Question:
Could someone please clarify for Christians when should we worship - the Sabbath Day versus Sunday and why?
anonymous
2011-09-07 02:53:07 UTC
I ask this because of Seventh Day Adventists who teach that the Sabbath Day must still be rigidly kept as it was in the Old Testament. As I understand it, Jesus changed all the Law with His 2 commands only (Matthew 22: 37-40) and He continually broke the Sabbath Day to show that nobody can be saved by keeping the Law.

I continually hear that the 4th commandment must still be rigidly kept.

I know some Sabbath Day advocates say they are not under the law, but they do seem to be to me.

As I understand it, Sunday worship is not merely tradition but the early Church changed the Sabbath Day to worship on the first day of the week. Is that correct? Do you have scriptures to support when and why and who changed this? Was this pleasing to God or are Christians in error?

This is something I have never studied so only know what I have been taught and heard, if anyone who knows about this in depth, I would be grateful for some insight and supporting scriptures - thank you.
Twenty answers:
Carl
2011-09-07 11:17:41 UTC
The sabbath is often mentioned as being established in Genesis but if we look objectively at what is written, we see that it was never given to Adam, it was God who ceased from His labour of creation. Adam was given a task, he was given work to do but it is not recorded that he was told to keep the seventh day separate to God,.

Adam was given strict instructions concerning eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, death being the result of disobedience. If we jump forward to when the sabbath was given, we see there was also a penalty given for disobedience, again it was death. If the sabbath had been given to Adam then the penalty for disobedience would have been given also. Adam had a perfect body which included a perfect brain. Would it too difficult for Adam to remember this command, if given?



Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.



It wasn't until about 2,500 years later that the sabbath was instituted for man to keep.



Exd 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever does any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.



Exd 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Exd 31:17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He rested, and was refreshed.



The sabbath was given as a gift to the children of Israel, it is doing despite to the Word of God to say that it was given to the Gentiles to observe either before Sinai or at any time after. It is not recorded as being given to the Church anywhere in the New Testament. What God has not done man cannot do.



A little background on the Ten Commandments.



The first Commandment gives some background.

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."



Who is He speaking to? - The children of Israel, not Gentiles nor the Church.



The passage in Romans 1:18 - 2:15 reveals quite clearly that man has a conscience, that the commandments are written in his conscience so that he is without excuse before God.



There is something very important regarding the law being written on the conscience (the Jews have the law written on stone, the Gentiles the law written on the conscience)

Every single one of the Ten Commandments if we think about them can be proven, we know it is wrong to steal, to lie, to murder etc. All apart from one - The sabbath. The conscience cannot tell us what day it is, nor can it tell us the time period of the sabbath is from sun down Friday to sun down Saturday. A Yanamamo indian from South America or a member of the Mok tribe of Papua New Guinea, knows not to worship a false god, he knows he should not sleep with his neighbours wife, or steal but he hasn't got a clue about the sabbath. It was never given to the Gentiles, nor to the Church.



My answer was too long and I cannot post it all.
anonymous
2011-09-07 04:49:07 UTC
If you look online into Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the bible,

and look up the word 'week', you won't find it. So, the first day of the week,

isn't there. You can try this. The book is online, I have my own, haven't

used it online, or else go to a library and look up week.



All days, Sunday...day of the sun, Monday...day of the moon, and on it

goes. We have Thor's day, and Saturn's day...completely pagan.



Everything to do with the Lord is holy and that includes time, that

includes the days of the ...nope, not week.



'God's' or Theos' days begin the same as they do in Genesis,

at sundown.



So sabbath is not saturday. It starts what we call Friday night, and

Friday means the goddess of fertility, lust and parties, as this is researched.



I want no part of all that. Yes, I am 'in the world', so yes, I will refer to

Wednesday (Woden's day)...this is witchcraft.



Everything to do with the week is evil. The day of the Sun is not the day of the son.



And there, don't we have another slur, having it sound the same?



Trivial, perhaps, but I think there's very often a reason.



Jesus always observed sabbath but in a different way than legalists.

He did good on that day. He went to the temple, 'as was His custom'.

Of course, since He is 'Lord ALSO of the SABBATH'.



Paul ie. Saul, and all the apostles were Jews, and this day would be

expected because this was so important.



Remember how Paul took about 1/2 a chapter on circumcision?

Which do you think is more important to Jews: the sabbath or circumcision?

If sabbath had been changed, guess who would have to do it?



