Confused about the holy trinity?

Question

A muslim guy told me the holy trinity (holy spirit, jesus, & God) doesn't exist. The 3 are 3 separate entities and not all as 1 (god). In Islam, they believe the Christian's holy spirit is Gabriel the arch angel (the messenger to Mohammad). And that God is the same God that Christians worship, and that Jesus was a prophet.
I always kind of wondered about it. But then I found an explanation online that said that the holy trinity isn't 1+1+1=3, it's 1x1x1=1. I told him this, and he still dismissed it.
I'M JUST GETTING SO CONFUSED

Answer 1

IF INDEED YOU WERE TO BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY OR HELLFIRE, you would still be confused! Note please the 2 lies about Jehovah God & Christ Jesus that would remain forever in the worst of purgatories ( if there ever was a real purgatory.).



The 3 min. audio / article "The Lie That Made God a Mystery"



https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20131101/lie-made-god-a-mystery-trinity/#?insight



Also please note the 3 min. audio "The Lie That Made God Cruel":



https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20131101/lie-made-god-cruel-hell/#?insight



Hope this might have helped!

Answer 2

No. I am not confused about the Holy Trinity. The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are One.



Jesus said, "I and the Father are one."

Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I am." And all the Jews knew who Jesus was saying that "I Am" is?

Jesus was crucified because the High Priest knew Jesus was making Himself equal with God. Only God can forgive sin, yet Jesus forgave sin. Jesus was God in human flesh that emptied Himself to walk among His creation. Jesus said, "If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father." No confusion about Holy Trinity.

Answer 3

3 persons one God. Its simple. Muslims are the fake ones. Islam is the denial of the tenants of Christianity. They deny the trinity,Jesus being God and they are just like every religion out there. Works for salvation boom! Fake Holy book(the quoran).

Answer 4

peace be upon you(Assalamu Alaikum).



Trinity is a concept developed later on just because of John mentioned 1 or 2 verses that are vague.



Like the word Bible is not mentioned in the bible similarly the word trinity is never mentioned in the bible.



Lets for example Take john(Gospler) and the concept of Trinity.



John 14 verse 28

My Father is greater than I.



John 10 verse 29

My Father is greater than All.



In ur question you have provided some mathematical material. Lets test these 2 verses with mathematics.



Father is greater than I.

1+1.5+1.25 = 1 = Not Possible



1x 1.5 x 1.25 = 1 = Not Possible either.





If jesus(PBUH) is taken equivalent to holy spirit the test still fails



1 + 1.5 + 1 = 1=fail

1 x 1.5 x 1 = 1 = fail



Father is greater than All

1 + 1.5 + 1 = 1 = Not Possible

1 x 1.5 x 1 = 1 = Not possible

1.3 x 1.5 x 1.25 = 1 = fail



So whether you make addition or multiply, this concept of trinity doesn't seem to work.

Answer 5

The way I see the trinity is: it's like hearing a song on the radio or music player:

The sound coming from the speaker is a recording of the artist. It would be correct to name the singer as the singer... but it is really a recording of the singer being broadcast through the air to our ears.

.

God is the original singer, Jesus is the words we hear (logos), and the media (radiowaves and recordings) are the spirit.

Father, Son and Spirit.

1: The origin,

2: the spoken word (logos),

and 3: the medium that connects both.

That's a trinity isn't it?

Just like thoughts, words, and actions.

Answer 6

Jesus made it very clear that he is not equal to God. John 8:28,29 is just one example. So they are not the same.



Holy spirit is not a person. Luke 1:41 is one example.

Answer 7

John 14:28 jesus states the father is greater than I. This mean the father(God), Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are seperate. If God is greater than Jesus that makes him his son (Matthew 27:43)

Answer 8

The Holy Trinity in Christianity is made up of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit! The Holy Trinity in Christianity are NOT three different entities as Christianity is not a polytheistic religion, Christianity is an Abrahamic & Monotheistic religion!



We can see that in Exodus 20:3 in the Holy Bible that God specifically tells us that "You shall have no other gods before me". Also, when we look at Matthew 3:16-17 and Matthew 28:19, we can clearly see that the Holy Bible literally teaches that God is not three god's, but God is the three in one. Those obviously being the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.



And furthermore, when we look at John 10:30, we can clearly see that Jesus Christ affirms that He and God are one, meaning that they're not separate!

