lei22
2007-10-25 11:56:32 UTC
we, humans are composed of 3 elements.......

first is our body.............it is what we seen

second is our spirit...........when we did something wrong, it the the one that tells us it is not right..

third is our soul..........it is the one that goes to heaven or hell when we die....
2007-10-25 11:53:50 UTC
the same place god exists, only in your head...
INCOGNITO
2007-10-25 11:56:04 UTC
Soul, Spirit, and Knowing God

Christians generally believe there is a part of us which is distinct from our material bodies. However, there is disagreement within the Christian community as to whether our immaterial nature consists of one part or two.



The belief that our immaterial nature consists of two parts is called trichotomy. It teaches that humans are composed of body, soul, and spirit. The opposing position is known as dichotomy. It teaches that soul and spirit are interchangeable terms for our one immaterial selves. So the only distinction is between our material selves (our bodies) and our immaterial selves (our souls/ spirits).



But which position is correct? The answer to this question is important. What one believes about the relationship of the human soul and spirit will affect what one believes is involved in knowing God. This will become apparent by looking at the distinction trichotomists make between the soul and the spirit.



Does Our Intellect Matter?



Watchman Nee (1930-1972) was an influential preacher whose ideas still influence the Church today. His position is a good example of trichotomy.



Nee writes, "That the body is man's outward sheath is undoubtedly correct, but the Bible never confuses the spirit and soul as though they were the same. Not only are they different in terms; their very natures differ from each other."(1)



And what are these different natures? Nee teaches, "... the soul is the site of personality. The will, intellect and emotions of man are there."(2) And further, "The elements which make us human belong to the soul. Intellect, thought, ideals, love, emotion, discernment, choice, decision, etc., are but experiences of the soul."(3)



As for the spirit, Nee writes, "... EVERY communication of God with man occurs there." And Nee teaches the spirit has three main functions: "conscience, intuition and communion." These three functions are then defined as:



"The conscience is the discerning organ which distinguishes right and wrong; NOT, however, THROUGH THE INFLUENCE OF KNOWLEDGE stored in the mind but rather by a spontaneous direct judgment...."



Intuition is the sensing organ of the human spirit.... that knowledge which comes to us WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM THE MIND, emotion or volition comes intuitively...."



Communion is worshiping God. The organs of the soul are incompetent to worship God. GOD IS NOT APPREHENDED BY OUR THOUGHTS, feelings or intentions, for He can only be known directly in our spirits...(4)



The trichotomist position is also seen in the New Unger's Bible Dictionary. Its entry for "spirit" states, "The term soul specifies that in the immaterial part of man that concerns life, action, and emotion. Spirit is that part related to worship and divine communion."(5)



The idea of there being a distinction between soul and spirit is also promoted on the Internet. A posting on an Internet Newsgroup says:



Man was originally designed to commune with God through the spirit. That spirit in man would in turn put soul and body into subjection through obedience to God. The supernatural wisdom and power flowing from God would enter into the spirit of man and empower man to serve God.... The human has a spirit, a soul, and a body of flesh. Various things make up the soul, such as mind, will and emotions.(6)



And a World Wide Web page states, "Man is a soul being which contains a spirit. The soul is the center of: person, life, emotion, desires & appetites.... Through the spirit in us, we can glorify & worship God in spirit. God sends the spirit."(7)



Summing up, these trichotomists teach that the soul is where our emotions, will, and thought reside. But the soul (and thus these attributes) is not involved in knowing God. It is only through the spirit that God is known. But how does the spirit come to know God?



Nee says, "Intuition is related to communion or worship in that GOD IS KNOWN BY MAN INTUITIVELY and reveals His will to man in the intuition...."(8) But what is "intuition?"



The American Heritage Dictionary's definition is: "In·tu·i·tion (în´t¡-îsh¹en, -ty¡-) noun. 1. a. The act or faculty of knowing or sensing WITHOUT THE USE OF RATIONAL PROCESSES; immediate cognition.... b. Knowledge gained by the use of this faculty; a perceptive insight. 2. A sense of something not evident or deducible; an impression."(9)



The Newsgroup posting gives a somewhat similar view:

The spirit will see things in another dimension and relate those things back to our soul through the brain. The brain will store this information in a place that we call the unconscious part of the mind. Sometimes our brain will let this information slip to the conscious side of our hemisphere and we will see what our spirit is seeing through what seems to us as a dream or lucid dream.(10)



So in the trichotomist position, knowledge of God comes into us through some kind of "direct" route, either through intuition or dreams. Either way, it is clear that in this position our conscious, thinking processes are not involved in knowing God. And this anti-intellectualism is a direct result of the trichotomist position.



Meanwhile, in the dichotomist view, the intellect (along with all of the other faculties mentioned above for both the soul and the spirit) would be involved in knowing God. So the question is, do we know God solely through some kind of non-conscious intuition or dreams, or does knowing God involve all of our faculties, including the intellect?



The way to answer this question is to look further at the relationship of the soul and the spirit.



Definitions of Soul and Spirit



English Dictionary:

The next step in this study will be to look at the definitions of the words soul and spirit. First to be looked at will be the definitions found in an English dictionary. Following are the possible definitions which are relevant to this study from The American Heritage Dictionary:





soul (sol) noun

1. The animating and vital principle in human beings, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity.

2. The spiritual nature of human beings, regarded as immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.

3. The disembodied spirit of a dead human being; a shade....

5. A human being: "the homes of some nine hundred souls" (Garrison Keillor).

6. The central or integral part; the vital core: "It saddens me that this network . . . may lose its soul, which is after all the quest for news" (M. Kalb).



spir·it (spîr¹ît) noun

1. a. The vital principle or animating force within living beings. b. Incorporeal consciousness....

