DO YOU THINK ANY KIND OF PENTECOSTAL CHURCH BE IT ELIM OR AOG SHOULD BE AVOIDED?

Ernest S

2011-10-15 12:38:06 UTC

They are not, "an extremist bunch of crazy nutcases who take religion to the extreme," as you put it but they are misguided and unscriptural in their teachings concerning the Holy Spirit and the Baptism of the Spirit.

They follow signs and manifestations which they claim is the Holy Spirit but is not and is a mixture of emotionalism and hysteria and imagination. The problem is that it takes you off from living by faith and teaches signs and manifestations in its place and so takes you off from the true knowledge of God through Jesus Christ.

We are to follow Christ only and none other. No church or man or doctrine or creed or anything else. Only Jesus Christ. And therefore only through His word, the Bible.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Victor

2011-10-15 07:34:42 UTC

Acts 17:11

Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. (NIV)

The bible is ultimately about our relationship with God and our need for salvation, which is also provided for by God. That is why his only begotten Son, Jesus, died on the cross and rose again to overcome death and condemnation. People love to quote John 3:16, but the versus that immediately follow it are also as important.

My best advice is to be a good Berean and start reading your bible. Ask God to show you the truth by his Spirit as you earnestly seek the truth. We all need an anchor that goes deeper than the particular denomination we may be a part of. That anchor is the Word of God, and that Word became flesh and dwelt among us. (see John 1:14)

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

1 Timothy 2:5

(there is no other mediator, not the Pope,not your church, not your pastor, not your family, definitely not the government).

2011-10-15 06:16:21 UTC

All that to say that your "normal" churches allow you to defy

what God's word teaches... & deep down you want to defy it.

Do you realize the original church, as recorded in the Book of

Acts was "pentecostal"... with active gifts of the Spirit, speaking

in tongues and all the things you scoff at.

It was the later denominations that "took religion too far".. when

they got more concerned about empire-building and following all

kinds of formulated rituals that the brain-dead could recite.

It seems that a church where the Spirit of God is free and active

alarms you too much... so run along and attend one where you

can live in sin and keep your Bible glued shut. Play "church"...

but don't act surprised in the end when Jesus doesn't know you.

2014-03-05 03:05:46 UTC

Hey there, I hope that you have continued your journey towards faith adn that you have settled into a church that preaches the gospel and has a desire to see you accept Jesus as your saviour and are encouraging you to grow in faith.

Although Elim may not be a traditional church such as Church of England or Catholic they are certainly not a cult or a sect. Elim are a denomination that enjoy a more relaxed and normally contemporary style of worship. Being a Pentecostal church the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Holy Spirit such as tongues, healing and prophecy do play a big part in their expression of worship. Please don't get confused or influenced by people who may not like the style of church. Elim have a sound statement of faith and are very active in their communities providing help and assistance through projects such as Foodbanks as well as children's and youth work.

Elim will not be everybody's cup of tea but are worth a try.

You mention that they follow the Bible and condemn sinful life styles. Well yes they do try and follow what the Bible says after all it is the inspired word of God that is profitable for our spiritual growth. Do they condemn? well possibly some members of the churches will condemn certain activities. (Eg sex outside of marraige - the Bible teaches that it is for the marriage not something to be given away or even thrown in all directions) Condemning the activity is different to condemning the person involved in the activity. The Bible teaches us to love all people regardless of activity.

The Great Commission given to the church is to "preach the good news to all people, making disciples and baptising them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" All churches should be working towards introducing people to Jesus.

If you google any group you will find both good and bad information - normally driven by experience. These views are incredibly subjective and need to be treated as such. Just like the papers you can not believe everything you read and I think it is more the case with the internet.

Maybe you have heard or seen that the pentecostal church is at present the fasting growing denomination in the world - that means a lot of people are finding something valuable for themselves there.

Praying that you find a good path that brings you to Jesus. Every blessing

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2011-10-15 06:18:59 UTC

One things I have learned is that the pastors of these churches tend to have no formal biblical training in comparison to to the clergy in other churches. Without an understanding of historical context and translation there is the risk of personal interpretation.