Answer 9

No it is a Stupid Roman Catholic thing we Anglicans believe in Christ and not the Dictatorship of the Roman Pagan Church



remember the Roman Church was set up By the Pagan Constantine



Pray tell me where does it mention in any New testament where it mentions the Trinity



Jesus said to peter who am i your are the Son of God on that i will build my church so where does the Dictator the Pope Come From



Not From the new Testament



Since there is no binding authority in the Anglican Communion (the Archbishop of Canterbury has no authority outside of his own province), the “Instruments of Unity” serve to hold the various churches and provinces together. The Lambeth Conference is a gathering of bishops, meeting every ten years, the meeting of Primates takes place every two or three years for consultation on theological, social, and international issues, and the Anglican Consultative Council brings together bishops, presbyters, deacons, lay men and women, and youth, to work on common concerns.



Making El pope a dictator of a Church set up by a Pagan Henry V111 was a roman catholic when he saw the Light

Answer 10

First of all why are you going to a Muslim to find the truth of God and the truth of who Christ is? Do you not know? Why would you allow yourself to be confused by listening to wrong sources?

Jehovah Witnesses use the Encyclopedia Britannica and Muslims will use the Quran but as Christians we take the word of God not the word of man.

The word of God is to be taken by faith and the Bible says without faith it is impossible to please him (Hebrews 11)

Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart

Answer 11

believe what you will,does the muslim ( of whom the greater part of a billion six hundred million are peaceful and law abiding)

feel jihad is justified?

if he does or exculpates committers of terrorism, you have zzeeeero humanity in common

if he is your pal,and peace inclined,live and let be

Answer 12

No confusion . I am from New York , therefore I can smell a scam a mile away . The BuyBull is just that .

Religion is poison made by man .

Spirituality is of ' God ' .

Answer 13

The truth is, the trinity is not a scriptural teaching. The word trinity is not found in the Bible. The concept was not a part of first century Christian beliefs, rather, it was adopted into the church in the 4th century. One thing I've noted about most of the responses to your question lack the use of scriptures. The Bible should serve as your guide to the truth, not peoples mere ideas. The following is some scriptural research into the subject. I invite you to use your own copy of the Bible to lookup the following passages. Take your time with it. Hope this helps!



There are differences in the Father and the Sons qualities...



Jeremiah 10:10 - Jehovah is the True Living God

Matthew 16:16 - Jesus is the Son of the Living God



POWER/AUTHORITY -

John 14:28 - "The Father is greater than I am", says Jesus.

1 Cor 11:3- "The head of Christ is God". (This was spoken after Jesus was resurrected to heavenly life, not when he was living as a man on earth.)



Jesus’ mindset was different than Gods. John 5:19 - "The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner."



Jesus prayed to someone who could help him, his God whom he had a healthy fear of. Hebrews 5:7 - "During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear”.

Phil 2:9 - "...God exalted him (Jesus) to a superior position" (Shows separateness, he did not exalt himself)

Matthew 20:20-23 in vs 23 "He said to them: “You will indeed drink my cup, but to sit down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”

Jesus does not have the authority that his Father does.



1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,"

In any court mediation, the mediator cannot be the plaintiff or defendant, but must be a neutral party. Jesus could only play the role of a "mediator" if he was not the Father.



John 5:22 - "For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,"



Jesus, though he chooses to be obedient to the Father, has his own free will that is separate from Gods..

Luke 22:42 "saying: “Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.”

Matthew 26:39 "And going a little way forward, he fell facedown, praying: “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.”

Matt 7:21- “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will."



ORIGIN -Jesus has a beginning.

Col. 1:15 - ‘Jesus is the firstborn of all creation’ (he was created, whereas God has always been)

Rev 3:14 - Jesus is "the beginning of the creation by God"

Rev 3:12 - After being resurrected to heavenly life Jesus still refers to his "Father". This shows he is his own distinct person whether while he was on earth, as well as when he has resurrected to the heavens.

Prov 8:12,22,25-26 Jesus experience is written as first created, master worker with God in the beginning. Though it does not name Jesus specifically in this verse, there is no one else who perfectly fits this position as Jesus does, and it is in harmony with the other aforementioned scriptures. (Compare 1 Corinthians 1:24)



EQUALITY



Matthew 10:17-18 -- Someone called Jesus "good teacher". Jesus states that no one is good, only God (not God the father, just God).

Matthew 12:31-32’If you speak against the Son of man it will be forgiven him, but if you speak against the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven him, not in this system or that to come.’

This shows that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are different as well.

Answer 14

Both Christianity and Islam and for that matter all religions are fabrications of the human mind. Learn to think for yourself.

Answer 15

That is a very popular belief in our time. But did you know that this is not what was taught by Jesus and his disciples? So, we worship the One that Jesus said to worship.’ When Jesus was teaching, here is the commandment that he said was greatest . . . (Mark 12:28-30).

Jesus never claimed to be equal to God. He said . . . (John 14:28).

Colossians 1:15 says : "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation"

This indicates that Jesus has a beginning.

In contrast, Psalm 90:2 says: "Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land, From everlasting to everlasting,you are God." God has always existed. Jesus was his firstborn creation.

