Question:
Question for atheists: Help me reject/respond to this statement intelligently for class.?
gradco2004
2007-11-12 21:39:31 UTC
I don't agree with my teacher about his point below. How do I defend myself intelligently?:

An Atheist, purely defined, believes in nothing...no God, no standard, moral or rule that anything or anyone is an example above and beyond or below others. An atheist would not define oneself because that implies a category that can be manipulated. To believe in nothing or reject everything of any value...means proclamation of nothing.

So, once you name yourself an Atheist and say "I don't believe in God" you have just defeated the very definition of what it means to be an Atheist.
27 answers:
Orinoco
2007-11-12 21:49:15 UTC
ATHEIST comes from the greek



"A-" meaning without



and "THEOS" meaning god



hence it means "without a god"



This is not to say that an Atheist has no standard, moral or rule. Many atheists believe in a personal code of ethics that is as strict as or even stricter than the usual codes seen in the Christian church.



Many Buddhists are atheists, as has been stated previously. Wiki states that some schools of Hindu thought are atheistic (although I do not personally know of any).



Most atheists deny the existance of God or gods. They believe that the universe came into existance in some other way than being created - often subscribing to Big Bang theory etc.



Of antiquity, Epicurus and Lucretius were atheists. Both of these men had personal codes of conduct as well as following Roman law. Epicurus went so far as to establish his own brand of philosophy now called Epicureanism.



David Hume, a prominent philosopher of the 18th century was careful to hide his atheist views to avoid religious persecution. He was one of the founders of a viewpoint called Utilitarianism.



Friedrich Nietzsche was a philosopher of the 19th century. He too was an atheist - responsible for the statement "God is dead." - and again a man who has developed complex ideas of standards and behaviour.



20th century philosopher Bertrand Russell says "On the other hand, if I am to convey the right impression to the ordinary man in the street I think that I ought to say that I am an Atheist, because, when I say that I cannot prove that there is not a God, I ought to add equally that I cannot prove that there are not the Homeric gods."



He too is an atheist. He has written many books of philosophy and certainly could not be considered to be a man who "believes in nothing".



NIHILISM

You will find many comments in your answers here suggesting that your teacher has defined and is criticising Nihilism. Many people would say that Nietzsche is a Nihilist (although wikipedia states that "Nietzsche could be accurately categorized as a nihilist in the descriptive sense, he never advocated nihilism as a practical mode of living and was typically quite critical of nihilism as he construed it." and "While this may appear to imply his allegiance to the nihilist viewpoint, it would be more accurate to say that Nietzsche saw the coming of nihilism as valuable in the long term. According to Nietzsche, it is only once nihilism is overcome that a culture can have a true foundation upon which to thrive. He wished to hasten its coming only so that he could also hasten its ultimate departure").



My understanding of Nihilism is that it essentially believes that there is and was no creator-god, that our BEING is without purpose and therefore there can be no true morality - no true right or wrong.



It doesn't stop you from having a morality, but would state that your morality might not be as right as you think it is ... or as important as you think it is.



Quite a few branches of Hinduism are nihilistic.
allure45connie
2007-11-12 22:03:36 UTC
" purely defined " Something is either defined corectly , or not . In this case NOT .

Atheist believe in standards . An atheist expects to be treated fairly in business dealings and hopefully trys to adhere to those same standards .

Atheists belive in morals . But the concept of morals is not based on a religious decree . But rather on how much pain or pleasure , help or hinderence , and so on their acts produce in this world . Of course atheists consider some people to be more moral ( nicer , more intelligent , etc. ) than others . Otherwise how would we select car repair places , butcher shops , friends , etc.

To "believe in nothing" is just a stupid statement . Sounds like a fundamentalist Sunday School teacher with no real education . We have of course already covered "reject everything of any value" , unless you define beliefe in a god(s) as the ONLY thing of any value .

If this teacher is in a public school I would complain to the Principle , The PTA , The School Board , and the ACLU .

