Question:
Do Christians believe a person can still have a Jewish lineage but be Christian?
2010-02-13 08:33:50 UTC
I won't use the term Messianic Jews because that is inflamatory.

Do Christians believe Jews lose their ethnic Jewish past if they are Jews who believe in Jesus?

How can you lose your ethnecticity?
Fifteen answers:
Rella
2010-02-13 08:41:17 UTC
Non-Christian Jews believe that a person cannot be both Jewish and Christian. But as a Gentile Christian, I say yes, Jews can be both Christian and Jewish. That's my answer according to my beliefs and according to Christian Scripture:



Romans 1:16

"I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile."



Here are websites for a few relevant organizations:

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/answers/prophecy/evidence

http://www.realmessiah.com/Home.html
robb
2010-02-13 11:15:06 UTC
Judaism defines a person as Jewish if their mother was Jewish or if they are a convert to Judaism. If a person who was born Jewish decides to convert to Christianity their ancestors would still be Jewish but that person would be 100% Christian.. If a Christian converts to Judaism their ancestors would still be Christian but that person would be 100% Jewish. See how simple that was?



Here is where it gets "Messy" (pun intended). "Messianic Judaism" (few here find it offensive when placed in quotation marks) is not Judaism nor is it Christianity as your question implies but it is a mixture of these two religions. This is a fact that many here seem to miss. Many, if not most were never Jewish to begin with and never had a Jewish "ethnicity" . (something most Christians seem to miss) Many of those who were Jewish left Judaism, became Christian and then later became "Messianic" rather than going from Judaism to "Messianic". I could actually name a "Messianic rabbi" who is fairly well known who left Judaism, became a Christian, and served in some official position within an Assemblies of God church before becoming "Messianic". I could also name one "Messianic rabbi" who is not so well known who went from Judaism to nothing, to "Jehovah's witness", and then to "Messianic". When he decided to become a "rabbi" he went to a Baptist seminary.

All the different backgrounds within the "Messianic" movement make it difficult to sort out what they believe or even what many mean when they use the term "Messianic Jew".



Your question is a wee bit confusing and I have to wonder if that is your intention.
The angels have the phone box.
2010-02-13 10:26:48 UTC
Psst. Judaism isn't an ethnicity. There are Jews of every race and just about every ethnicity on the planet. It's not a culture either. The cultures associated with Judaism include the Sephardic (disapora from Spain and Portugal, Ladino language), Ashkenazic (eastern European, Yiddish), Mitzrahic (middle eastern), Falasha/Beta Israel (Ethiopian) and so on. India has five distinct Jewish groups with different languages.



It's a religion. Outsiders, including Christians, can claim to redefine Jewish identity all they want, but that doesn't mean they're right.



Someone who was once Jewish and decides to believe in Jesus has effectively renounced their citizenship in the Jewish religion. There is simply no 'Jewish ethnicity' to lose.
Ambi valent
2010-02-13 11:42:06 UTC
The first problem with your question is the reference to ethnicity. Being Jewish is not an ethnic characteristic. It's a religious adherence. So one doesn't lose one's heritage (any more than a lapsed Catholic loses their Catholic heritage) but someone who is a Christian can't also be Jewish. If they were born Jewish they will be able to return to Judaism without conversion (they'll have to convince a rabbi of their sincerity to be welcomed back), but until/unless they do so, they are considered apostate, don't count towards a minyan, can't be buried in a Jewsih cemetery, aren't regarded as Jewish for the purpose of marriage etc.



So it doesn't hugely matter what Christians imagine - the fact is, a person does lose their membership fo the Jewish family if they become Christian.



But above all, please, please, don't ally yourself with the Nazis by suggesting that Jewish heritage is an ethnic matter.



EDIT: Diadem hasn't understood. It's true that there is a sense in which once a Jew, always a Jew, but if you're following a different religion, you are not part of the Jewish community, don't count in a minyan, can't be buried in a Jewish cemetery, etc etc. So claiming 'Jewishness' is a bit off the mark. Oh, and to talk about it being 'in the blood' is a disgusting piece of anti-semitic garbage.
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2016-10-01 16:35:05 UTC
the 1st 5 books of the old testomony interior the christian bible is the Torah or Jewish bible. something of the old testomony makes up 2 different Jewish holy books and whilst all 3 are revealed mutually they're referred to as the Tanach, that's an abbreviation of all 3 names.
2010-02-13 12:59:34 UTC
They believe than anyone, no matter what their background, that accepts Jesus as their savior is now that religion. Ethnic heritage is irrelevant.



How could they possibly believe that Jews lose their ethnicity if they convert? That is a physical impossibility.



However, by Jewish law, such people would no longer be Jews.
Jonathan
2010-02-13 12:31:04 UTC
I think when a Jew converts to Christianity, they've changed their religion, not their ethnicity.
?
2010-02-13 09:05:55 UTC
Jeff H stated,

"So, actually, Christians are (Hebrew)Jews, spiritually! WOW!"



Gentile Christians can never be Jews. Paul constantly uses the words "Gentiles" and "Jews" ("circumcision") in his epistles which means he always acknowledged the ethnic distinction between the groups. Nevertheless, the believers in both groups partook of the same exact salvation through the Messiah.



