Question:
Why do most church's today believe in the 7 year tribulation.?
WHEN GOD SAID IT, HE MEANT IT
2008-03-30 11:37:26 UTC
This is hard to tell people that they are being tricked. There is no 2nd chance after Jesus comes. Follow what the bible says not what some guy says on t.v. If it's in the bible believe it if its not don't. I guess this is your chance to prove to me there is a 7yr trib. when 2 peter 3:10 says when Jesus comes the whole world is on fire so how is any one left behind....hhmm?
If you really don't know just say don't anything . I know my bible so i guess you will try to go to DANIEL. but i won't say where , they get there one verse that is decieving millions. look forward to your comments. GOD BLESS
Eleven answers:
Dunamis
2008-03-30 11:40:26 UTC
I hope you didn't cut your legs off when you implied not going to the book of "Daniel.": Daniel's prophecy gives the specific number of years before Messiah was to come. Messiah came right on schedule, but there were seven missing years. The "seven year tribulation" is based on those missing years.



The problem is, most "Christians" don't understand the symbolism of the Bible! This is the problem with all "pre-trib" rapture believers.



They believe that after the tribulation, there will be a thousand year kingdom. NOT!



A thousand in the Bible is the number for eternity. Ten being the number of completion (whenever you reach "ten" in counting, you begin again), and three being the number of divine perfection. So 10 times 10 times 10 is 1,000!



We are in the millennium, and have been since the resurrection.



Proof? Psalm 50:10 says, "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills." Now, do you believe that God only owns the cattle on a thousand hills? Who owns the rest? Obviously, God owns them all and since there are more than a thousand "hills," we see that "thousand" is symbolic for "all."



"Seven" is three plus four. Three is the number of divine perfection, four is the number for creation (i.e., Isaiah 11:12 says, "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth"). Therefore, seven is God at work in His creation, thus, the "7" years. They are the years that God will work in creation, before the end comes. They are not seven literal years.



If one does not understand the symbolism of the Bible my friend, the Bible is just a confusing book, and that's why so many self-proclaimed Christians make such little sense. They don't understand the very Book they base their faith on.



But when God opens one's mind to understanding it, it all makes sense, but again, you will find very few on this site that understand it, self-proclaimed "Christians" included.
nicolette
2016-05-29 06:42:49 UTC
From reading of the coming events in the Bible I believe it will happen in the order as you state in your question. Some people believe that there will be just the one event when Jesus comes. However, the bible tells us that Jesus will return 'for His own' and the 'dead in Christ will rise first' and then others will 'meet Him in the air'. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 17 That is what we refer to as the rapture. The Second Coming is described in a different way when Jesus will be seen by all people all over the world. Revelation 1:17 There will be no secret in that event. After that event the tribulation will begin. Unless you read these bible accounts for yourself it will be difficult for you to form your own beliefs on how this will happen. You could also check out these verses. Matthew 24:27, 30 and 31. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Revelation 19:11-16. The most important thing to remember is that Christians believe that it is the sacrifice of Jesus (His dying in our place to take our punishment) which will save us. The order is of less importance than the fact that He WILL return (some of us will be correct on this issue, others incorrect) and those who have accepted Him as Saviour WILL be saved.
KAL
2008-03-30 11:58:21 UTC
I'm not sure what you're asking here. Believing in the seven-year tribulation is not inconsistent with Jesus coming at the end of the world. Perhaps you meant to suggest that believing in a "pre-tribulation rapture" is inconsistent with 2 Peter 3:10...if so, then you have a point. I would point out that 2 Peter doesn't say "2nd coming", it just says "the day of the coming of the Lord"...thus, it isn't necessarily saying that Jesus couldn't rescue his followers before this final day!



I think Revelation makes it very clear that there will be a seven-year tribulation period leading up to the final battle and the end of the world as we know it. However, the concept of a rapture, and most specifically, a pre-tribulation rapture where Jesus returns for his followers and leaves everyone else behind is pure speculation. I have heard it backed up with a variety of verses (as you say, in Daniel and elsewhere), but personally, I think that is an incredibly dangerous speculation. Perhaps it IS true...but you better be right or you are going to wake up one day with the mark because you didn't think you'd be around to see it happen!



