Question:
Jehovah's & Ex Witnesses, Who Remembers The Pep Rallies At Assemblies And CO Visits?
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Jehovah's & Ex Witnesses, Who Remembers The Pep Rallies At Assemblies And CO Visits?
Thirteen answers:
anonymous
2008-12-21 04:06:16 UTC
This is for real! The place, Queensborough, Natal, South Africa. The time 1973ish I think. The bod giving the talk had calculated the number of hours to 1975! One sister, mom to a promising student turned to my mom, and said, Basil doesnt need to go to university, the time is so short.

That really happened, whether you new J's want to believe it or not.
Question It All
2008-12-21 00:35:31 UTC
I remember something, but I want to verify before I open my flap. I am making my regular call to my mom tomorrow and I will ask her. She was brought into the wt during the heat of that whole 1975 deal. I will return with something I hope.



---UPDATE---



Ok, I have been on the phone with my mom since 9AM and she confirmed it. She also filled me in on some of the stuff that was told to them when they were first studying that scared them into joining.



She said that during one circuit assembly in Albuquerque at the Civic Auditorium in 1973, they said there was, "only a year and three months before Armageddon! What are you doing to prepare??" Then they went and read a long list of brothers from all over the country who had heeded the slaves command to leave it all behind and go out and preach. She said that they were encouraged to sell everything and get ready for the end. That we did not want to be like Lot's wife, looking back at what we had in this system and perish at Armageddon.



She also confirmed the Circuit Overseer's pep talks. Pretty much the same thing as at the assemblies, but that brother Bartel was telling the congregation in a contrived way that he had met with the Governing Body and had been allowed to know that our Circuit was slated for grand things in the new order. He intimated that since we were not in such a populated area that we would have more time to reap blessings instead of burying bodies like the brothers in NY and LA would be doing for years to come.



She said that each time he came it was ONLY ___ Number of Months till Armageddon! Then it was ONLY ___ Number of weeks, days hundreds of hours.



The society was very wise to not print up most of this crap. In retrospect I think it might have been wise to tape record the stuff said at meetings and assemblies. I am going to take a trip to New Mexico and look through my dad's old reels and see if, since he was in charge of setting up the sound stages if he has any of it on tape.



Olin, you are still in, can you do this? Start recording or videotaping the assemblies and meetings when the CO visits? It may be worth it in thirty years when this dung that is pushed out of the wt's colon onto its worshipers is needed to debunk yet another scam.
anonymous
2008-12-21 08:36:26 UTC
YBYA I do. Alive in '75. They were SURE that the system would end and the assurance came from the wBS. My own dad went into crisis when the prophecy did not come to pass. I do remember him being surrounded by elders for a few weeks until he was re-programmed.
anonymous
2008-12-21 11:06:50 UTC
wasn't alive yet, but my mom and dad became witties soon before the whole 1975 prophecy failure and still stayed stong in the faith until death. will ask my gran tomorrow and let you know.
anonymous
2008-12-22 13:24:42 UTC
I remember them well.I was about 30 at the time.We had brochures that were to be handed out to every householder .The idea was one a week then do the territory over the next week with the new one until all the area was saturated with these"teaching tools" repeatedlyThey were the "trumpets"of God spoken of in Revelations.The final trumpet was to be put in every door we were not to speak to the householder with this one .To insure this we did it at night after dark and we just folded them and sliped them in every door in our teritory.The last trumpet sounded was a sign the Armegeddon was fast aproaching.The broucher was a seathing denounciation of false religion and a warning to Get Out of her.Many witnesses sold their homes and went preaching where "the need was great" left their secure jobs and homes and families .Not because they misunderstood anything but because of the pep talks and what they were lead to believe.or should I reword that mislead to believe.We were acting in faith,we were following the FDS and we were assured that once that last trumpet was sounded that was going to be it.We were working around the clock in order to get this done and climbing buildings(apartments) to the top floor and putting people on every floor so that we would get it done before we were kicked out.We jumped over to the next building and entered in the fire escape window and would do the same thing.Believe me I would never have done this with my children if we did not have pep talks and I thought that all these people would die if I didn't get out there with God's trumpets.Hopefully some would listen and be saved.We did get a new family at this time a woman and her 4 children to study and be baptized.But after all that ,that was it for our whole effort and congregation activity during that period of time.I wonder if she is still a witness today and if her children and her are well.





Edit I just read some of the things that the witnesses wrote here.They have a really really bad memory OR they slept through all the meetings.Don't any remember the "kingdon service "telling us the end was a matter of months maybe days away.The trumpets must be loud and clear.Come on folks sometimes I don't like what Olin says or how he says it but truth from any source is still truth.If you don't want to answer fine but you know you know.No one that was breathing and not comatose could have missed it.



Edit Angelmusic1914 You planned your pregnancy for Sept 1975? Well no one in our congregation was pregnant because it was"Woe to the pregnant woman "days upon us Please !!! I am usually impressed with your sincerity and honesty.But if you missed this big thing ,you had to have been inactive or haveing morning sickness all day!!!