Think the times & laws can be changed by people?



Nope, only God can do that. Jesus is God, and He was no wimp, was He?

He went against all the manmade customs. So, if ever a new day or

perhaps NO day was now the case, Jesus would never be too timid

to say so.



This is not to engender many more questions, but to put some understanding

into this most wonderful blessing.

We believe that 'the letter kills' so we come to sabbath with joy, with that sense

that here is the blessed 7th day, the end of the session.



First we work, day 1-6, then we rest on day 7. Those with Sunday, start with

rest, then work.



It's such a blessing. The days of the week begin, when? In total darkness.

God's time begins as it ends. Something very metaphysical about that,

like the circle of life. For me, it's just so profound and I've been worshipping

on this day for a long time now, and it only gets more exciting to me.

Strange how it grows.
Lone Ranger,Christian Israelite
2011-09-08 20:13:31 UTC
What day did our Savior keep as the Sabbath?



What day has been preserved since that time by the Jews?



What other weekday has the Almighty Creator God made Holy?



Genesis 2:2-3 ESV And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. (3) So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.



What does it mean when the Almighty blessed this day and made it Holy.



Find one New Testament scripture showing that Sunday, the 1st day of the week has replaced the Sabbath.



Hogie says that there is no Sabbath at all for God's people, he must read a Bible written by himself, cause all mine say this:



Hebrews 4:4-11 ESV For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works." (5) And again in this passage he said, "They shall not enter my rest." (6) Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, (7) again he appoints a certain day, "Today," saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." (8) For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. (9) So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, (10) for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his. (11) Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.



In other words, keep the Sabbath, don't follow the same path of disobedience that the ancients did.



It is pretty easy to prove who "ordained" Sunday and when. You won't find it in the Bible.



In fact, folks who refuse to keep the Sabbath, Friday sunset to Saturday sunset as preserved by the Jews for several thousand years now, spit on the words of their Savior:



Matthew 5:17-20 GNB "Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true. (18) Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with---not until the end of all things. (19) So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the Kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, whoever obeys the Law and teaches others to do the same, will be great in the Kingdom of heaven. (20) I tell you, then, that you will be able to enter the Kingdom of heaven only if you are more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees in doing what God requires.



1.) The Christ plainly says that He did not come to abolish the Law. Christians say their christ did.



2.) The Christ plainly says that as long as heaven and earth remain, not one punctuation mark (jot or tittle of the KJV) will pass away. Christians teach the opposite.



3.) The Christ plainly says that whomever disobeys the commandments and teaches others to do so will have a lesser reward in the Kingdome of Heaven (why any reward at all? that is a whole other subject dealing with false teachings about heaven and hell). Again, nominal Christianity teaches the opposite



4.) The Christ plainly says that those who live by and teach others to live by the Commandments will be great in the Kingdom of Heaven. Nominal Christians, and Hogie is one of the worst, say that folks who try to live according to the way the Almighty's Torah shows us are evil.



So called "Christians" cannot even fall back on Paul for justification for not keeping the Sabbath.



Romans 2:11-13 GNB For God judges everyone by the same standard. (12) The Gentiles do not have the Law of Moses; they sin and are lost apart from the Law. The Jews have the Law; they sin and are judged by the Law. (13) For it is not by hearing the Law that people are put right with God, but by doing what the Law commands.



I'm running out of room, I urge you to read the terms of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 10. What is going to be written on the hearts of those who follow Messiah? Then read 1 Jn 5:1-3 to see how the two greatest commandments are defined by God's word. You might want to also read Romans 2:14-15 and see that if that Law is written on your heart, your outward actions will show it. Here is part of that Law, it's not a suggestion, it is the LAW:



Exodus 20:8-11
Messianic Rose
2011-09-10 03:58:04 UTC
We can rest & worship on the Sabbath day, the problem is

people are too far apart these days to gather together. In

those days people all lived in community, where as today

that is sadly lacking in society. To gather one has to travel

and that causes the Sabbath not to be restful enough.

Just gathering with your own household can be very lonely.

Oh for the days when Y'shua will reign & all the world will

follow & be taught Torah from Jerusalem!
anonymous
2011-09-07 03:12:07 UTC
The Ten Commandments were never changed. They were originally given to the Hebrews after the exodus from Egypt. The Hebrews kept the Sabbath beginning at sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday. That has never changed. The Catholic church is the one that changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - not Jesus.