Personally, I think the pre-trib rapture theory is so popular because Revelation is especially scary for people that think name-calling and teasing is "persecution". When they read about Christians being tortured and killed during the tribulation, they want to believe that God wouldn't allow that to happen to them, the people he loves. Of course, they are conveniently forgetting that he allowed his own son to be tortured and executed in his name...all but one of his son's original followers suffered the same fate...and then there is Job and so many other faithful followers of God in the bible and since that time that suffered and sometimes even died for their faith. I would suspect that this fear (and the resulting desire to believe in a pre-trib rapture) is much more common among people who can't conceive of what it means to truly suffer for your faith...unless deceived by "missionaries", I'd imagine that those who are suffering and dying today, are far less likely to need the security and hope offered by the pre-trib rapture theory.
Dave
2008-03-30 12:01:29 UTC
Not Daniel, Revelations, around 14 or so (actually most of the book). Your verse doesn't say anything about immediately, or when any of this will happen, just that it will. Rev. details out how the angel will tell Jesus it's time to reap the harvest of souls, the 7 yrs will happen, armageddon will happen, then the earth burns up, the heavens roll up like a scroll, and a new heavens and new earth are formed.



You mention 1 verse decieving millions, yet you only provide one verse. I've provided a big chunk of Rev.
anonymous
2008-03-30 11:56:22 UTC
In Jesus' prophecies for the last generation He said there would be a period called the "tribulation" (Math.24: 9) immediately before His return. This 7 year period is literally the last 7 years in human history as man knows it.



Also referring to this 7 year period, Daniel shows that it will commence when "the prince (antichrist) who is to come" (Dan.9: 26) "will make a firm covenant with the many for 1 week". (Dan. 9: 27). In the context of his writing, 1 "week" repre- sents a period of, not 7 "days", but 7 years.



"Making a covenant with the many" is confirmed by other scriptures as meaning that a treaty or contract of sorts will be negotiated in the last days to quell the hostilities between Israel & her neigh- boring Arab countries in their quest for Jerusalem. (Zech.14:1). The signing of this 7 year Mideast peace plan literally begins the final 7 year tribulation.



Today, the Mideast Peace problem is seen almost daily in the headline news with world leaders unsuccessfully brainstorming to solve the crisis there. Prophetically, the stage is set now for antichrist to step in & finalize a 7 year plan of peace for the Mideast.



This tribulation period is clearly laid out starting from Daniel 11:21 through the rest of chapters 11 & 12 of Daniel. Also, the book of Revelation lays out this final tribulation period starting in chapter 6:1 through chapter 20:3.
anonymous
2015-02-23 17:20:22 UTC
Harpazo = Rapture



END-TIME BIBLE PROPHECY



The Messiah Lord Jesus said BIRTH PANGS would signal the time of the end (Matthew 24:8). There are NINE birth pangs, they are all PRE-TRIBULATIONAL and the 1st three already occurred.



The first birth pang was worldwide conflict coupled with famines and earthquakes (Matthew 24:7-8). Worldwide conflict was fulfilled in 1914-1918, major famines happened in 1918-1921 and most of the world’s major earthquakes began to occur since 1900.



The second birth pang was the restoration of a Jewish State (Ezekiel 20:33-38; Ezekiel 22:17-22; Ezekiel 36:22-24; Zephaniah 2:1-2). This was fulfilled in 1948.



The third birth pang was Jewish control of the Old City of Jerusalem (Revelation 11:1-2). For the third Jewish Temple (Tribulation Temple) to be rebuilt, Jerusalem needs to be under Jewish control and this was accomplished in the Six Day War in 1967.



The fourth birth pang will be the Ezekiel 38 war. Russia, allied states of Iran, Ethiopia, Somalia, Germany and Armenia will invade Israel. God will miraculously destroy the invading army by earthquake, civil war among the invading soldiers, pestilence, blood, flood, hailstones, fire and brimstone. This will bring a revival in Israel where many Jews will turn to the Lord, and Israel will spend 7 years and 7 months burying the bodies and burning for fuel the military equipment left behind (Ezekiel 39:9-16).



