Do Christians know their evidence for their god and bible is so weak and this is why they resort to threats?

Question

If they had evidence, there would be no need to threaten people with hell, right? Doesn’t the truth speak for itself with no need to threaten people to make them believe it? Does the fact that Christians do regularly resort to threats indicate that their assertions about their god and bible are not the truth?

Answer 1

Bull, Plenty of Evidence for God, Your being here trying to Convince yourself by trying to Convince us day after day wasting all day with Stupid questions aimed at Christianity so for you to have your all mighty powerful atheist utopia, Well it's not going to happen, accept it

Answer 2

Well, one could argue the same thing about people who believe in Evolution: most of them don't know the evidence for it, nor do they know they should be doing scientific scrutiny upon Evolution.

That said, Hell (as in Luke 16:19-31) was considered real enough by God and Jesus that Jesus willingly died upon the cross (John 3:16) so that you could avoid going there. And no, I didn't look in the Bible to get those verses, I remembered them.

Since you are seeking the truth, has anyone told you that recently some dude thought it would be fun to see if you could radio-carbon date raw diamonds which were mined from known locations in the fossil layers, each of which Evolution proponents would date as being millions of years old, and so should have no measurable Carbon 14 in it. You can imagine his surprise when not only did he get readings, but the ages all came in as being between 68K and about 80k years old. This means the dating system for the fossil layers (millions of years) is wildly wrong!

As I said at the start, the proponents of Evolution should be conducting scientific scrutiny upon that theory to make sure the evidence for it is up to date, and to see if it is still relevant. To me, the above is just one example of the evidence that raises questions about the validity of the theory of Evolution, and that maybe it is time for a new theory to be put forward. But that won't happen because so many proponents aren't interested in knowing the truth, they prefer the assertions that Evolution happened.



In the scientific paper below the term "ka" = thousands of years, thus 69.3 ± 0.5 ka = 69300 years +/- 500 years.

Answer 3

God is not weak nor is the Bible. We don't threaten you. We only tell you what God says.



The Bible is God's written Word to us.

It was written by human authors, under the supernatural guidance of the Holy Spirit.



“Above all you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” 2 Peter 1:20-21. (New International Version)



Breakdown of the Bible

36 human authors inspired entirely by God over 1600 years.

66 separate books



39 Old Testament

Genesis- The creation of the world, sin, flood and birth of Israel

Exodus to Esther- History of the nation of Israel

Job to Proverbs- the books of poetry and wisdom

Isaiah to Malachi- Prophecy or foretelling of the future events to come.



27 New Testament

Matthew to John - Four Gospels representing the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ now with all authority in Heaven and earth.

Acts- Birth of the Church (The Bride of Christ)

Romans to Jude - Letters to the Churches

Revelations - The ultimate future plans for: The Church, Heaven, Hell, a New Heaven and a New Earth.



Here are some Bible Study Resources for anything you may want to look up:

http://www.Biblegateway.com

http://www.Ntgateway.com

http://www.Bible.org

http://www.bible-history.com

http://www.answersingenesis.org/

Answer 4

If a place exists then how is it a threat?



Its like saying a construction worker is threatening you with a dead end road or a huge sink hole if you keep going down that street. Is he threatening you or telling you whats ahead?



So tell me, is the fact that you regularly resort to horrible trolling with fascist views of theists, mainly Christians, any indication that you are simply a bigot? Does lying and making up false information indicate that you have no reliable evidence for your claim that their is no God?



What exactly are you afraid of? Do you need someone to hold your hand? Do you want a hug? How about a card that says nice relaxing things?

Answer 5

Threats? I don't remember being threatened with hell by any Christians.

I don't recall when I have threatened anyone with it either.



The evidence for God is all around us, if you know how to look.



If you are correct in believing that there is no God, then neither of us has lost anything.

If Christians are correct, then you will have lost everything.

Answer 6

What threats? What Christians with threats?



If the evidence for the Bible was anything but strong, you would not be asking the question.



Why not ask Jews to defend the Bible instead? The nation of Israel faithfully transcribed, and preserved God's word through the ages, so that there is far more evidence for the veracity of the Bible than any other ancient book, including any by Homer.

