Why don't Atheists see the Koran spoke of the relativity of time before Einstein came about?

Question

meaning observe:
And they urge you to hasten the punishment. But Allah will never fail in His promise. And indeed, a day with your Lord is like a thousand years of those which you count. 22:47

As it is written, a day with Allah is like a thousand years in the WAY we count it. Proving that the relativity of time was spoken about in the Koran before Einstein.


So surely, this is proof that the Koran spoke of the relativity of time before man even knew what that was?

Answer 1

Why don't you shorten things up and say that whatever credited science is in there? It would save you lots more questions like this one. Also, make sure to emphasize that the Quran also talks about scientific findings that weren't yet discovered.



That should cover it all.

Answer 2

This is a "Fallacy of Irrelevance": When you introduce issues which have no logical bearing on the subject under discussion, you are using irrelevant arguments.



Muslims argue that the Koran is the Word of God because it contains some historically or scientifically accurate statements. This argument is irrelevant. Just because a book is correct on some historical or scientific point does not mean it is inspired. You cannot take the attributes of a part and apply it to the whole. A book can be a mixture of true and false statements. Thus it is a logical fallacy to argue that the entire Koran is true if it makes one true statement.



When a Muslim argues that history or science "proves" the Koran, this actually means that he is acknowledging that history and science can likewise refute the Koran. If the Koran contains just one historical error or one scientific error, then the Koran is not the Word of God. Verification and falsification go hand in hand.



Sadly, the koran also states that the sun sets into a "muddy stream" or some such nonsense.



You have stretched what the koran was saying to make it mean something that it never said or intended!



Furthermore, that is a plagiarized statement from the Bible.

If the koran is accurate because of that statement, then the Bible is even more accurate, because it said it first, and yet you reject the Bible!



This also makes it a "Fallacy of False Assumptions": In logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority.



Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Koran. When the Bible and The Koran contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Koran is in error until it proves itself.



Muslims violate the principle of historical precedent by asserting that Islam does not have the burden of proof and that the Koran judges the Bible.



EDIT:

You ask who says this was already in the Bible? LIKE DUH! Now you've gone over the line in stupidity and insanity! The Bible clearly says that "A day, to the Lord, as as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day."

Answer 3

Your quote from the Quran is a direct borrowing by that book from the Christian New Testament: Second letter of Peter chapter 3 verse 8:"With the Lord, a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day" The context is questions over Jesus' Second Coming, when is it?

As to your science claim, Inshallah, is that if at some future point, science adjusts or redefines Einstein's theories, like relativity, because of new evidence, then people like you will be hopping on the internet to proclaim that this new information is in the Quran. It's called "Bucaillism", after Maurice Bucaille , who turned so-called Quran science into an art form.He presented his findings to King Faisal of Saudi Arabia back in the 1970's in a book. The problem is, our knowledge and understanding of science keeps having to be reviewed (by credible scientists in reputable scientific papers and journals) The Quran, like the Christian New Testament,are not science books or scientific endeavours. They were written by well-meaning people who want to give mankind hope in the darkness that is life on earth.

Answer 4

Hello,



In the book of Psalm 90:4, Moses used a simple yet profound analogy in describing the timelessness of God: 'For a thousand years in Your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night'.



As a reminder, the Bible came before the Quran was created.

Answer 5

LuLz



Yeah... with all the 'science' in Qur'an it's a wonder you people haven't claimed EVERY nobel prize for ALL the sciences since Nobel had his first blast... but the reality is you've done very poorly just against the Jews even...



Lookee here...

http://www.jewishmag.com/99mag/nobel/nobel.htm

From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world's population (2 out of every 10 people)



THEN there's a list of recipients… a VERY short one.



From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World's Population (2 out of every 1,000 people)



THEN there's a list... of recipients… a LONG one.



After reviewing these two lists, can you supply a reason for the large discrepancy between the Arab/Islamic population's contribution to the world body and that of the Jew?



There are 165 Jews listed as opposed to 6 from the Arab side.



Wouldn't it seem more likely that with the aid of such a 'SCIENCE' book you people would have the advantage?

Why haven't you people been busier discovering ways to make your people more... oh, I don't know... more famous for creating stuff as opposed to blowing stuff up...?



“The Muslim world is a brittle world, sitting atop a fossilised religion, devoid of any type of political or personal freedom and full of desperately poor people; a world threatened by civilisation and its prosperity, democratic values and, its freedom.”

~

Answer 6

"And indeed, a day with your Lord is like a thousand years of those which you count. " has nothing to do with what Einstein figured out about space, gravity and time as described in the Theory of Relativity.



Nothing.



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Regards,



John Popelish

Answer 7

Relativity is not the same as the theory of relativity. One expression that shows relativity is not the same as explaining how relativity affects the universe. Also, the concept of relativity and several philosophies concerned with it have already existed for a long time. Do try to be less insane.

Answer 8

And the Sumerian tablets spoke about it 5000 years before Muhammad crawled into a cave.

Answer 9

thats not relativity, if anything that was in the bible already (a day is like a thousand years to cheeses (god))



relativity of time would need to incorporate an understanding of space time which the quran doesnt display.

Answer 10

I think you got that from the bible, it says a day with God is a thousand years

Answer 11

- Your passage is not the theory of relativity, it's a metaphor.

- Moses was not a Muslim because Muslims didn't exist back then.

Answer 12

You could probably squeeze dirty water from a dirty dishrag and call it wine too eh? But it's still not wine. You read into what you want to read into, doesn't make it true.

Answer 13

I don't think you quite understand Relativity.

Answer 14

You do realize the Bible makes the same statement?

Answer 15

That passage says nothing about relativity dumb-dumb.



Pray to Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness.

Answer 16

There is no hope for this person...