Answer 16

Confused? There are no confusion in what the Bible teaches. What the Bible teaches about God and Jesus is clear and simple. It is not difficult to understand. Neither the word “Trinity” nor the concept is found in God’s Word. The Bible clearly states that Jesus Christ is God’s firstborn Son. (Colossians 1:15) It also points to Jesus as being the “mediator between God and men.” (1 Timothy 2:5) About the Father, the Bible says: “May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah,

You alone are the Most High over all the earth.” (Psalm 83:18)

Answer 17

Praise be to Allah,

My friend when ever we claim something it must be backed by proof and logic.Christians claim the Trinity as a Main stone of their Faith .We ask very sincerely on what do they Base this Claim on ??? Can they prove from the Bible that Jesus [pnuh] preached the concept of the Trinity OR jesus[pbuh] mentioned the word Trinity or Jesus [pbuh] said that I an a Part of a Three God concept !!! NO Trinity is a concept evolved BY the Roman Emperor Constantine in the Year 325 Ad.in keeping with the preaching of Paul !!! THIS is recorded in History.IF any christian takes the trouble of finding out what was THE COUNCIL OF NICEA IN 325 AD about they will learn the truth of the Trinity...!!!!

Over the years Christians have evolved many ways to explain the three in one concept like 1+1+1= 1 OR or an Apple or even what you have said 1x1x1=1 but even 1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1=1,Can one justify a three god concept by calculations ???? The very fact that there is Doubt and Confusion in the matter of The Trinity worship is enough to cast apprehensions on the authenticity of a Religion !!!

As far as Islam is Concerned THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD !!!! The Spirit that Obeys God;s Command and Brings revelations and God's word to this earth is The arc Angel Gabriel, Jesus [pbuh] was a Mighty Prophet of Almighty God sent to the lost sheep of Israel, as He himself claimed in the Bible and the Son of Man !!! The prophet Muhammed [pbuh] is the last prophet in the line of Prophets and send for the entire universe till the Day of Judgement !!!

There is NO doubt that Jesus [pbuh] was a Messiah,The Christ [but this is not translated into God },he was Born without Male intervention to Mary the Virgin[pbuh] But so was Adam and Eve created without parents !!!!

This is The Truth and God Knows Best !!!

Answer 18

There is every reason for you to get confused.



I do not want to deny what you say here.



If you do not like, you can as well reject that idea from that guy.



Quote:



The Christian doctrine of the Trinity holds that God is three consubstantial persons or hypostases—the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit—as "one God in three Divine Persons". The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature" (homoousios). In this context, a "nature" is what one is, whereas a "person" is who one is.



Unquote:

Answer 19

Abraham never spoke of a trinity and neither did Moses nor Jesus. So, where did the trinity come from?

Answer 20

You're looking for answers about Christianity from a Muslim. It's a completely different religion. THEY think Jesus was a prophet...why does THAT confuse you? You're a Christian, that's supposed to mean you follow Christ, THE Christ, The Messiah, also known as Jesus. Christians know Jesus was divine AND in the flesh, Muslims do not know he was divine. So you reasonably cannot expect a Muslim to explain Christianity to you, other than how he views it from afar, or what he's been told about it. Mohammed isn't even in our Bible, not even the Apochrypha. We as Christians don't consider Mohammed as anything. The Holy Spirit is not Gabriel. How does this Muslim guy know what our Holy Spirit is? He doesn't. Because what he said about it is wrong, I've NEVER heard any Christian of any denomination say it's Gabriel. Gabriel is an angel, the Holy Spirit is not an angel. Just read the Bible and pray...you'll know all you wish to know...but not from a Muslim.

Answer 21

I'll give you the answer to your question straight from the Bible. First and foremost ; there is one God and his name is Jehovah (PS 83:18). His first creation is Jesus aka his son. His Holy Spirit is his active force aka his helper (John 14:26). Therefor the Holy Spirit is a force or power not a person.... The trinity is a made up story; you cannot even find the word Trinity in the Bible... I need some one to please tell me where in the Bible I can find the word Trinity.

Answer 22

Your first mistake is trying to understand the doctrine of the Trinity from a Muslim -- who is naturally an anti-trinitarian -- on the basis of what his/her religion says about the nature of God.



The Quran is full of distortions, mischaracterizations, and strawman attacks against historical Christianity (e.g., Jesus never died, Jesus is not God's Son, the Trinity is three Gods including Mary).



Think of it this way: There is one infinite being that is God. And there are three divine persons who are revealed as God and who share this one infinite being. God is one in Being (what), and three in Persons (who).



Just because we can't fully understand something doesn't mean we can't apprehend it. God is not a rock or an mathematical equation. He's much more complex and greater than that. Ironically, thats what makes Christianity more believable.