As for speaking in tongues, 90% of it seems like hysteria to me.

I think though that things like sex out of marriage ARE seen by other christian churches as wrong. They may seem more tolerant to it but it's not seen as something that's ideal. For no particular religious reason, I sympathize with this view as having sex outside of committed relationships (that to me doesn't have to mean married but the point is that in a church marriage is way in which commitment is made and shown) is something that on balance of the good, neutral and bad points is overall pretty negative to individuals and society.

Goonhilda

2011-10-15 06:02:31 UTC

Yes, stay away from them. They're nutcases. They have a thoroughly warped sense of reality which is very, very unhealthy.

They see satan and demons where normal people see reality. Whenever there is dissent, they just say that person has a demon. It's ridiculous. You can't have a rational conversation with them.

I used to be involved with these wackos. They are bad news. I'm an atheist now, and I wouldn't want to interfere, but since you asked, I'm telling you, these people will warp your mind and make you paranoid. They will damage your relationships with people you love.

As I said, I'm an atheist. I don't really care what others believe, but you can be a perfectly content, satisfied christian at a moderate church that doesn't teach you paranoia and fear. Please have a happy life, and stay away from these extremists. You don't need to live your life seeing evil around every corner that isn't really there. THAT does not enrich your life.

I don't want you to deconvert, but I'm just advising you that this particular brand of christianity is extremist and dangerous. I'm not seeking to attack your faith. Just be aware that these people have a warped sense of reality.

† Covered Glory †

2011-10-15 06:10:17 UTC

I am a Pentecostal and I enjoy it.

The thing is, you have to understand that any church that is worth its salt will condemn things that are against the Bible. This includes, but is not limited to, living together before marriage, homosexuality, lying, stealing, etc. It doesn't have anything to do with the sect of Christianity (be it Pentecostal, Baptist, Lutheran, etc) but how much that church actually does and preaches what the bible says! The Bible is also very clear that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is lord he is faithful and just to forgive your sins and you become a Christian. If you are not a Christian than no matter how "good" you think you are, it just doesn't' cut it, for ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

That being said, this is not always a popular idea. We seem to think that we can somehow just be "good" enough or give enough money and God will somehow forgive our sins and let us into Heaven when we die. This is so not the case! I would be like your boss telling you that project A needs to be done in one week's time. Yet you think project B is more important so you put your whole heart and soul into that project. You research it, spend money, time and resources on it and do a fantastic job. However, when it comes time to turn in your work, you are fired because you didn't do what your boss said, you worked on project B when it was project A that was originally put on your plate to do. The Bible is very clear on what we must do in order to have eternal life with God.

All that being said, Pentecostals are a fun group of people. Most believe in a personal relationship with God that can be felt and experienced, usually through the gifts of the spirit being made manifest. Our worship is characterized by loud, joyful singing as we try to worship God "in spirit and in truth" as God as told us to do. I enjoy being a Pentecostal as I said but I do not agree with all things (such as speaking in tongues) but with all things I am told to "try" or "test" all things to see if they come from God. If you have a relationship with God then you should be doing the same!

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2016-01-28 11:23:45 UTC

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2011-10-15 06:00:21 UTC

Jeez I had to skip to the end because it didn't seem worth the time to read every line of that monologue.

When i was young I went to an Assembly of God church. I also had occasion to visit a Methodist church and a couple of others. I didn't see anything about the AOG church that stood out as shocking in comparison to the others I visited. We even had a "kid's church" section where teens of the congregation entertained the little ones with Biblical-themed puppet shows and songs and stuff.

That stuff you said was outrageous--stuff like the church being against premarital sex and being suspicious of that d**n music kids always seem to like is pretty universal among churches I've been to.

I did see someone "speak in tongues" at a revival once, but seriously, as a beginning student of languages, I knew he wasn't speaking "perfect French" as another congregant thought, but was just babbling in a semi-ecstatic state.

Bottom line? The church I attended is now gone. The AOG congregants in my town were mostly older folks, and as they died, there were no new faithful to take their seats. I imagine many towns are experiencing such declines.

If you are strong of personality and confident in your own beliefs, no one can brainwash you.

