Question:
God Will Never Forsake Us?
anonymous
2010-04-14 16:33:41 UTC
In Hebrews 13:5,6 God said He would never forsake us. Yet while on the cross, Jesus asked God this question....."My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27:45-50.

Was Jesus mistaken or did God forsake Jesus?" Is Jesus or God capable of making a mistake? If so, which one made the mistake? If not, how is this apparent contradiction explained?
Fourteen answers:
?
2010-04-14 16:44:37 UTC
This is explained by the fact the covenant of God with us is one, with Jesus is another, like also his covenant with Israel is one, with the church is another.

What God promised to Jesus, He didn't promise to us. What God promised to us, He didn't promise to Jesus.

God's covenant with us (now I'm speaking about both Israel and church) is salvation in Christ Jesus and that He would abide in us (John 14.17). Now Jesus didn't even need salvation - this is one point in God's covenant with Jesus that differ from the one with us - and didn't promise him he would stay with him even at the time He would be taking on himself all the sins of humanity (this is why God left Jesus by himself, according to some theologians). Besides, such abandonment was even prophesized (see Psalm 22).
✞ Ephesians 2:8 ✞
2010-04-14 23:39:11 UTC
✞ Jesus was quoting the 22 Psalm about Himself and the Crucifixion...



The fourth utterance in sequence is a quotation from Psalm 22—indeed, from the opening words of the psalm. As death approached, Jesus remembered the psalm that was prophetic of His own ordeal. He cried out the opening words for all to hear, then kept silent while the psalm continued to pass through His mind. Why did He apply the opening words to His own case? Why did He say that God had forsaken Him? He meant that because He bore our load of sin, God had indeed turned His back upon Him. A gulf of alienation divided the Father and the Son for the first time in all eternity.
Scilla
2010-04-14 23:42:35 UTC
As a former Xtian, I believe that the verse simply means that God saw all of mankind's sin on Jesus so God had to "forsake" him for a while.
Pat, or that Jesus guy
2010-04-14 23:36:50 UTC
Wrong. Learn what that Scripture REALLY means:



Hebrews 13:4-6 - Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers, God will judge. Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." So we may boldly say: "The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?" ~ Note: That does not mean you can go out and be a fornicaor, adulterer, or a coveter and not fear that God will never leave you. The key is to be content with what you are, being not in sin, then God won't leave you. If "Once Saved, Always Saved" was true, then there would be no point of the warning "God will judge" in 13:4. You can't take the quote, "I will never leave you nor forsake you" out of context. That's what people do when they try to think that this means eternal security. Also look at the next verse, 13:6 is quoted above, it applies to this "never leave you" quote with the word so. So it is connected. "The LORD is my helper", not the covetousness (loving money). So if you keep obeying God and listening to His warnings, then He won't leave you, but if you start the practice of sin, He will leave you and you will need to repent again. It states, For He Himself has said. Knowing where it comes from has some important points to know. The Lord spoke to Joshua, "I will not leave you nor forsake you" (Joshua 1:5). Before that, "He will not leave you nor forsake you" is what Moses told the people and then Moses told it to Joshua (Deut. 31:6,8). The reason Moses said this is because he just told the people that the Lord told him that he would not cross over the Jordan. Moses was giving them assurance of their crossing without him. It doesn't mean that we can do whatever we want (like being a fornicator, adulterer, or coveter), and God will never leave us.



In fact, after this word was given through Moses to the people, the Lord said this in Deut. 31:16,17 - "Behold, you will rest with your fathers; and this people will rise and play the harlot with the gods of the foreigners of the land, where they go to be among them, and they will forsake Me and break My covenant which I have made with them. Then My anger shall be aroused against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide My face from them, and they shall be devoured." ~ Note: We see that God said that He would forsake them because of their sin. So people should not be preaching that God will never leave you nor forsake you no matter what you do, because we just saw the truth of God saying otherwise. I see the Lord corrected in what the people there and the OSASers now may have thought the "never leave you" to mean, because what the Lord said about the people is different than what Moses said. But Moses was referring to God being with them without Moses crossing with them, not God not forsaking the sinners. So if you been telling people that God will never leave you nor forsake you, maybe God through Scripture (Deut. 31:16,17) is correcting you like He did then. True, it's in Hebrews 13:5, but if you take it out of context by not mentioning the verse before and after it, then you could be preaching the license to sin.
killer_astroids
2010-04-14 23:46:57 UTC
You must keep in mind the context of which it was spoken, who it was spoken to, and what other conditions apply to it. And maybe more...



Anyway, I didn't read all of Hebrews chapter 13 to get the context and what not. But it seems like God was speaking though a man, who was talking to humans. Henceforth, applying only to humans, not God. But, I could be wrong but that's my best guess.



So Jesus wasn't mistaken, he was forsaisken by his Father.
monkey_going_bananas
2010-04-15 00:43:37 UTC
God will never forsake us, yet he cannot be in the direct presence of sin. Kinda like your parents will never stop loving you, but cant be beside you every time something goes wrong. not the best analogy, i know...
shawniewap
2010-04-15 01:42:06 UTC
To doubt...shows lack of faith. Fully realized spirituality fills us up, leaving no room for doubt. As humans, one of our obstacles is to overcome fear and doubt. We must remember, Jesus was confined to a human vessel still while His physical body was dying on the cross. When He asked that question, He was still partly human and was subject to human emotions...He was simply showing the last vestiges of His humanness. I think it is symbolic of the "physical death" (or detachment from the physical plane, if you will) that must occur to realize complete spirituality. After His physical death, His spiritual body took form and transcended into something no longer bound to the confines of the physical plane and it's laws.
Shinigami
2010-04-14 23:38:59 UTC
Yeah, just before every war on the planet He's given up on granting us graces...mostly because we don't ask for them, not because they're not there. This refers to the desolation we experience when our lives appear outwardly full and rich, yet inside we are hollow, undirected and wondering at the true meaning of life...as if we are just marking time in a prison cell and amusing our senses. Esoteric and spiritual things are left on the wayside, and so, there they lay, until we pick them up again.



Can't be helped. It's happened lots of times before. Maybe not on a great a scale as we see now.
Orize S
2010-04-15 01:46:38 UTC
Is God perfect? is your true question, that my friend depends upon your idea of perfection, according to what I've pick up from society of what perfection is, l really doubt there's a God, see, according to my understanding of what society's perfections is, is that one does not eat, drink, ****, breath, pee, hurt, happy, sad, and etc, you know what l mean, my point is we do all those things in order to keep our perfectionist, talks of God and debate of God is a sign that God is alive and well, I gather. Does God love all the people at all cost? no, does he love all his friend at all cost? no, course not, would you? if yes, e-mail me if yes, and we'll talk.
anonymous
2010-04-14 23:36:34 UTC
The Easter Bunny Will Never Forsake Us?
anonymous
2010-04-14 23:37:27 UTC
This is a question asked by many. I encourage you to click here, as it offers a full explanation of this verse: http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1137
anonymous
2010-04-14 23:37:01 UTC
It seems to me that he's foraken the poor people in Haiti. Why did he send a hurricane to destroy Haiti?
anonymous
2010-04-14 23:37:18 UTC
God forsook Him



'us' is not 'Him"
anonymous
2010-04-14 23:35:10 UTC
he already has, if he exists


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