Jesus never broke any laws or commandments. If He had, it would have been a sin and He would not have been a perfect sacrifice, or propitiation, for all of our sins for all time.



If you wish to learn these things for yourself, then read the Bible. Do you plan a vacation and send someone else to take it for you so they can report back to you about it? Do you buy a delicious meal and have someone else eat it so they can tell you how it tasted? Are you going to accept what someone tells you for where you will spend eternity, or are you going to find out for yourself?



It's all up to you. I hope you find out before you die, because then it's too late.
Cindy
2011-09-07 19:43:36 UTC
Snowbird,



Following up on your note to ToFollowHim, I really encourage you to download E-Sword (free and excellent). It's a lot easier than flipping through the Strongs with its microscope-sized print. I'll put the link below. There are many translations available free (and some paid), including a KJV+Strongs, and you can simply mouse over the Strongs number to see the Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek word and its definition. Plus, if you want to see how many times this particular word is used and where, you can search the Strongs number. I love, love, love it.



Regarding the Sabbath, I'm about to use my cool electronic Strongs to find this verse (I hope) where Paul tells the saints, "Let no man judge you in a matter regarding times or days or feast days" (or something like that.) Ah: Here it is! You really need to read the entire chapter, or better yet, the entire letter. The point here is clear, though, and that is that we are not required to keep Jewish dietary and other laws, Jewish feast days, or other Sabbaths, including the weekly Sabbath. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Sabbath. He is our Sabbath rest, of which the 7th day was only a type and a shadow.



Therefore, don't let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of what was to come; the substance is the Messiah. (Colossians 2:16-17 HCSB)



In fact, Paul seems to be actively against keeping ritual laws. I'm sure he wouldn't object to a Christ follower attending a Seder for interest in the historical aspects and the symbolism that foretells the Messiah's advent, but to keep it because you believe God requires it, or because it is somehow better to keep it than not to keep it? That is the problem. Same goes for the weekly Sabbath. We are obligated to follow Jesus, and that is ALL. And following Him is sufficient to rule out all works of the law as well as all works of the flesh. We are now God's children and therefore we are born of the Spirit and live by the Spirit.



Blessings, Cindy



PS: If you decide to download e-sword, be sure to download the Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge, too (TSK). It gives you lots of helpful inter-active cross references.
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anonymous
2011-09-09 13:27:34 UTC
Greetings,



True Christians do not celebrate any Sabbath, neither the first day nor the seventh.



As Christians, Jehovah's witnesses do not believe we are bound by the Mosaic laws including the Decalogue because of the Scriptural evidence.



Nowhere in the writings of Jesus' inspired disciples do we find any requirement for Christians to keep a weekly Sabbath. True Christians abide by all laws mandated for Christians. These laws, such as against idolatry, fornication, etc., are *clearly* stated as binding on Christians in N.T. But, this is not true of the Sabbath law.



1. Col.2:16 shows that the Sabbath was removed and is no longer binding. This verse employs a technical formula used to designate ALL the Sabbaths of Israel: Yearly festivals, Monthly, and Weekly. The clear chronological pattern is an all inclusive enumeration which includes the WEEKLY Sabbath (2Chrn. 2:4; 31:3; Ezek. 45:17; Hos. 2:11). Gal.4:9-11 is an unmistakable parallel.



"Festival refers chiefly to the annual festival like the Passover, Pentecost, etc. New moon describes the monthly festival and the following word `sabbath' refers to the weekly holy day." -Linguistic key to the Grk N.T.



Further, the Greek word "Sabbath" here is used 60 times in the NT and EVERY time it denotes the WEEKLY SEVENTH DAY SABBATH! Only by arbitrarily reinterpreting this word in accord with a theological bias can we exclude the 7th day Sabbath.



These two points REQUIRE the conclusion that the whole system of Sabbaths, including the 7th, was brought to its end with the rest of the Law by the sacrifice of Christ.



2. When the question of obedience to the "Law of Moses," including the Decalog was raised (Ac.15:5), the Apostles stated only three as "necessary": Idolatry, fornication and blood." The Sabbath was not mentioned while other laws such as against idolatry and fornication are *clearly* stated as binding (Ac 15:28,29). The commands they mandated were only those laws observed *before* the Exodus. Nothing else was "necessary" from the Decalog.