1Up

2011-10-15 06:00:40 UTC

I was in a pentecostal church, and it seriously messed me up.

Typically in Pentecostal churches, you will find a cultish system of leadership, where the leader has all of the power, and the church member has very little.

They use a lot of repetition of certain phrases, which have a way of altering the way you think and the way you perceive the world - and not in a good way.

I learned the hard way exactly how damaging Pentecostalism is.

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2011-10-15 06:02:48 UTC

Any denomination that makes you feel depressed or troubled should be avoided.

They all have their faults, Christ may be the corner-stone, but we humans bring our

failings into most things we do.

It is really all down to you, and your relationship with God,

if you are happy with that, then break free of controlling churches,

and serve God as you and he would wish.

Gregory

2011-10-15 05:55:54 UTC

no they are doing what god said to do to try and win you for Christ by accepting Christ as your Savior.

would you call this a proper church service? yes

Would you attend this kind of church? yes

Do you think pentecostal church people are a bunch of over the top extremists? no

Should i get out and stay out & go back to a ''NORMAL'' Traditional Church Of England church-rather than get any more involved with this elim church? no

Can these churches with their extreme beliefs cause worsening of depression etc?

no they do not cause those things

no their not an extremist bunch of crazy nutcases who take religion to the extreme

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Denise, instead of following what "Pentecostals" and anti-Pentecostals say, why not just open your bible at Acts 2 (Pentecost), put yourself there, get to know what God did and what the apostles said. See also 1 Corinthians 14 which details what should/shouldn't happen in public meetings of the God's church. ... You WILL see that what calls itself "Pentecostal" is different in doctrine and practice to what GOD set up! (Of course the same is true of the CoE) You will also see that the anti-brigade are attacking a straw man and throwing out the baby with the bathwater. NEITHER of the options you have looked at are being faithful. I hope you are open to that? Here's my personal testimony: I was brought up Anglican, but I only went because my dad wanted me to go, there was nothing inspiring there for me so when I left for University I stopped going. While there I started to consider the purpose of my life, and realised I didn't have one that satisfied me, "the world was my oyster", but there was no pearl ! So when some people who obviously believed in the bible spoke to me I decided to investigate properly. I started going to various church meetings and was told to pray a “sinners prayer”, believing, and as such I was "a Christian". For the next 18 months I continued going to meetings and reading books by people considered to be "Christian leaders" to try and work out God's will for me, without success! All I got was opinions. Then I met people who were not going to different churches and reading lots of books about God, they had a confidence and contentment I had not attained to, despite my efforts. I realised my relationship with God was mostly one-way, from me, not the daily, growing 2-way relationship they seemed to have. They had received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues (an unlearned prayer language that God leads his people in, cos only he knows his perfect will for us, it allows him to minister his grace & love to our hearts - 1 Cor. 14v2, 4; Jude 20-21). They also had other direct input and leading from God. After a while I realised I was getting nowhere spiritually so for the first time I actually prayed expecting God to *do* something... namely give me the same as them or whatever else I needed. One evening I was alone in my room, not doubting or fearing, just believing God had said yes to me (because he could have no favourites), and wanting nothing more, I prayed and spoke in tongues and in the days that followed I realised I had the Life spoken of in the bible, whereas before I was trying to be something I was not ! I used to worry and get bored, now I see God opening my understanding about why things are the way they are, and more importantly, what life can be like. I left the old churches because I could see they was as I was before, not as I wanted to be. The church I'm now in is like the one in the new testament, all members have the new Life, we have a unity I never found before. I now have contentment and fulfilling purpose that only the living God can give. I am now able to know God's thoughts and live according to His nature because I have His heart and mind through the Holy Spirit in me. . Feel free to e-m me at potentiallywonderful(at) yahoo(dot)co(dot)uk with any questions, or better still, just come to our nearest meeting:

2016-04-15 12:03:47 UTC

Denise, instead of following what "Pentecostals" and anti-Pentecostals say, why not just open your bible at Acts 2 (Pentecost), put yourself there, get to know what God did and what the apostles said. See also 1 Corinthians 14 which details what should/shouldn't happen in public meetings of the God's church. ... You WILL see that what calls itself "Pentecostal" is different in doctrine and practice to what GOD set up! (Of course the same is true of the CoE) You will also see that the anti-brigade are attacking a straw man and throwing out the baby with the bathwater. NEITHER of the options you have looked at are being faithful. I hope you are open to that? Here's my personal testimony: I was brought up Anglican, but I only went because my dad wanted me to go, there was nothing inspiring there for me so when I left for University I stopped going. While there I started to consider the purpose of my life, and realised I didn't have one that satisfied me, "the world was my oyster", but there was no pearl ! So when some people who obviously believed in the bible spoke to me I decided to investigate properly. I started going to various church meetings and was told to pray a “sinners prayer”, believing, and as such I was "a Christian". For the next 18 months I continued going to meetings and reading books by people considered to be "Christian leaders" to try and work out God's will for me, without success! All I got was opinions. Then I met people who were not going to different churches and reading lots of books about God, they had a confidence and contentment I had not attained to, despite my efforts. I realised my relationship with God was mostly one-way, from me, not the daily, growing 2-way relationship they seemed to have. They had received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues (an unlearned prayer language that God leads his people in, cos only he knows his perfect will for us, it allows him to minister his grace & love to our hearts - 1 Cor. 14v2, 4; Jude 20-21). They also had other direct input and leading from God. After a while I realised I was getting nowhere spiritually so for the first time I actually prayed expecting God to *do* something... namely give me the same as them or whatever else I needed. One evening I was alone in my room, not doubting or fearing, just believing God had said yes to me (because he could have no favourites), and wanting nothing more, I prayed and spoke in tongues and in the days that followed I realised I had the Life spoken of in the bible, whereas before I was trying to be something I was not ! I used to worry and get bored, now I see God opening my understanding about why things are the way they are, and more importantly, what life can be like. I left the old churches because I could see they was as I was before, not as I wanted to be. The church I'm now in is like the one in the new testament, all members have the new Life, we have a unity I never found before. I now have contentment and fulfilling purpose that only the living God can give. I am now able to know God's thoughts and live according to His nature because I have His heart and mind through the Holy Spirit in me. . Feel free to e-m me at potentiallywonderful(at) yahoo(dot)co(dot)uk with any questions, or better still, just come to our nearest meeting:

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Laura

2014-03-03 17:48:46 UTC

I read all of the comments, and I have a few things to say.

Before I do, I want to say that I came from a Muslim background. I am not a Muslim, I'm actually a witch, therefore I believe that I can shed some light into the Pentecostal movement. My mother on the other hand, even though was Muslim, converted to Christianity about 20 years ago or so. Maybe a tad less, not really keeping tabs.

When my mother was "saved", she was introduced to the Pentecostal movement. I only met mum when I was 21, (I am now 28).

My mother is actually very discerning, but even i had to tell her a few things.

So, getting to the topic........Nearly most, if not all Pentecostal churches around the WORLD, ARE infiltrated by PAID SATANISTS to deceive and destroy the church and christians. Nearly most, if not all, ARE FOLLOWING FALSE DOCTRINES. that is not me being a smart ***, that is me being realistic. if you ever wanted information from an actual person who knows what they are talking about, now would be the time to listen. and there are many others who are talking too and telling truth, but trying to tell Pentecostals they are wrong is like talking to the wall.

I've been doing this for years now, trying to open their eyes. yes because my mother is a Christian, but mostly because I get so sick and tired of Pentecostals being so judgemental and telling everyone they are going to hell, when IN FACT they too are playing the devils game, and some are blind to see.

ONE: Christmas has absolutely NOTHING to do with Jesus. some of you may argue or deny that, I don't care. how can anything with pagan origin be "Christian" and about Jesus. really. get real. I could write an essay on this topic and many others, but I guess you can do your research. point being though, nothing about jesus, and you (or Christians in general) celebrating it on the exact date of an actual pagan holiday would be an insult to Jesus.

TWO: Easter has NOTHING to do with Jesus. Same thing. Pagan.