The last statement "... once you name yourself an atheist..." is just bizarre and childish . "just defeated" ??? No , It IS the definition of atheist . The only definition ! Nothing more . Nothing less .
JavaJoe
2007-11-12 22:40:55 UTC
Well, I think your prof needs some schoolin because what he's described is a nihilist or "one that believes in nothing". Nihilists basically don't care about anything including themselves.



An atheist simply doesn't believe in gawd any gawd. We actually believe in a lot of things and can be spiritual people. Look at the buddhists, some sects of buddhism are atheistic so is he saying that buddhists believe in nothing?



He's taking the idea that morals and standards come from some deity and that a person that doesn't believe in that deity can't follow those rules. This is of course false. Most atheists that I know are good, honest and moral people. We live by the golden rule, "treat others as you would like to be treated". In other words treat others right and with respect and you'll get that in return. By the same token treat me wrong and I will return it in kind.
damnyankeega
2007-11-12 22:09:45 UTC
I'd counter with what I call the "Pat Tillman" argument.



Pat Tillman was an atheist. Your teacher is then implying that Pat Tillman did not believe in anything greater than himself? If that is the case, why did he enlist to fight the Jihadis in Afghanistan?



If he didn't believe in a higher standard, a higher purpose or something outside of himself, he would not have enlisted to fight for a cause that did not directly benefit him. He could have easily remained a well paid professional athlete.



The other posters also have some great responses. Read them and learn from them.
Y!A-FOOL
2007-11-12 21:53:48 UTC
He seems to be confusing an atheistic position with a nihilistic one.

All the word atheist means is "No Gods". It does not mean anything else.



People can disbelieve in Gods and still be:

Humanist

Secularist

Nihilist

Existentialist

Taoist

Buddhist

or one of many other "ists" or combination of "ists."



The "ism that has been added make being a nonbeliever sound like another belief system but that is a very misleading idea.



I suggest you ask if he isn't confusing a lack of belief in God with Nihilism.

Then ask if he believes the Deists,Taoists and Buddhists are Nihilists since they do not believe in Gods that are persons either.
tentofield
2007-11-12 21:48:34 UTC
You are wrong. An atheist does not believe in gods. That's it. It comes from Greek - "theos" meaning "god" together with the prefix "a-" meaning "no, not". It means "no god".



Atheists can and do believe in many things. Atheists are ethical and moral people. They don't need the threat of heaven and hell to behave, they treat other human beings as they wish to be treated themselves.



Your definition is not that of an atheist but that of a nihilist. the two are entirely different.
?
2016-05-23 02:12:13 UTC
Some people think that the percentage is too small. But, you can just have ribs removed -- then it'll work out whether you're part of the 1%, or not.. There was a rumor a while back, that Marilyn Manson had his bottom two ribs removed for exactly that purpose. (Not true, by the way.)
2007-11-12 21:53:09 UTC
You tell him that he needs to look at the dictionary to find the true meaning of the word Atheist. Atheist doesn't mean "believes in nothing", it means "lack of belief in any deity". That is all it means.



You explain what you do believe in. That you believe in the past, the present and the future. That you believe in learning from all three so that you don't repeat mistakes made by yourself and others. That you believe in love, hatred, joy, and sorrow. That you believe in other people and yourself. That you believe in justice and fairness. That you believe in education and knowledge. That you believe in tolerance and acceptance of others. And that you don't need a god to believe in any of those or you wouldn't believe in them in the first place.



What it means to be Atheist is to free yourself from false restraints that allow you to hate others for who they fundamentally are.



What you tell your teacher is that you believe in plenty of things, you just don't believe in a god and you feel no need for the gods existance.



In those words you will show him that he is wrong and you will likely embarass the crap out of him in front of the class in the process.
222 Sexy
2007-11-12 21:49:07 UTC
Your teacher has the wrong definition of atheist, which would cause me to seriously question his credentials. Look up the definition in Websters: an atheist doesn't believe in the existence of a deity. There is no stipulation of non-belief in morals, rules, etc.



Frankly, I think your teacher needs to go back to school!
2007-11-12 21:43:52 UTC
The question in based on a false premise.