Answer 7

I agree with you about one thing, people should not threaten anyone will hell. We don't know whose going and whose not, only God does. I definitely get annoyed because that's a guaranteed way to turn people away from God. However, it is our responsibility to preach the truth and tell of the horrors of hell. Proof of God's word is all around us. Hell is definitely a real place and the bible references many scriptures that give it's location. It's in the center of the earth and scientist unknowingly found different things in the earth proofing the bible to be accurate. Of course, they don't label what they find as evidence of hell. Where do you think the lava from volcanoes erupt from? The core of the earth isn't just hot randomly, it's because there's something down there. There's also a scripture that says in hell their worm dieth not. Scientist have discovered 8 foot worms way in the bottom of the ocean. God is in everything, he's even using science to prove what he said in his word is true. Overall, the emphasis on the horrors of hell isn't to make anyone feel inferior or stupid. It's a warning because hell is a terrifying place, a place that once you're there, you'll never escape from. Hell was not originally desgined for us, it was meant for satan and his angels. God wants as many of his children to come home with him as he can. That's why he has people like me and other christians pleading with everyone to get saved .But if we don't heed to his warnings, there's nothing he can do, no matter how much he loves us. Your memory of this world will forever be in your head, as well as everytime someone preached the word to you. Every warning and every chance a person had to be saved will be remembered even in hell.

Answer 8

No and No.



The Bible also never says there is burning for all eternity, but for the life of the entity. Hell is going to be located on the surface of the earth, hence people are not burning right now.



Also if people are not burning right now than they are still dead.



If the bad people are dead than the good people are dead.



This is the reason the Bible says (1 Thes 4:15, 16) and He (Jesus) shall descend from Heaven with a shout and with the voice of an archangel and the dead in Christ shall rise first, then those who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the air.









Let's go over this



No burning now.

No watching of those burning now.

No eternal burning.

Hell not meant for humans (Jesus said Satan and his angels)

Hell only for those who don't love God.





Wow! Sounds like Heaven would be Hell for those who reject God.God spares people from eternal torment by them not living with someone that they hate for all eternity.







See how misguided misconceptions can be?

Answer 9

1. accurate historical record

2. Prophecies fulfilled ( read a history book and Jeremiah- read the news and Ezekiel 37-38

3. A literary flow and consistency in spite of being written by over 60 different authors and over a period of 600 years - that could only be through divine inspiration. Any collusion could not be possible as these men were separated by centuries and thousand of miles that were impossible to travel in that time. They did not even use horses- they walked or rode on mules. A days travel was about 20 miles at the most- that would have been from sunup to sundown without stopping for anything. Think about it!

4. Just like a good recipe the proof in in the pudding is in the eating- so the proof of the Bible is in the reading. (John 7:17)



John 7:17 (New International Version)



17If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

Answer 10

I assume that you understand that this is just another version of the old "When did you stop beating your wife?" question.



If you still don't understand that concept, I will illustrate with an analogous concoction: "Do you know that evidence for your anti-Christian position is so weak and your own lack of confidence in your position is so obvious (in your contrived question) that everyone realizes that your only recourse was to resort to fabricating straw man arguments? Is that really the best that you can do? Why did you give up so easily? You should at least try!



Next time, how about a little more originality? A rant like yours should at least have some wit to it.

Answer 11

No one hear is threatening you dear heart...We all love you as our own...Do you feel threatened? Are you frightened or is there some reason you're feeling insecure about your future or something?

But you don't have any worries dear, because you don't believe anyway, right? So there's no need to be ugly about it dear..I say, go to those who are intimidating you and making you feel insecure and debate and argue with them...By the way dear, My Bible is so strong, the God in it who promised me all that I have told me to challenge him and put him to the test, so I did exactly that 40 years ago, and each time I would leave his side, I would lose all that peace and love of family would threaten our household and my business would diminish to almost nil...Now that I finally "got it" I will tell you that I for one, am convinced that that God is REAL...And I am a bit of a miracle as proof.