2. The soul, considered as departing from the body of a person at death.

6. a. The part of a human being associated with the mind, will, and feelings: Though unable to join us today, they are with us in spirit. b. The essential nature of a person or group.

7. A person as characterized by a stated quality: He is a proud spirit.(11)



A comparison of these definitions will show many similarities. The most important to this discussion is the first definition for the soul where it is said to be "credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion" and the sixth definition for the spirit where the it is said to be, "associated with the mind, will, and feelings."



And note that the definition for soul uses the word spirit (#3); and the definition for spirit uses the word soul (#2).



In addition, a quick check of Roget's Thesaurus shows one of the synonyms given for soul is spirit; and one of the synonyms given for spirit is soul.(12) So in popular usage, the words soul and spirit are interchangeable.



Hebrew and Greek Lexicons:

The next area to study is how Hebrew and Greek lexicons define the meanings of the original words that soul and spirit translate. Below are the relevant portions for these words taken from Brown, Driver, Briggs, Gesenius Hebrew Aramaic Lexicon and Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon. First, the Hebrew words for soul (nephesh) and spirit (ruach):





SOUL (nephesh):

1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion

1a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man

1b) living being

1c) living being (with life in the blood)

1d) the man himself, self, person or individual

1e) seat of the appetites

1f) seat of emotions and passions



SPIRIT (ruach)

1) wind, breath, mind, spirit

1a) breath

1b) wind

1c) spirit (as that which breathes quickly in animation or agitation)

1c1) spirit, animation, vivacity, vigour

1c2) courage

1c3) temper, anger

1c4) impatience, patience

1c5) spirit, disposition (as troubled, bitter, discontented)

1c6) disposition (of various kinds), unaccountable or uncontrollable impulse

1d) spirit (of the living, breathing being in man and animals)

1d1) as gift, preserved by God, God's spirit, departing at death, disembodied being

1e) spirit (as seat of emotion)

1e1) desire

1e2) sorrow, trouble

1f) spirit

1f1) as seat or organ of mental acts

1f2) rarely of the will

1f3) as seat especially of moral character(13)



So in Hebrew "soul" refers to "that which breathes" and to the mind, desire, and emotions. And "spirit" refers to "that which breathes" and the part of us which experiences emotions and is responsible for "mental acts."



Now the Greek words for soul (psuche) and spirit (pneuma):





SOUL (psuche):

1) breath

1a) the breath of life

1a1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing

1a1a) of animals

1a12) of men

1b) life

1c) that in which there is life

1c1) a living being, a living soul

2) the soul

2a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)

2b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life

2c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death....



SPIRIT (pneuma)

2) the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated

2a) the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides

2b) the soul

3) a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting

3a) a life giving spirit

3b) a human soul that has left the body

4) the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one

4a) the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.(14)



Thus in Greek "soul" refers to the animating principle which feels, desires, and can attain everlasting life with God. And "spirit" is also the animating principle which feels, thinks, and decides. And notice once again, the use of the word soul to define spirit (twice in fact: 2b,3b). Only #4 for spirit gives so much as a hint the two might be distinct.



Summing up, overall the definitions of the English words and lexical entries for the Hebrew and Greek words indicate that "soul" and "spirit" are interchangeable terms, with common characteristics ascribed to both.



Back to Unger's



One of the examples of the trichotomist position quoted previously came from the New Unger's Bible Dictionary. Its entries for soul and spirit will now be studied in depth. Below are the relevant portions from both entries:



SOUL: (generally the rendering of Heb. nephesh, a "breathing" creature; Gk. psuche, "breath," etc., the equivalent of nephesh). The Heb. term may indicate not only the entire inner nature of man, but also his entire personality, i.e., all that pertains to the person of man; in the sense of person; somebody, everybody (Deut. 26:16; cf. Josh. 11:11,14)....



The Gk. term psuche has the simple meaning of life (Matt. 6:25; Luke 12:22); that in which there is life, a living being (1Cor. 15:45); every soul, i.e., every one (Acts 3:23). It also has the meaning of the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our soul, heart, etc.; RV [Revised Version] almost uniformly soul); the human soul, insofar as it is so constituted that, by the right use of aids offered it by God, it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness; the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life (3John 2; Heb. 13:17; James 1:21; 5:20; 1Pet. 1:9). Another meaning of psuche is the soul as an essence that differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (Matt. 10:28); the soul freed from the body, a disembodied soul (Acts 2:27; Rev. 20:4).



SPIRIT: (Heb. ruach, "breath, wind"; Gk. pneuma, "wind, breath," the "vital principle," etc.). A term used in the Scriptures generally to denote purely spiritual beings; also the spiritual, immortal part in man. Other terms (nephesh; psuche) refer to the animal soul or life of man, though it seems evident that these words are also used frequently in a broader and deeper sense with reference to man's spiritual nature (Gen. 2:7; Ps. 42:2; Matt. 10:28; 11:29)....



There are, however, passages (such as 1Thes. 5:23; Heb. 4:12) that emphasize a distinction between soul and spirit.



The term soul specifies that in the immaterial part of man that concerns life, action, and emotion. Spirit is that part related to worship and divine communion. The two terms are often used interchangeably, the same functions being ascribed to each....



However, soul and spirit are not always employed interchangeably. The soul is said to be lost, for example, but not the spirit [Mt 16:26; Mk 8:36]. When no technical distinctions are set forth, the Bible is dichotomous, but otherwise it is trichotomist (cf. Matt. 10:28; Acts 2:31; Rom. 8:10; Eph. 4:4; James 2:26; 1Pet. 2:11).(15)


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