3. Scripture is explicit that the Sabbath was *not* given before the Exodus (De.5:3,15, Ps.147:19,20, Gal.3:19 cf. Neh.9:9- 14). And it was only given to natural Israel (the Jews), no one else (Ex.31:16-17). Genesis does not say it was a command for mankind, nor was it in the commands given to Adam and Eve. There is not even one mention in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the Exodus. And Mk.2:27 actually implies the Sabbath was not in existence at Creation.



4. The inspired Christian writings state that "Christ is the end of the Law" (Ro.10:4), which results in Christians being "discharged from the law," (Ro 7:6) just as a wife is "discharged" from her deceased husband. He specifically mentions one of the Ten commandments--coveting--as part of that discontinued "law." That means that just like a dead husband the Law has absolutely no authority (Ro 7:2). See also Gal.5:18; Eph 2:13-15; Col 2:13, 14.



5, The Bible directly states that the Ten Commandments "written on stones" were included in what came to an end! (2Cor. 3:7-11). The Scripture shows that it was NOT *just* the "glory" which was done away with at 2Cor 3:6-11, but the grammar of verse 11?shows that what was "done away with" was the Decalog.



This is made clear by a comparison of the phrases "THAT WHICH is done away with was with glory" and "THAT WHICH remains is in glory." The pronouns identify the subjects as the "ministration of condemnation" and the "ministration of righteousness." It is the *subject* which "passed away" NOT the adjective "glory"!!! Just as it is the subject which "remains" and NOT its glory.



The clear teaching of Scripture is that the whole Mosaic Law covenant, including the Decalogue, was done away with at the same time. The Scriptures do not say "only the ceremonial part was done away with."



Christians were not commanded to keep any certain day as "holy", but to keep every day as "holy to Jehovah." (Rm.14:5- 9). The Christian Sabbath is a spiritual one which is an entering "by faith" into God's seventh creative "day"of rest which has continued for millennia (Heb.4:3,9,10). We put Gods work first in our lives every day, not just one.





It is clear that EVERY argument by those supporting a Sabbath requirement for Christians is based on a faulty interpretation and selective use of Scriptures.



For example, Sabbatarians must separate the so-called "ceremonial laws" from the "moral laws." However, this idea can only be maintained by arbitrarily defining words such as "Sabbath," "law" and "commands" as it fits their theology. If it says we must obey "law" then it must mean the Decalogue, but if it says "law" is not binding it must only mean "ceremonial laws." This is theologically driven eisegesis and a highly dishonest method of interpretation.



Yours,



BAR-ANERGES
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anonymous
2011-09-07 03:03:15 UTC
I say, it doesn't matter what day we make holy, as long as we make one holy. God didn't start creating on a Saturday or a Monday. There was no calendar back then. A calendar is man made due to the story of creation. And the days of the week are names of Roman gods. I will keep Sunday holy because that's the day our Lord rose from the dead.
Gee Waman
2011-09-07 07:07:58 UTC
All Humans on this Planet Earth can pray, meditate or worship at any time convenient to them.



It is true that there is a superpower behind the functioning of the Cosmos, but it is not of the form, world's religions have conceived. No prayer or worship will reach this superpower. Prayers do not reach even to the person you are praying for. Prayers, worships or meditations are for the doers only.
missleslie
2011-09-07 15:02:40 UTC
Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day and rested with God on the 7th cause he made that Sacred and wanted all man kind to enter into" His" day of Rest and no Others.This is Not a New Subject but is not heard yet.



There was not a jew in sight anywhere when this day was made Holy for Man Kind in Genesis 2;2 The Only reason God made this day Sacred is so we, as Christians who accept Christs Teachings Only as the True Author He says He is.... can tell the world, who have so many other gods they worship, that the the true God that" This God,{Christ & Father= from their Image came man}is the REAL One.



This God who Created the Heavens and the Earth in 6 days and asks all man kind to recognize this Day as "His MARK of Authority" to this God and Only the True God of all. By Keeping His day Sacred and this was changed by Emperor Constantine in 361 AD with Romes Blessings and Joining into this decision, to join them up with the Sun Worshipers and be more feasible money wise.



To also separate these New Christians Jews from the non-believing Jews {worship wise and the Priest} and as time went on to give them new instructions by the Church of Rome that only through the Church of Rome will you be saved and they say this has taken Authenticity because All Sunday Worshipers keep Romes Civil law as the true Law of God, the Vicar{Substitute of Jesus Christ on Earth} and they "say personally" if the Churches did not give Rome their" Mark of Authority", they would be SDA'S.