Answer 23

Daniel 7 is a vision of God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ



13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.



14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.



Why did the Jews want Jesus Christ killed was because being a man he was claiming to be God They were the first eye witness



John 10



22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.



23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.



24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.



25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.



26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.



27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:



28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.



29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.



30 I and my Father are one.



31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.



32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?



33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.



34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?



35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;



36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?



37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.



38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.



How Paul describe Jesus Christ



Philippians 2

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:



6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:



7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:



8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.



9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:



10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;



11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.



The promise of the Holy Spirit

Joel 2



28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:



29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.



30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.



31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.



32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.



The trinity God the Father Son and Holy Spirit



Jesus Christ said He who has not the Son has not seen the Father

Answer 24

What is the origin of the Trinity doctrine?

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

Answer 25

There is nothing wrong with being confused about the Trinity. It's only natural.



The Trinity is impossible. It is utterly and entirely impossible for one to "be with God" and "be God" at the same time, and a human being at that (Jn 1:1,14). And as human beings, we will never understand the impossible. How did Jesus make wine from water? How did God speak a universe into existence? To try to fully understand how the impossible works will only make one confused. Your Muslim friend appears to be trying to make the case that since the Trinity is impossible, it could never have happened. Such is a straw man argument. No one is disagreeing with his premise. However, here's what Jesus said about the impossible.



“... ‘With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible’” (Mt 19:26).



When you can find someone who can explain the impossible, you'll get the answers you seek about the Trinity.

Answer 26

All religions are false and all gods are myths.

Answer 27

Grew up accepting it until I realized it was BS

Answer 28

They are 3 separate fictional characters.

Answer 29

Muslims are always wrong. Please do not believe them, for the only true God is the Christian God.

Answer 30

Now what you Christian supposedly forgotten, is that numerical supremacy does not directly translates into textual reliability in the case of the New testament manuscripts, the New testament Scholar Ehrman states:



"It is true, of course, that the New Testament is abundantly attested in the manuscripts produced through the ages, but most of these manuscripts are many centuries removed from the originals, and none of them perfectly accurate. They all contain mistakes - altogether many thousands of mistakes. It is not an easy task to reconstruct the original words of the New Testament."



With the originals of every New Testament book written in Greek, and the rest of these manuscripts being translations into other languages, we just need to focus on the 5800 Greek manuscripts that contain just parts of the NT, the oldest of these is dated to the early 2nd Century meaning 70 years after the death of Christ.



Since the Original is lost, all we have are simply copies of previous copies and these copies were written by Unknown Scribes, "at times scribes would make intentional changes as they copied. For example, they would correct what they believed to be a spelling error in their source text. Even the best of scribes, however, sometimes made unintended errors."



By looking however at the three most famous additions to the New Testament that were made by the Scribes themselves (the Comma Johanneun-For there are three that bear record in heaven....- the woman caught in adultery, and the long ending of Mark). Non of these additions are found in the oldest Manuscripts, these enough prove the corruption of the NT, if these scribes dared to make such Theological and important later addition, we have no way of trusting that our oldest copies have been copied in exactly the same way from the Original manuscript which is now lost.







This is exactly what Allah has told us in the Qur'an when he stated: "So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah" 2:79



All the Prophets bowed down to Allah........



"O you who believe! Bow down and prostrate yourselves and serve your Lord, and do good that you may prosper."-(HOLY QURAN 22:77).



"And he (Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed..."-(MATTHEW 26:39).



"And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship..."-(JOSHUA 5:14).



"And he (Elijah) cast himself down upon the earth, and put his face between his knees."-(1 KINGS 18:42).



"And they (Moses and Aaron) fell upon their faces..."-(NUMBERS 20:6).



"And Abraham fell on his face..."-(GENESIS 17:3).





Particularly the description of Elijah's (pbuh) prayer, which is called "sujjod" in Islam when a man is closest to God (swt).



Also another classic example of prophet Jesus (pbuh) praying to God (swt), not to himself, because he isn't a God.



Here check these two verses out:



1 Samuel 15:11, 35 - 11"I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following me and has not performed my commandments."



Genesis 6:6 "And the Lord regretted creating mankind and had a heavy heart."



- an all knowing God does not regret anything. An all wise and all powerful God does not get hurt by his creation. He is the comforter not the one who needs comfort.



> Two of many contradictions in your bible. Do you want to see more? can you explain to me how the God of the Bible expected things to happen that didn't come to pass? such as Isaiah 5:1-5; Jer. 3:6-7, 3:19-20?? Can you really call the God of the Bible an all-knowing God? "Why then, when I expected it to bring forth good grapes, Did it bring forth wild grapes?" What kind of an omnipotent God would say such a thing?