The 5th birth pang will be the development of a one world government (Daniel 7:23-24).



The 6th birth pang will be the splitting of the one world government into 10 kingdoms and this Ten Kingdom Stage will continue until mid-Tribulation (Daniel 7:24).



The 7th birth pang will be the revelation of the Antichrist (II Thessalonians 2:1-3; Daniel 7:24).



The 8th birth pang will be a period of peace and false security that will be shattered by the Tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:1-3).



The 9th and final birth pang before the Tribulation is the signing of the 7-year covenant between Israel and the Antichrist. THIS EVENT IS WHAT BEGINS THE (7-year) TRIBULATION - NOT THE RAPTURE!



The Rapture of the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18) is also a pre-tribulational event (Luke 21:34-37; 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10; Revelation 3:10; Revelation 19:6-8). The fact that the Church is not mentioned in any of the Tribulation Scriptures proves the Rapture is pre-tribulational. All raptured Christians will receive glorified bodies (Romans 8:22-23; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54)) and it can happen at any second.





THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 6-9 AND 17)



The Ministry of 144,000 sealed Jewish believers will bring many throughout the world to accept Christ.



There will be a powerful Ministry of Two Witnesses who will also be anointed Jewish believers.



A one world religious system (Babylon the Harlot) will rule. Under this one world religious system, many who are saved during the Tribulation will suffer persecution and death.



The Political system of the 10 kings of the one world government will continue.



During the first half of the Tribulation there will also be war, worldwide famine, death (1/4 of the world’s population will die), a huge earthquake, a blackout and a meteor shower. 1/3 of earth’s dry surface will be destroyed, 1/3 sea life and salt water will be destroyed, a fallen angel called Wormwood will make 1/3 of earth’s fresh water bitter, 1/3 of earth’s natural light sources will be destroyed, there will be another blackout and demons in the form of “locust-scorpions” will come up out of the abyss led by Abaddon their king and they will inflict harm and pain for five months upon those who are not sealed by God (unbelievers). Another demonic invasion will occur and the demons involved will be led by four fallen angels who will be released from the Euphrates River and this army will kill 1/3 of the earth’s population.





MID-TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 10-14 AND 17)



The Antichrist will war against the 10 kings, and during the war the Antichrist will be killed.



Satan will be cast out of the atmospheric heavens onto earth and will resurrect the Antichrist.



The Antichrist will kill 3 kings (the kings of Syria, Egypt and Mesopotamia) and the 7 other kings will submit to him.



The Antichrist will kill the Two Witnesses in Jerusalem and the wicked people will celebrate this event. Three and a half days afterwards, God will resurrect the Two Witnesses and take them up to Heaven and the people who celebrated will become terrified. The city of Jerusalem where the murder of the Two Witnesses occurred will then suffer an earthquake which will kill 7,000 people.



The False Prophet will receive from Satan the power to perform great miracles and will deceive many. The False Prophet will command all people to worship the Antichrist and have persons create an image to the Antichrist. The False Prophet will use his satanic powers to give it life and the ability to speak. The False Prophet will cause those who refuse to worship the Antichrist and the image to be killed.



The False Prophet will issue his own counterfeit seal known as the Mark of the Beast and it will be placed on all those who surrender to the Antichrist’s authority and accept him as god. Those who refuse to take this mark will not be able to buy or sell. Those who take this mark will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.



The Antichrist will break the seven-year covenant he made with Israel, cause the sacrifices to stop, sit in the Jewish Temple, declare to the world that he is really God and set up an idol called the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple (Daniel 9:27; Daniel 12:11; Matthew 24:15-16; 11Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 13:11-15).



Through the Antichrist and the False Prophet, Satan will attempt to destroy the Jews once and for all but he will fail because 1/3 of the Jews will succeed in fleeing into the wilderness. These Jews who escape will accept the Lord Jesus as their Saviour during the Tribulation (Zechariah 13:7-9) and while they are in hiding, God will miraculously provide for them (Zechariah 13:8-9; Isaiah 41:17-20). Divine intervention will also destroy the pursuing army.