Atheists believe in something: the absence of a supreme being.



Most atheists believe in:



Free will

Moral standards

Personal freedom

Fairness and equity for all

Murder another human being is wrong

The Golden Rule



Atheists do not reject belief in all things.
Judo Chop
2007-11-12 21:49:28 UTC
Your teacher is simply ill informed... hardly surprising.



Essentially, Atheists believe that there is no evidence to support belief in the supernatural and deities.



To support your argument, all you need to do is state that because you can touch, taste, smell, see, and hear your own existence, there is evidence to suggest that you exist. There is however, no impirical evidence to suggest that any deity exists. With that reasoning, it is scientifically logical that belief in a power greater than ones self is, in fact, illogical.



There is doctrine, theology, and superstition, but no evidence to suggest that any of it is any more that historical conjecture that has continued because of a cultural fear of mortality and what happens once you are dead.
?
2007-11-12 21:44:58 UTC
Morality is not a monopoly of religious belief. Atheists have morals and moral codes that do not originate with religion. Atheists do not reject everything of value, they simply say that nothing has any value except what we, as human beings, give to it. WE create the value of anything. The value isn't IN the thing automatically. God didn't give value to things. MAN gives value and meaning to his life, not religious moral codes. Besides, your "purely defined" definition of atheism is about as accurate as napalm bombs.
Pathofreason.com
2007-11-12 21:43:21 UTC
Your definition of an Atheist is wrong.



"believes in nothing" That is wrong. I believe the Patriots are going to win the Superbowl. That is a belief in something.



Ask your teacher if he got his degree at Oral Roberts university because he sounds like a moron.
2007-11-12 21:44:39 UTC
Your Teacher sounds like a Fundie who wants to get his sick views across. When you respond, just tell him to look up the definition of Atheist in the dictionary. At least he will be able to start the learning process.
2007-11-12 21:43:58 UTC
Your teacher is confusing nihilism for atheism. Atheism is the disbelief in any god. Period. You might mention that some Buddhists are atheists. You might also point out that Communists certainly do believe in something and they are atheists.
2007-11-12 21:42:33 UTC
Does the following answer any part of your question?



I work for a company of about 30,000 employees that has programs to promote diversity, offers benefits to domestic partners and is generally considered to be a progressive employer. During a business meeting with a group of about 10 employees we strayed from our agenda and somehow moved to the subject of church. This prompted the person who was hosting the meeting (the highest ranking employee in the room) to spend the next twenty minutes telling us about his experiences with the holy spirit. I sat quietly and listened for a while, just like the rest of the attendees, and then excused myself to get a cup of coffee.



Afterward, I wondered what would have happened if I were to spend twenty minutes in a business meeting talking about how liberating it is to be an atheist. I'd tell my co-workers how I don't need to try to explain why virtually every scientist is wrong about the age of the earth and evolution, and how I don't have to dismiss religious contradictions as sacred mysteries. I'd implore them to be a part of the revolution, like the people in Galileo's day who, like him, believed that the Earth revolved around the sun, even after the church forced him to publicly deny it. If they could only abandon their religious superstitions things would start to make a lot of sense and finally stand up to serious scrutiny. Of course, if I were to do this, I knew what the result would be. I would find myself sitting in front of my supervisor's desk being reprimanded.



As a barometer of tolerance toward atheism in the work place, imagine how the future of your career would be affected if your supervisor thought you were an atheist. What if your supervisor happened to be a fundamentalist Christian? More than likely, he would feel you couldn't be trusted.



Outside of work the experience is much the same. Imagine going door to door selling atheism like a Jehovah's Witness. "Good afternoon, sir!" (Big smile and a copy of Thus Spoke Zarathustra in hand.) "I have an urgent message for you about how to take complete control of your life. There are no ceremonies or rituals, no donations to pay, all you have to do is stop believing. There is no God. Your life is not eternal; every minute you squander is irrevocably lost. Quit preparing for the afterlife and start making the most of your every waking hour. Go! Run! Your life is slipping away!" What sort of reaction do you think you would receive? I think it would be reasonable to assume that many of the reactions, perhaps even a majority, would be characterized as "unchristian."