Since most keep the traditions of man, go to Church on Sunday. They do not Recognize who is the True Author of the 7th Day Holiness...they give it to Rome and the Pope.



The True Authority only as the true God of the Universe or in Revelation which Christ wrote goes to Christ ONLY...

"The Mark of the -----" is taking Gods Authority and giving it to self.There is so much proof on this, seen it through reading Romes Writings themselves.



Since no one wants to study in depth Daniel and Revelation and hear what Christ says about the Mark of the Beast and the end time Prophecies, and who tries to take away Gods word to themselves as theirs.... is Blasphemy and the Times of the End..



.then Tradition will be held up till every one see clearly about not being able to by or sell unless you have this tradition firmly ingrained in your heart as all Sunday Keepers do. Only the Sabbath keepers who will not take this Mark of the heart,and will be hunted down and killed as it has been through the History of Free Worship....and these were just Christians like yourself, no jews, who wanted to keep Sabbath Holy and were persecuted cause they were accused of being Judeizers and they were not.



Even Hal Holbrook has a Series out " The Seventh Day -Revelation from The Lost Pages of History and he is not an SDA. www.the7thday.org



The 7th day week has never been lost in History and the 7th day Sabbath was kept from Day 7th of Creation to 361 AD when by law, it became a Civil Law and no longer is Gods Request up held by Faith..



God does not like Tradition for they worship in my name in vain. Do you know why Jews were selected for Gods special People?..It was not because of DNA but they were to go through the Whole World sharing the Gospel of God and the coming of the Messiah and obeying Gods Words from the beginning to the end..As you see they failed and the message went to the Gentiles{non-believers} and as you can see they failed.



.they follow Romes Chosen day to Worship..So most of man kind is not following the word of God and the Bible which God and HIS PEOPLE are, all the people from day one to now, who Love God and accept the Messiah as their own Worship in heart and obedience. Christ who wrote the Bible for ALL...and all is inspired.



is being sectioned off in pieces in what man will believe. Do your research and do not go along with the sheep to the slaughter and do your own Studying.Who do you Worship as the Creator of the Universe and how do you know He is the Creator??If You do not Honor His Authority of Creation in 6 days and Hollowed the 7th. He could be any god.
anonymous
2011-09-09 21:19:57 UTC
How can sun-god day be evil?

Deuteronomy 12:29-32 ESV (29) "When the LORD your God cuts off before you the nations whom you go in to dispossess... (30) take care that you be not ensnared to follow them, after they have been destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire about their gods, saying, 'How did these nations serve their gods?--that I also may do the same.' (31) You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the LORD hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods. (32) "Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus

Genesis 2:1-3 KJV (2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. (3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exodus 20:8-11 KJV Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: (10) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: (11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Isaiah 56:2-8 ESV Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath, not profaning it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil." (3) Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say, "The LORD will surely separate me from his people"; and let not the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree." (4) For thus says the LORD: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, (5) I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. (6) "And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, to minister to him, to love the name of the LORD, and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant-- (7) these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples." (8) The Lord GOD, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, declares, "I will gather yet others to him besides those already gathered."

Isaiah 58:11-13 KJV And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not. (12) And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in. (13) !!**** IF****!! thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Mark 2:27 KJV And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man...

Acts 16:13 KJV And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Acts 13:42-44 GNB As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to come back the next Sabbath and tell them more about these things. (43) After the people had left the meeting, Paul and Barnabas were followed by many Jews and by many Gentiles who had been converted to Judaism. The apostles spoke to them and encouraged them to keep on living in the grace of God. (44) The next Sabbath nearly everyone in the town came to hear the word of the Lord.

Edit: You misunderstand what it means to "be under the Law" or to "not be under the Law". Those who continue to break the Almighty's commandments are under the Law, ie; subject to the penalties of the Law (Romans 6:23). Those who repent and try to live according to Torah and accept the Christ as their Savior, while they still sin, are no longer under the penalty of the Law as long as they continue to repent and overcome their sins. (1 Jn 1:8 to 2:6)

Here's how the Almighty defines HIS people in this end-time:

Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14 KJV Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city..
Hogie
2011-09-07 05:52:20 UTC
What sabbath keepers have done is to redefine the issue, which is one of the methods of deception.



The sabbath was a day of rest, and not corporate worship.



They have also redefined "holy convocation" to mean exclusively communal worship.



An Israelite was commanded to rest on the sabbath, while remaining in their dwelling on that day. The day being a holy convocation meant they were seen as being in the presence of God on that day.