Both the Bible and Qur'an clearly say Jesus will be raised to God, not killed and not after death. We also know he will return. How do we know this had God not informed us? So no one was deceived but the disbelievers.



"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God".'" - John 20:17



إذ قال الله يا عيسى إني متوفيك ورافعك إلي ومطهرك من الذين كفروا

3:55. And (remember) when Allâh said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allâh's son] from those who disbelieve....

Answer 31

trinity is from the matrix

Answer 32

One should not get Christian theology from Muslims. They don't understand it at all.



God, from the earliest dealings with mankind, appears not as a single person, but as more than one. In Christian terms, the Father is the source of all, the Son (or Word) is eternally and timelessly begotten of the Father, and the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally from the Father. There is never a time when the Father was without the Son/Word and the Spirit (very similar to Jewish theology, in which YHWH is never without his davar and his ruach -- his word and his spirit, yet Judaism doesn't recognize the davar and the ruach as persons.)



The Father is Father precisely because he has a Son, the Son of the Father. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, and the Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son. All share the same one-and-only divine essence -- there is only one God -- and thus all are God.



Some Muslims will try to tell you that Mohammed the Comforter Jesus promised . It's just wrong to think that, since the Comforter came -- the Holy Spirit -- a mere 10 days after the ascension of our Lord Jesus into heaven -- not 600 years later. So much later, and so disconnected from Christianity that Islam as a religion has no hope of understanding Christianity.



Forgive me.

/Orthodox

Answer 33

The word trinity isn't even found in the Bible. History shows us that both the Jews and the early Christian didn't worship a trinitarian deity. The apostate church adopted this concept which traces back to ancient Babylon where the trinity first began.

Answer 34

The "trinity" is a tradition of man. Jehovah (Yahweh) and Jesus (Yeshua) are two separate entities. The Holy Spirit is Jehovah's active force by which he operates. Gabriel is not the archangel. Michael is the archangel. He became incarnate as Jesus.

Answer 35

Easy. put out your 3 fingers, and ask people how many that is. if they say 3, frown at them and say no this is one. the way people react to you, that's how you should react to 3 = 1.

Answer 36

you're looking for answers about christianity from a muslim... it's a completely different religion... they think jesus was a prophet.........why does that confuse you? you're a christian, that's supposed to mean you follow christ, the christ, the messiah, also known as jesus... christians know jesus was divine and in the flesh, muslims do not know he was divine... so you reasonably cannot expect a muslim to explain christianity to you, other than how he views it from afar, or what he's been told about it... mohammed isn't even in our bible, not even the apochrypha... we as christians don't consider mohammed as anything... the holy spirit is not gabriel... how does this muslim guy know what our holy spirit is? he doesn't... 'cause what he said about it is wrong, i've never heard any christian of any denomination say it's gabriel... gabriel is an angel, the holy spirit is not an angel... just read the bible and pray.........you'll know all you wish to know.........but not from a muslim...

Answer 37

Maybe

Answer 38

Trinity is a theological expression to explain Jesus.

Jesus was Emmanuel, "GOD with us."

GOD is revealed in Genesis as Spirit.

In the Gospels, the Spirit overshadowed Mary.

She conceived & bore Jesus; both human & divine.

When Jesus died, he returned to the Father.

Together they sent the Spirit to dwell with us.

This reveals GOD as 3 persons in one being.

We are little trinities, made in GOD's image:

Body, mind & soul.

Answer 39

The Trinity represents the Divine Qualities of 'The Godhead', and are 'different', but not "separate" aspects of the same God, 'The Supreme'. 'Water' is still 'H2O', whether it is in the form of solid, liquid or vapor. If God is omnipresent, existing as all things at once, I don't think He would find existing in triune form difficult to pull off. Trinities can be found all through the natural world, beyond the core material elements of our world. All observable matter and energy can be found to be fundamentally made "positive, negative, and neutral" subatomic particle charges (protons, electrons and neutrons, respectively). The human condition can be described as a triune of "mind, body, and spirit".

Answer 40

Everything in the Bible is to be received by faith and The Trinity is a bible concept. Same with Jesus being God. The Muslims don't believe the Bible so why would you go to them to find out about the Bible? Odd. You do know that they don't even believe the words of the Apostles right? Islam is a destructive, false religion that is guided by the spirit of the antichrist. Next time you should be more careful who you get your advice from. Then you wouldn't be so confused about everything.

Answer 41

And you thought you were confused BEFORE you ask this question! Crazy isn't it? So many responses- most of them not good. How do I know? Because not everything about the Perfect, Soveriegn, Almighty, Holy, Loving and Just Creator of the Universe revealed in the bible CAN be understood by His Creation (us)- nor does He attempt to explain everything to our satisfaction. We wouldn't get it anyway.