Your comment still doesn't address the 1975 BIG DEAL .I'm trying to give you the benifit of doubt here.You will loose credibility with many saying that you just used the spirit of a sound mind .That means everyone who was following the FDS leadings and believed this was the final warning and gave it their all were NOT sound in mind.!!! I know some beautiful kind and lovely people who quit jobs and sold beautiful homes and died poor and only did their best when they thought they heard the final trumpet.You don't remember the final trumpet either? Guess I had dementia at 30.I really don't know what to say anymore if you won't admit that this was ,then you just will join the rest who close there eyes and ears to what they know is truth and ignore reality and trade it for fiction.Sorry ,kinda liked you.
PediC
2008-12-22 11:38:06 UTC
you hit a nerve.



Hey, guess what? I was also "In The Truth" at that time and was of age and listening and......................................



I

Heard

It.



I can verify what you say is truth.



Not sure why others are saying your mother is lying, but I know she tells the truth.



People want so badly to believe what they're doing is right, they're willing to gloss over bad behavior and inconsistencies and even the plain truth. It's called cognitive dissonance.



Your mother isn't lying.
Sandra
2016-04-04 06:27:50 UTC
Elders will not be able to help you now as you already know what they will say and do. You can find many who have left the organization for any reason and i am sure they will give you many reasons and because your open to the truth I am sure you will find it. Everything an EX JW will tell you can be checked to see if what they say is true but one needs to be committed to finding the truth and there is so much about watchtower that most members do not even dream of what they do. I wish you all the best and I do know whatever you do remember it is your life and you will be held accountable for your own decisions. That's why it is so important for everyone to be ready for eternity and know your saved now before it is too late. I hope you will also be with me in Heaven and we can with many others also praise Him who gave us life
angelmusic
2008-12-21 20:47:30 UTC
I lived through "1975", serving where the need was greater.



Never heard the "pep rallies".



No more so than we hear at every year's assemblies.



I for one, am glad to hear the urgency in the talks. I actually think there should be MORE urgency. I have been going to assemblies since the late 1950's and look forward to the encouragement to keep the world and its attractions in focus.



My profile says it all - no less.



If you don't read it, you have no idea what I'm saying.



By the way, my second son was born on September 24th, 1975. He was a totally planned pregnancy.



If I thought that the great tribulation was starting in Sept/Oct 1975, and the scriptures talked about "woe to the pregnant woman and those with small children", wouldn't that have been kind of dumb?



Not all of us were as "taken in" as you would like to make everyone out. Most of us practiced what Peter described as "soundness of mind".



I just went to a funeral of a Witness this evening about a hundred miles from my home town. I saw HUNDREDS of Witnesses, MANY who were Witnesses in 1975, and are STILL Witnesses. Some I had not seen for 40 years. A sad occasion, but what a pleasure to see all the faithful ones.



EDIT: CHAMPION -



You need to correct "perversions" or you are the questionable one. A spelling slip or on purpose?



Then we will know. Apostate or not.



EDIT EDIT:



FOR SEEK.



I appreciate your candor. But I was far from inactive. My husband and I wrote and asked for an assignment to serve where the need was great. We were both out of work in Cincinnati in 1973, and realized that we could look for work any place. So why not move? We wanted to have a less "big city" atmosphere to raise our son. So when the WTS gave us three addresses in Kentucky, this was perfect. We went to the top one on the list and knew this was where Jehovah wanted us to be. We moved to KY in August, 1973 with our one year old child - broke but happy.



In December, 1974, we decided we wanted to have a second child, because we did not want our first son and the next child to be too far apart. Two weeks later I knew I was expecting and was thrilled about it.



I started publishing in November, 1958, and I have never lost my zeal to this day. My husband and I wanted to go to Gilead, but his health problems did not allow that.



So we save our money and visit foreign countries as we can. I've been to Mexico twice, Russia twice, Germany twice, and ten other countries. Next year we have South Africa and Dubai arranged.



I was not inactive or brain dead or anything else. I was using a sound mind. As a MATURE Christian.



Like I said - read my profile. It will explain.



EDIT EDIT EDIT



In the book, Life Everlasting in the Freedom of the Sons of God, there was a chart, a chronology chart that took up several pages listing Bible events down to the time of printing. Although the book did not emphasize the year 1975, anyone with the ability to add and subtract could figure out that going forward from the chronology in the book to 1975 would mark the end of 6000 years of mankind's existence on the earth.



I was at the District Assembly when this book was released. And I personally remember Fred Franz' comments on Sunday afternoon - he said that he knew that all of us had taken the time to look at the book with great interest, and that many of us had figured out that just a few years were left till the end of 6000 years of man's existence. BUT he said we SHOULD NOT jump to ANY conclusions that the 6000 years and Armageddon would coincide. He said that there were very many events foretold to happen in the last days and that it was UNLIKELY there was enough time for all of it to occur in that short of a time period. He did point out though that if Jehovah wanted to step in and do miracles to MAKE those things happen in such a short time that he was capable of doing so. But that we should only use the chart to emphasize to us the shortness of time, not to set in our minds or anyone else's minds a date for the great tribulation or Armageddon.