I discovered recently that my two-year-old daughter's day care provider has been teaching her about Jesus. Granted, knowledge of religion is not a bad thing, but this still creates a dilemma for me. If I voice my objections to the day care provider could the quality of my daughter's care be affected? What would the public reaction be if it was discovered that a daycare was selling children atheism?



When I moved into a new neighborhood one of my new neighbors asked me if I had found a church yet. I found myself hesitating. Should I answer honestly and risk alienating them or should I just be vague?



Once I confided in a new friend by telling him, "I'm not religious," and he replied, "Well at least you're not an atheist."

Puzzled, I asked, "What's the difference?"

"Atheists have no morals," he said.



Similarly, I had a fundamentalist friend who would tell me about how his girl-friend was possessed by a demon. From the things he had told me, it was clear that she was emotionally disturbed and having a boy-friend who thought she was possessed probably wasn't helping. I suggested that she should see a psychiatrist, but he insisted there was a demon. "I know a lot about demons," he assured me. Over the course of our two year friendship, I had endured hours of listening to him talk about the glory of God and how if homosexuals would have read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah they would have known God was going to punish them with AIDS or something similar. I would disagree with him, but his arguments always began with, "It says in the Bible..." so reason was ineffective. We managed to maintain a friendship, but I knew that if I ever told him I was an atheist, that friendship would end. My beliefs, unlike his, do not exclude anyone.



Atheists are a diffuse, often misunderstood group and I think the examples I've listed clearly illustrate the double standard this misunderstanding creates. Atheism is not a popular cause and atheist rights is an issue that garners little sympathy. Although statistics indicate 10-15% of Americans are atheists, politicians won't dare even say the word. The majority of atheists are intelligent, discerning individuals who believe generosity is worth while for its own sake and doesn't need to be enforced by super natural beings.
matte stone
2007-11-12 21:51:02 UTC
My sources have informed me that the closest way we as humans can even begin to fathom "god" is to try to imagine a nothingness. So in a strange way, misunderstood probably, the statement that says "believes in nothing" makes sense to me in the case that you understand nothing.
2007-11-12 21:42:56 UTC
Tell your teacher that describes a nihilist, not an atheist (and I sure hope this isn't a public school classroom!)
2007-11-12 21:42:21 UTC
okay it clearly doesnt make any sense. just tell him that if he doesnt like our beliefs(lack thereof really) that its too bad. that its the U.S. and we have the right to believe(or in this case not to) in whatever we want.



Honestly, I cant really help you with this. But if he harasses you about religion and whatnot, you can always remind him of the seperation of church and state...
Green
2007-11-12 21:42:26 UTC
Atheists can believe in whatever they want other than gods..
Druid
2007-11-12 21:47:56 UTC
>I would drop the class. This "point" is pure bull***. Hopefully that is the response he is looking for...if not, switch to a nice course in Basket Weaving to pick up the credit.<
AEH101
2007-11-12 21:46:56 UTC
An atheist does not believe in deities or unseen supernatural forces. That is it.
Betty Boop Oop A Doop Atheist
2007-11-12 21:45:51 UTC
You are so full of crap. Atheist are smart enough that they dont bealive in your big guy in the sky. You wrap your self so tightly in that cocoon of ignorance you don't know what Atheist think.
Small Victories
2007-11-12 21:45:07 UTC
This is ridiculous and very untrue.

I am me and I am unique.

I do not fall in to any category except the unique person category.
2007-11-12 21:53:52 UTC
Ya cause they tell people to study and don't study them selves. They love grammer thow......"""they love it!!!!!!....................................................................Cause it's hard for them to understand i guessse? And they like the word utterly stupid and they love the spagetti monster huu.
Near of DN
2007-11-12 21:43:23 UTC
Tell your teacher that Atheists don't even believe in their self, but only to money.
Orita
2007-11-12 21:42:54 UTC
sorry kiddo your teacher sounds pretty on to it



God bless


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