If and when you have children, they will ask many questions. Some you will attempt to answer, some you will not. Instead, you will hear yourself say- 'Because I said so.' This is not meant to be rude or bossy (unless you're agrivated at the time) It is in fact a way of saying- 'I can explain it to you but it would take too long because there are many things you don't understand yet and I just want you to trust me.' This is what God says to His children when we ask 'why?' or 'when?' or 'how?' But He has revealed all we Need to know about Himself, Jesus, His Holy Spirit in the bible.

Answer 42

A family is about as holy a trinity as any I know. If you want to learn more about it the Urantia Book is about the best I have come across.

Answer 43

Provide the following verse to your friend: John 14:8-10.



Philip said to him, “Master, show us the Father,* and that will be enough for us.”



Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you for so long a time and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?



Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on my own. The Father who dwells in me is doing his works.



The Holy Spirit is the comforter that dwells within us: John 14:16.



Here we learn in a perfectly clear manner the bond of unity within the Trinity.



Peace'

Answer 44

Confused? Of course you are confused you're listening to Muslims. I would suggest you read the Bible for yourself and let God give you wisdom.

Answer 45

The Coptic Church of Egypt explains the Trinity.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=coptic+priest+explains+the+trinity

Answer 46

In spite of what the Encyclopedia Britannica says you have to go by what the Bible says. The Trinity and the Divinity of Christ are Biblical Doctrines founded in the church. Muslims do not understand God so they are the wrong source to go to as are Jehovah Witnesses. Believe his word by faith and you cannot go wrong.



https://youtu.be/0QmLQoZ1Wf4

Answer 47

Many Christian denominations teach that God is a Trinity. However, note what the Encyclopædia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.”



In fact, the God of the Bible is never described as being part of a Trinity. Note these Bible passages:



“Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—Deuteronomy 6:4.

“You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”—Psalm 83:18.

“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”—John 17:3.

“God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20.

Why do most Christian denominations say that God is a Trinity?

Answer 48

Don't let yourself deceived by muslims. Their religion is a false one

Answer 49

The Trinity is a second century AD invention that is not supported by the original New Testament texts.



In the first gospel written, Mark, Jesus being tested in the wilderness, and the scene in Gethsemane demonstrate Mark's Christology was far removed from his status as homoousios, 'being of the same nature' with God. Although adopted as the Son of God, a phrase used to indicate a messiah, Jesus' nature was human; otherwise his testings would have been superfluous.



Even Matthew thought of God and Jesus as separate. For example "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man (Jesus) will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven".



Luke 12:10 and Mark 3:29, the greatest crime in Christianity is blaspheming the Holy spirit, but speak a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven. Jesus and the Holy spirit are two different entities.



Many people point to passages such as John 1:1, but John is talking about the Logos. In Hellenistic Judaism, the logos was the first born of the Jewish god, and responsible for the creation. It was the highest of intermediary beings between a perfect god and the material world. It is not the Jewish god, but a representation of him, as described in Hebrews 1:1-3. Jesus is the personification of the logos, not the Jewish god. Unfortunately the end of John 1:1 in it's original Greek is ambiguous, as it can refer to either 'God' or godlike.



You will get the Genesis 1:1 crowd talking about elohim being plural, therefore it MUST be talking about the Trinity, but that does not hold up. The term is also used for Moses in Exodus 7:1.



The first clear formulation of the Trinity was written by Tertullian at the start of the third century AD. The problematical logical implications were profound, causing problems for the evolving church from that time on. The absence of these problems prior to Tertullian tells us the Trinity is probably a late second century AD invention.



There are passages in the New Testament where the 3 are mentioned together but there is no clear evidence they were talking about the concept of the trinity. In fact, The Gospel according to the Hebrews written early in the second century AD specifically refers to the 3 as a family outing, with the holy spirit being the mum of Jesus.



Of course you will find some people quoting the Comma Johanneum, 1 John 5:7, as an argument for the Trinity, but that is a later addition, probably mid 4th century AD. Matthew 28:19 is also an interpolation that reflects the later doctrinal developments, according to the fourth century chronicler, Eusebius (Demonstratio Evangelica, book 3), earlier versions had 'baptize in my name', with no mention of the Trinity.

Answer 50

stop listening to muslims. they do not believe the truth. god is 3 individual spirits as one with each other. they're in total agreement with each other.



each spirit as a seperate work they do

Answer 51

ignore muslims who are in denial of the TRinity...they are wrong...islam is a cult with a false moon god...GOD IS JESUS AND YES HE REMAINS THREE IN ONE TILL HE MARRIES HIS CHURCH...ONE GOD IN 3 FORMS....KEEP PRAYING TO JESUS DAILY

Answer 52

It is your realization as father, as spirit and as son.