Meals were to be prepared the day before.



Sunday was a day chosen for communal worship by the early church, according to Christian liberty, where Christians have the right to worship any day and in any location they so desire, unlike how worship was regulated under the old covenant.



The sabbath "keeper" desires to bring Christians back under the bondage of the old covenant, which Paul warns against in Galatians 5:1:



Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.



The verses leading up to this declaration prove it is the old covenant being discussed.



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wefmeister
2011-09-07 02:59:28 UTC
The Bible sets no day of observance for Christians. Sabbath is part of the law of Moses, ans we are not under obligation to observe it either on a Saturday (which more correctly is sundown Friday to sundown Saturday), nor on a Sunday.

Otherwise the Apostles ans elders at the Church in Jerusalem would have specified this in sending specific instructions to the Gentile Churches in Asia, as recorded in Acts chapter 15. See for yourself what they commanded....



http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%2015&version=NIV



see also......



http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=colossians%202:13-17&version=NIV
TramMan
2011-09-07 13:11:37 UTC
There is so much argument over which day the sabbath should be it is getting ridiculous. The religious leaders in the days when Jesus was healing on their sabbath constantly rebuked Him for doing work on the sabbath, they hounded Him for allowing His disciples to walk more distance than was permitted on the Sabbath according to the 'fence laws'. These were laws that they attached to the 4th. commandment, so that the very law itself would not be infringed upon. They rebuked Jesus for allowing His disciples to grind corn in the hand, and then eat it! They in turn received rebuke from God Himself (remember that Jesus had said that He only spoke, and did according to God's will (what He had heard The Father say).



Paul when he was Saul of Tarsus was indeed a 'Jew of Jews' (a Sanhedrin), who knew the letter of the Law from a youth. Once Saul was converted to Christ he realised what a total failure salvation by The Law was. The Jews were constantly and incessantly at Christian converts to enter back into Jewish Law - the two most pronounced being circumcision of the flesh (foreskin removal), and feast day rules. To please these 'law lovers', Paul on one occasion even circumcised Barnabas (I think it was), so that when the Jews did their customary inspection of them, they would be accepted. Peter got into trouble with Paul over not mixing at gatherings with the Christian converts, and having removed himself to Jewish tables to eat (this was the power of legalistic persuasion that the Jews were masters at, and it made Paul furious!)



"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, OR OF THE SABBATH days: which are a shadow of things to come;........"(Colossians 2:16,17). Jesus rebuked many times over their understanding of The Sabbath (Mark 2:24-28); note in verse 28 THEREFORE (therefore - referring to what Jesus just said, which was in verse 27 - "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath...."). Although Jesus respected many Jewish religious customs - like it was His custom to enter the synagogue on The Sabbath Day - He did not entertain many of their laws, especially sabbath day laws. Jesus came to bring to us a new and better covenant - the old waxes away, and the new is the reality. The Jewish Christians had these struggles over religious law, and this is why in The New Testament there is so much written on these issues. We are not to return onto these weak and beggarly elements of do this, and don't do that (Galatians 4:9-11) Note well verse 10 " Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years......."



I worship God every day, and so should we all, and I observe the first day as was the custom of all converts (a long time before Paul took the gospel to Rome). The changing of the sabbath day was not instituted by Rome; it was instituted by the first church in Jerusalem (Messianic Jews). Rome was not the first church, regardless of popular catholic thought and pride. Let us all stop arguing over whether a man worships on a particular day of the week, for whatever day he chooses, he chooses it unto God.



Jesus told us that all the commandments hang on 2. Furthermore, if we wish to earn our salvation by the Law, and we break just 1 of them - we are counted as breaking them all. The Law was a 'school teacher' that brought us to the conclusion that we are sinners in need of salvation. Free in Christ? or Bound by Law? Our choice.
Mark
2011-09-07 02:56:40 UTC
It really doesn't matter - sort of like people who argued things like "does the 21st century begin on Jan 1, 2000 or Jan 1, 2001?".
Anyway
2011-09-07 03:00:21 UTC
There is a verse in the Bible where Jesus says that instead of keeping just ONE day holy we should keep EVERY day holy. So it doesn't really matter weather its Saturday or Sunday that you use to gather on.
RazzmaTaz
2011-09-07 03:03:10 UTC
With religion the nonsense is non-stop.
anonymous
2011-09-07 02:53:54 UTC
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