When Paul made the comment referring to spiritual Jews in Romans 2:28-29, he was speaking only to Jews (cp. Rom. 2:17), not to the Gentiles in the Roman congregation.



To the original poster:

The original disciples of Yeshu'a were Jewish.

Jewishness is by matrilineal descent, thus its in the blood.

Belief in something other than Orthodox Judaism (or its common movements) cannot change one's genes.

A Jew is always a Jew. Man's opinions on the matter, no matter how hateful, spiteful, and disingenuous, cannot and do not change that fact. Ever.



Even Jews who convert to Islam are still considered to be Jewish.
Jeff M
2010-02-13 08:50:00 UTC
Christians have a whole lot they NEED to learn from the Jews. Nope. How could that be possible? Jesus was a Jew. Paul was of Roman birth, was studying to be a Pharisees, and The Lord used him to bring The Word to the Gentiles, and Jews. WE have all been "grafted" in by the Abrahamic covenant. So, actually, Christians are (Hebrew)Jews, spiritually! WOW! Have we missed it.That is why,if ya actually read, and study your "human" owners manual, you will find that the O.T. is just as relevant today, as when it was written. The Jews do know this. Can't lose your ethnicity, ya are what ya are. An Eskimo doesn't turn into a Caucasian just because he accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.
scaerdrys
2010-02-13 12:19:32 UTC
There is no such thing as an ethnic Jewish past. The whole notion of an 'ethnic Jew' was coined in the late 19th century, among bigoted 'scholars' in Austria and Germany. At its core, it is little more than xenophobic political pseudophilosophies dressed up as anthropological and genetic truths. Prior to this time, the Christian Church considered Jews to be a religious group, as did the Jews themselves. They treated us as a religious group, and anti-Jewish violence perpetrated by the larger community had a clear religious slant. The expulsion of the Jews from the Iberian Peninsula, or from England, took the form of one larger religious community driving out another. Religious clerics pressured the Jews prior to their departure from those countries to become Christians, and so avoid persecution in the present. The same is true for the Spanish Inquisitions---and for the earlier Central/Western Euro Inquisitons that led up to it...those former Jews (conversos) who were charged as 'heretics' by the Spanish community were so charged because they were believed to STILL be Jewish (that is, they were charged for continuing to observe Jewish religious practices).



In the late 19th century Germany & Austria, things changed. The Jews became secular, and more involved in the non-Jewish community. The bigots felt threatened, but realized that they had lost their excuse for hating Jews (religion). In search of another excuse for his antiJewish bigotry, a man named Wilhelm Marr decided to impose his sick worldview on linguistics. He resorted to finding a meaning in two groups of languages that were never supposed to be there; namely, the "Semitic" group of languages, of which Hebrew is one, is evidence for a 'Semitic' race, and the 'Aryan' group of languages (which we now call the 'Indo-European' branch, since the term 'Aryan' has baggage) is evidence of an "Aryan" race. This only makes sense if you also believe that the hundreds of Papua New Guinean communities that have remained isolated from the world for centuries and are now shifting to speaking a Germanic language (Tok Pisin) are ethnically Germans. Obviously, the "Semitic" race was a threat to the "Aryan" race...plotting a political takeover, going to outpopulate the 'Aryans" and dillute the gene pool, exc. You can see where this line of 'thought' led. Hitler loved it. So do Messis.



There are Ethiopian Jewish communities, Ugandan Jewish communities, Indian Jewish communities, Sephardic Jewish communities, Ashkenazi Jewish communities, Arab Jewish communities, Persian Jewish, and so many other Jewish communities of ethnically diverse backgrounds. To claim that there is something like 'Jewish ethnicity' is to slap these communities--in addition to the ones who suffered directly from the poisonous political propaganda disseminated by Marr and, later, Nazis-- in the face. And that would be un-Christian...at least according to my formerly Jewish, Catholic mother.



There are also plenty of Christian clergy who find the notion of using Nazi ideology to decieve Jews into conversion to Christianity to be deplorable and un-Christian behavior, including the Evangelical Lutheran Church, and the Presbyterian Church.





Peace



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Halakhakly, children born to a Jewish mother are considered Jewish, not because the mother has special blood that she passes to her child, but because the Jewish soul is passed from mother to child. To say that one inherits "Jewishness" from the mother because 'it's in the blood' is an obvious indulgence in the Nazi ideology on which the "Messianic Jewish" concept is grounded. Apostate Jews can betray their Jewish souls, and are thus shunned from the Jewish community. There are many passages in the Tanakh that support this.
pepgurli
2010-02-15 13:31:23 UTC
No you don't lose your ethneciticity and in reality all christians come from the jewish religion
jsyk
2010-02-13 08:40:15 UTC
I'm a Christian and I do not believe that at all. That's like saying a Kurdish person cannot be an American citizen. Nothing changes where you have come from.
shahidameen
2010-02-13 09:11:37 UTC
They can be jews and christians also.
The Truth Hurts! Ouch!
2010-02-13 08:50:02 UTC
You cannot lose your ethnicity. "Messianic Jews" is not inflammatory.
?
2010-02-13 08:37:23 UTC
First Christians were Jews.

Ethnicity did not change.


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