Answer 53

"They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them" (Koran)

Answer 54

Why don't you just ask God to explain it to you? I'm sure He will answer and find a way to make you understand.



Personal revelation from God always trumps word debates with humans.



There's a reason your friend is still a Muslim. He doesn't believe in what Jesus said, he believes what Muhammad said. Islam teach that every other religion in the world is corrupted, only Islam is right.



If the holy spirit is Gabriel. Then your friend is implying that millions of Christians in the world are possessed by the angel Gabriel? How can Gabriel still be an angel that follow God if he possess people? How can angels be in many places at one time? Isn't that the ability that God has and not angels? Aren't angels just messengers of God, they don't order human beings around? Isn't' God the one that will give orders while the angel just does them?





Then explain how spirit filled Christians can channel spiritual power to create miracles such as raising the dead ? Have you heard of any angel that has the power to raise the dead? Doesn't that decision whom to bring back to life only lie with God? Or is it now implying God made human beings to have supernatural powers? If that were true, why can't everyone do all the miracles? Why is miracles only every coming from spirit filled people? People like Moses, Like Elijah?



And if the holy spirit is Gabriel, why does he need to inhabit people to carry out miracles? He's perfectly capable of doing awesome things when God commands him to do so, why then does he need to work through human beings?



Muslims does not believe humans were made to have a relationship with God. They don't see themselves as able to be part of family of God. They do not know why God made humans, it is a secret which shall be revealed in the end of the world according to Islam They only hope they do enough "good" in God's eyes & hope whatever they accumulated is enough to get God to let them into heaven. Their idea of heaven is to be earned from God, not a gift given by God.



Islam is a contrast to Christianity. There are plenty of people who keep trying to teach that Islam and Christianity is similar. It is NOT SIMILAR AT ALL.



Christianity teaches guaranteed salvation for spirit filled believers. The reason the holy spirit (God) can inhabit authentic believers is because they are cleaned by the blood of Christ (the payment of Sin has been made by His spilled blood). God is Holy, He cannot mix with unholy. So to have God come be with you, means you are made holy that you can now be joined to Him (in spirit which is the eternal part of a human being).



Christianity teach that (since Jesus had come - ie. New testament era) abiding by laws ( like Jews and Muslims do) will never make you good enough for God to accept you into heaven. The reason is because He said life is only through Jesus Christ and no other way. I am sure people who died before Jesus was born is in God's mercy to get to heaven by works (law) because that was all they had back then that came from God. Just like I am sure Adam and Noah, and Abraham, etc are in heaven but they are born before Moses law was given.



And I'm very sure Adam, Noah, Abraham, etc did not know Moses law. Because Moses had to teach it to people of his time and command them to teach them to future generations. Therefore we shouldn't argue what is the correct theology to follow to come to God, we should ask God to show us which is the right way to follow? God had already said there is many many many lies in this world that tries to prevent people from finding the truth.



God is always faithful. If you have a heart for Him, and you seek Him, then be assured God will get it one way or another into your head on what He's requirement is. Not the world requirement but HIS REQUIREMENT. There are lies found in Christianity sects too. God never promised that the way to truth will be simple to spot. He also said that there will be Satan infiltrated churches. So the only sure way to find the truth is to ask God to teach you the truth, so you can reject the lies as they come.



Jesus cannot be just any other prophet. When the old testament was still valid, prophets were always Jews and sent to the Jews, never to non Jews. There have been so many prophets in the past, that were always directed at the Jews in order to tell them to go back to God. These prophet (after Moses) were always appearing at a time when the people of God went "a whoring" after false Gods. Then when John was born, his job was to tell Jews to prepare their hearts for the Messiah. Then Jesus came and tell the Jews what to do. The Jews always knew the Messiah will come to make a change to things. The Jews were given the first privilege to be the first to choose to follow God's plan. Jesus was not allowed to go help non Jews because He cannot take away their right of the Jews to be the 1st to receive His ministry (except for the non Jew woman who talked about even dogs eat the crumbs from under the master's table).



It was only the apostles that were told to go preach to the gentiles. Gentiles got the "left-overs". God said it was because some original branches were unfit to stay in the vine (Jesus) did He then cut them off , and then graft in foreign branches of other plants (gentiles). But gentiles shouldn't be obnoxious about it, because He is just as easily able to cut off foreign branches and put back the original branches.



Therefore if the old way of getting salvation (by observing laws) is still the norm, how can Muhammad be a prophet of God? He is not of the the 12 tribes of Israel. God has promised Israel that the Messiah will be born of the line of King David. God promised that in the last days His Spirit will be poured out all over the earth - this will be accompanied by people receiving the ability to see visions, speak prophecies, dream dreams. Islam teaches that there will be no more prophets after Muhammad, yet this is totally contradicting what God said about what He will do for people in the last days.