THREE: Speaking in tongues. some say its demonic, some say its a gift. I say, it IS demonic in the way todays church "speaks in tongues". Anyone with half a brain would know that tongues is ACTUAL FOREIGN LANGUAGES. not the jibber jabber that goes on in todays churches. the jibber jabber IS DEMONIC.

FOUR: Tithing. Not Necessary. Churches and Pastors just want money. simple. the end. you want to argue that, please do some research first.

FIVE: Laying on off hands, healing. As sad as it is to say.....demonic. yes DEFINATELY God can heal, but he will do that on his own accord. But what people like Benny Hinn and the like do....Demonic. Benny is also a part of the Knights Templar. They do worship the devil. simple. the end. and when you see people in churches falling BACKWARDS, or screaming, or laughing or shaking hysterically.....that is NOT OF GOD.

SIX: Lets talk a bit about the prosperity Gospel and the preachers of the like. I really don't know what Christians listen to and what appeals to them so much, but I don't get why they cant discern that. Everybody on earth with a brain should know that EARTHLY RICHES, who promises? Lucifer. Simple. why Christians are falling for EARTHLY riches sermons, is beyond me. Yes its all very nice to have money and live a nice life, but if you read your bibles, Jesus is not all about that.

SEVEN: Preachers like; Joel Osteen, Joseph Prince, Td Jakes, Benny Hinn, Paula White, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Kenneth E hagin, Billy Graham, etc.....are all SERVING the DEVIL. they are all playing the devils game. I cannot stress that enough. I don't care how much you love them, how nice they are, how caring they are....and I don't care how much you wanna argue that until you go blue in the face..... facts are facts.

EIGHT: prophesying. just another word for fortune telling. simple. the end. yes god can show you things in your dreams perhaps, and such. but other than that....!

NINE: Deliverance. Usually Pentecostals (and maybe other denominations, im not sure) would perform a deliverance or a few, on a person with "demons" or someone who has come to Christ, who was previously a witch or Satanist. some may say that, that is great and all. if a person doing the deliverance wasn't a "fake" Christian (by that mean following false doctrines, or pretending to be a Christian) then yes the deliverance would somewhat work. however, a demon will not leave a person and will never leave a person if the person commanding the demon is an idiot or fake. they might lie dormant inside a person and pretend to have left, but that's about it. IN GENERAL, demons will not be commanded or leave or be disturbed, by Pentecostals. they can try as much as they want, but the demons will just laugh at it. demons like anyone else, want respect. but if youre throwing jesus in their face and commanding them out, and you yourself aren't following TRUTH and the RIGHT doctrines, you can "deliver out" all you want, but nothing will happen. REMEMBER: demons, devils and lucifer himself knows the bible. they know the TRUTH. they also know whether you follow truth or not. they are very intelligent, contrary to what you may believe.

Those are just some things that Pentecostals follow, there are so much more. they are so fast to point the finger and tell us how we are the children of the devil and we are going to hell, but god forbid we tell them they are following the "heathens" too.... they cant stand to hear it. they need to open up those bibles and read for themselves, instead of being sheeple to pastors and following and agreeing with everything they say. After all, they are there only to deceive and plant false doctrine. pastors and deacons and the such DO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, and are doing it willingly. they are wolves in sheeps clothing. not a joke.

Pentecostal churches are amongst the EASIEST to INFILTRATE! without a doubt.

Remember: RELIGION (hence denominations) are MAN MADE! I cannot stress that enough.

From the beginning, it was all about JESUS AND LUCIFER. it was ALWAYS about picking a side. you were either with God, Or you were with Lucifer. Anything in the middle, still belongs to Lucifer.

2011-10-15 06:01:53 UTC

seems to me like you have seen all the warning signs and have very strong doubts about getting involved

as an atheist I will just say that jesus said to love one another.. and thats fine with me

he didnt say anything about going to extremes about it though

2011-10-15 06:01:03 UTC

Too much blurb. Stay away from them they are crazy. Stay away from religion in general.

?

2011-10-15 06:02:12 UTC

Avoid church and religion at all costs...it will f*ck you up

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2011-10-15 05:52:04 UTC

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