THE SECOND HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES FOUND IN REVELATION 15, 16, 18, 19, 20)



In the second half of the Tribulation, those with the Mark of the Beast will suffer skin sores, the remainder of sea water and fresh water will be destroyed, the sun will cause terrible burns and the wicked will blaspheme God. There will be yet another blackout and persons will suffer gnawing pains.



Babylon will be the center of world economy and political system but Babylon will be swiftly destroyed by fire and become uninhabitable for man.



The Antichrist will locate the Jews who sought refuge in the wilderness and surround them with his armies to wipe them out. The Lord Jesus will then descend from Heaven with His angels and Saints. He will come with great glory riding upon a horse and will destroy the Antichrist, the False Prophet and all of their armies. After this, a loud voice will cry out “It is done!” followed by the greatest earthquake in the earth’s history and hail weighing 120 pounds will fall.



At the end of the Tribulation, there will be another blackout, the stars will fall from the sky and the heavenly bodies will be shaken (Matthew 24:29), the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be thrown into the eternal Lake of Fire and Satan will be cast into the Abyss and bound for 1,000 years.





THE MILLENNIUM



The Lord Jesus will reign over the entire earth during the Millennium. The Jewish and Gentile believers who survive the Tribulation will go on to populate the Millennium. Believers who died before and during the Tribulation and believers who were raptured will be present on earth during the Millennium and because they will have glorified bodies they will not reproduce. All believers will be given special tasks by the Lord Jesus (Revelation 20:4-6). There will be no wars (Isaiah 2:2-4), animals will return to the Edenic state and become vegetarians (Isaiah 11:6-9), people will not labour in vain but eat what they plant and inhabit what they build, there will be renovations in the heavens and earth and there will be righteous and unrighteous children born during the Millennium (Isaiah 65:17-25).



At the end of the Millennium, Satan will be loosed from the Abyss and will deceive and gather the unrighteous for a war against the righteous. This will be his final attempt to destroy the righteous and when the unrighteous of the Millennium surround the good people, God will send fire down from Heaven which will suddenly and massively annihilate all of the wicked people. Satan will then be cast into the Lake of Fire where he will remain in torment for eternity (Revelation 20:7-10).





THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT



The Great White Throne Judgment will be the next main event. The old heavens and earth will be done away with and all will stand before God’s throne to be judged (Revelation 20:11-12). Those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life will be cast into the Lake of Fire which will be their final and eternal abode (Revelation 20:14-15).





THE ETERNAL ORDER (REVELATION 21 AND 22)



Those whose names are found in the Book of Life will enjoy paradise with God forever. The heavens and earth will be made new and the New Jerusalem will come down upon the earth making the earth like Heaven. All curses from the fall will be removed and the earth will be inhabited by the Triune God (The Father, Son and Holy Spirit), all angels and all of the righteous. The seas, moon, night and sun will be done away with and the glory of God will illuminate the earth. The River of Life will flow from God’s throne, the Tree of Life will bear health-giving fruits and leaves and the name of Jesus will be on the foreheads of all of the righteous.





God’s Plan of Salvation for Us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZkDk1GZ7do
BigJohn316
2008-03-30 11:41:45 UTC
Some people have a misunderstanding of the Bible. Revelation uses alot of symbolisim. But, if they trust in Jesus as their Savior, they will be saved.
gertystorrud
2008-03-30 11:54:06 UTC
"They" also need to study The Book of Revelation a little closer and see that The Church is no longer mentioned after Revelation 3! (There WILL be a Rapture and God will NOT subject His Bride to Wrath!!) Simple! <')))><
gravychain22222
2008-03-30 11:45:53 UTC
Most churches?

A minority of some offshoots of christianity is the best you could actually say.
john wondering
2008-03-30 11:46:38 UTC
Do you believe that "Goldilocks and the Three Bears" is true?
big nasty
2008-03-30 11:46:39 UTC
huh


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