Of course, there were those who attended the same assembly as me and received the same book as me who saw and heard what they wanted to hear. (I see that when some on this site will point to a fact about the WTS and be WAY OFF in left field with it). Some Witnesses allowed their zeal to overule their soundness of mind.



But I will tell you, that the Witnesses that I knew from several states and areas that I was familiar with were NOT of that sort.



We gave up the security of family and the comfortableness of living in a "big city" to go live where the need was great, but that was a personal choice. Did we have to do without certain things? We moved to what I call the "Hatfields and McCoys" area of Kentucky. We were witnessing to people without electricity in 1973! Gravel and mud roads, "picking on the halves" for part of our income (if a person understands what that means) - I could write a book of our years there. People would laugh till they cried! Would I give that up or complain about it? NO WAY! Those were some of the MOST interesting days of my life. And my husband has another year to retire and we are thinking of going back!



People make their life! I live it to the full. Do I have as much money as the next person for retirement? No, because of the truth and the choices I made for it. BUT I am college trained. And I would NOT go back and trade a career or a bigger retirement or a bigger home for what interesting and funny and meaningful times I have had. I said on a recent question on Y/A I have never had a boring minute much less a boring day in the truth.



I will tell you what a Bible student said to me one time. Her mother lived in Michigan, and this took place in KY in the 1990's. Leann said that her mother told her that she should not study with the Witnesses because we were this group who had mass suicides in 1975. In fact, according to her, there were "hundreds" in Detroit alone, running out in front of cars and jumping out of buildings when the "world didn't end in 1975."



So when Leann mentioned this to me on the next study, I asked her to reason on the matter. I mentioned to her about the recent (at the time) suicide of a dozen or so cult members out in California that had committed suicide so Halley's Comet could take them into space for their new home. I said that those dozen deaths made front page headlines not only in the USA but also most every foreign nation with a good news media.



I said as much as her mother may believe what she said, she will find NO headlines of any such thing happening in Detroit or ANY OTHER CITY IN THE WORLD for the Witnesses in 1975. And I assured Leann that as much as people "hate" the Witnesses, if so much as ONE death happened for such a reason, that we would not hear the end of it or see the end of it in print for years to come. But THERE ARE NONE!



Did a few people make unwise choices because of reading something into what is NOT there? Sure. But it was their choice. Good people make bad choices every day. We are facing a downhill economy for that very thing. Jehovah continues to bless and care for good people who have made sacrifices for him, even those who made poor choices if the love remains. "God is not unrighteous so as to forget your work and the love you showed for his name" - Hebrews 6:10



As for the tracts or brochures, I do NOT remember any weekly 7 tracts that we were delivering in the middle of the night. We do tract work at least once a year - either a Memorial tract or another timely tract. In fact, we just got finished with one from mid Oct to mid Nov.



We used a whole month to put out the same tract because we had many copies of the same one. And perhaps that is where the "memory" comes in. So we are out multiple weeks, but with the same copy.



I am as urgent about the work today as I was in 1958, 1966, 1969, 1975, 2000, or 2008. I would hope that all would be that urgent and more if they could.



These are honest words. I was not living with a paper bag over my head. Would I give up all my belongings for the advancement of the truth? Yes I would. And I will someday.
Reo
2008-12-22 08:54:39 UTC
Pep Rallies? lol, You mean religious conventions? 7 mill strong since, I don't think a pep can have that outcome.
Wee John
2008-12-21 00:37:03 UTC
District Overseer Charles Sunutko famous talk.....Stay Alive 'til '75!....



http://www.freeminds.org/wav/wav.htm



Another maniac....



http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Jehovahs_Witness_audio.aspx
anonymous
2008-12-21 11:52:45 UTC
Pep rally in the terms that churches get people to perpetually recite certain phrases, like they do at sports rallies, no, only the churches of Christendom need to do that. I was at Dodger Stadium for the yearly conventions from 1970 through 1976. There were no pep rallies. They weren't needed as there was no embarrassment over 1974, as the only thing taught about it was that it had been 6000 years since creation. Each year the number of people going to Dodger stadium got larger until it was too small to hold them all, over 65,000 from southern Cal and Arizona. and a new district was created.
anonymous
2008-12-22 05:43:23 UTC
EVERY ASSEMBLY AND VISIT FROM THE ONES CALLED CIRCUIT OVERSEERS IS A PEP RALLY! THESE ARE ALL WONDERFUL PROVISIONS OF THE MIGHTY ONES!!



YOU ARE AN APOSTATE!!!



THANK YOU VERY MUCH ANGELMUSIC1914!!!!!
LineDancer
2008-12-21 00:37:31 UTC
There were no pep rallies.


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