Therefore since Muhammad was born 600 years after Jesus's crucifixion, he cannot be the only authentic prophet of God that comes after Jesus in the list of recognized prophets of God. There were many many prophets of God in between Jesus and Muhammad in that 600 years. And there still are prophetic people being born even in modern times, for the last days have begun since Pentecost.





The holy spirit of God is given to authentic believers to guide them, to teach them, to empower them, to encourage them.



Without God, we are nothing. We are complete failures by ourselves in the eyes of God.



That is why He sent Jesus. If we are not failures in the eyes of God, He wouldn't have put Himself through such torment of being scorned, hated, jeered at, physically abused, verbally abused, killed, tortured, slandered, called names. And because God gave human beings the original authority over Earth, that's why He must come in human form, in order to qualify in taking back the authority on Earth that Satan had stolen from Adam and Eve.



We are so precious to Him that He believed we are worth saving. He did not save angels. We all know where the rebellious angels are going - all will only end up in hell at the appropriate time. It is only humans that are so precious to God that He devised a way to keep us out of hell, a way to purge sin out of ourselves so that we can be reconciled with Him. However He cannot take away our freewill that He had devised into human beings at the beginning of the world. So we all must choose for ourselves - Follow God (heaven) or don't follow God (hell). If we dont' follow God, we by default follow Satan for the is no other option. Satan's direction is to hell, do we really want to follow him there?





Humans are more beloved by God than angels. That is one of the reasons why Satan is so jealous and hate human beings so much. He knows what will hurt God the most - to destroy every single human being he can.

Answer 55

NOT AT ALL...........

Answer 56

Watch this to the end. It is humorous and informative at the same time.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYMKQKSV0bY

Answer 57

Talk to God not the Muslim. The Muslim is false and lead you astray.

Answer 58

It is not hard: God (Yahweh Elohim Jehovah El Shaddi Abba), The Father and Creator. Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, The Son of God, and The Holy Spirit. God runs, writes, decides and dictates if needed the entire show, in this case, All of Creation and The Universe He is a King. He is God. He created us and loves us. Lord Christ Jesus, or Lord Jesus Christ, he is beside him ruling Heaven, Earth, Life, & Death, he forgives us, leads us, helps us, takes over emergencies, & is like a defense attorney for his true believers, so we can be forgiven, he also heads The Angels with Arch Angel Micheal in Revelation or soon. The Holy Spirit is there to awaken, guide, consult, & manage disciples, preachers, & believers. He is there for help, grief, & occasionally a miracle or an answered prayer. He also manages & supervises The Angels as their lead manager or C.O.O. of Heaven, a brother, Best friend, Savior, King, Christ, Messiah, Warrior, future husband to True, obident, & faithful believers.

Answer 59

Not at all my friend. Paul exhorts us to “grieve not the holy Spirit of God, . . . even as God for Christ’s sake has forgiven you” (Ephesians 4:30, 32). And “be filled with the Spirit; . . . Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Ephesians 5:18, 20). No confusion there my friend.

Answer 60

Mistake number one was listening to Muslims.

Listen to the Bible it is God's word. The Trinity is biblical doctrine and Jesus is Lord. 2 things that all cults and false religions believe against? that Jesus Is God and the Trinity is biblical. Don't be in the blind following the blind.

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Answer 61

The Trinity is a Biblical concept. Don't be confused by Muslims and how in the world do people think the Encyclopedia Britannica is going to be an accurate source for Bible Doctrine I have no idea. An encyclopedia is going to give many different opinions and not necessarily be guided by the Holy Spirit. Is just the Jehovah Witness way of trying to distort what the Bible actually teaches as usual.

Listen to the Holy Spirit rather than man.

Answer 62

Most people have the wrong idea about the nature of God, all you need to know is that Jesus is God almighty but depending from what authority He is operating at, He is the Father/the Son and the holy spirit.

From what has been revealed to us, it is ok to say that God is eternal attributes found in His spirit and expressed as His word.



The idea that God is one (quantity) is a lie from satan. The oneness of God has nothing to do with quantification or unit of measure. Thou shall not limit God with thy measurements. One as a unit of measure implies the subject MUST have a form (definite shape & size). It also implies that the subject MUST be material with clear boundaries so that we can separate/identify one from the next. If your God is in this box, He can not be omnipresent- means he only operates at one point at a time.



The oneness of God is because He is the beginning and the end and everything that exists or will ever exist, seen or unseen is within Him (beginning and end). If all our existence was in a room (everything that we ever need is within this room), we can only be talking of ROOM not any other because that's all we know of.

Answer 63

No not at all. Their is one God our Heavenly Father.

Answer 64

He was correct. What's your problem?

Answer 65

Holy trinity has no scriptural basis.