Answer 12

God in quran (21) he's God, the only Lord, Who is familiar with the unseen and the seen. he's the Beneficent and All-merciful One. (22) he's the only Lord, the King, the Holy, the Peace, the Forgiver, the Watchful dad or mum, the Majestic, the Dominant, and the Exalted. God is purely too exalted to have any better half. (23) he's the author, the dressmaker, the Modeler, and to Him belong all virtuous names. All that's in the heavens and the earth glorify Him. he's All-majestic and All-smart. (24) (254) God exists. there is no God yet He, the eternal and the dad or mum of existence. Drowsiness or sleep do not grab him. To Him belongs all that's in the heavens and the earth. no you will intercede with Him for others different than via His permission. He is familiar with approximately human beings's recent and previous. no you will carry close something from His information besides what He has approved them to hold close. The heavens and the earth are decrease than His dominion. He does not journey fatigue in conserving them the two. he's the optimal and the main suitable. (255

Answer 13

Christians don't threaten, they tell it as it is. Read the bible for yourself and you'll see where it all comes from. Take it or leave it, it's YOUR choice.



You might not wish to believe what I will now tell you. When I was saved (became a Christian) at the age of 18 I was already a church-goer (from birth). Nothing of what I'd heard in church, Sunday school or the church day school I'd attended for 6 years, saved me. In my late teens I heard the gospel preached in a meaningful way and it was not the threat of hell (which I'd heard of in a limp sort of way in church, many times) which changed things but the fact that someone (filled with the Holy Spirit) was able to make me understand, through their sermon, that Jesus LOVED me so much that He wanted to spent eternity with those who also loved Him and that He had died IN MY PLACE taking all my punishment so that I would be free from sin and able to enter my eternal home where He will also dwell. Hell fire was not the message which made me understand but the fact that Jesus died a horrifying death FOR ME.



I know of no other prophet, would-be messiah, spiritual leader etc. who has done anything remotely similar for those he claims to love. Cult leaders lead their followers to cruel deaths but Jesus offered Himself as the sacrifice.



There is little similarity between Christianity and other religions. If you studied the New Testament and the words of Jesus you would understand this more.



THREATS SAVE NO ONE. LOVE is what Jesus offers.

Answer 14

My answer was too long. If you're interested in seeing if Christians actually have any good reasons E-mail me at [e-mail]

But seeing the way you wrote your description it looks like you don't want an answer. If you actually saw God you would probably not believe he was there. I'm not making assumptions about atheists but about you in general. I'm guessing if you read this you'll probably say something like "I know that his proof isn't any good because no good is how all those Bible beating hypocrites are!" If I'm wrong about you and in fact you aren't the kind of Atheist who is close-minded, hateful, bigoted, and presumptuous, the kind of atheist who makes the atheist community look bad, I invite you to prove it by considering the information that I have available. If you are as correct as you claim you will have no problem disproving me.

Answer 15

Hell is not a threat, but both a warning and promise for those who reject Jesus. If you want to live a life without Jesus as your Lord and Savior, this is what you should expect. If I told you an F5 tornado is coming towards your house, and you were sleeping, would you get up and get out? This is the warning God is giving for those who reject Jesus. Romans 10:9-10 is the only way to be born again, and have eternal life.

Answer 16

Since I know what I believe is true, then I only speak what the Bible says. There are other religions that threaten people with hell, also, and some that threaten living people with death if they don't convert.

Answer 17

A true, and loving Christian is the best evidence for God. They know that all men and women deserve hell, and unless someone intervenes...like Jesus did, when He offered His life to pay our debt to God the Father...then we would all be in hell, eventually.



If one consider the offer of life, and especially eternal life in Christ...a threat, then one is fully in agreement with Satan. The offer of eternal life to sinners who were his property...is a real threat to him. Kind of an "honor" thing...if Jesus redeems them...buys them back from the Devil, then the devil "loses face". The real threat is that Satan already owns us. I would be concerned about changing that little reality, and maybe a Christian, with strong, or with weak evidence will help you find the way out.

Answer 18

Desiree, keep sucking in God's air through your lungs and talking that yak, but life is what it is because of Who made it.

The earth was here when you came and the earth will still be here when you leave.



No one here on earth made up hell neither heaven. You sound like you received the threat as truth!



This is truth to all mankind. We don't have control of this world and the powers that be, we just live here until the appointed time for us to leave. What are you leaving here with?



I am leaving with Christ as my Savior and going to live eternal life with Him in heaven, because I choose to believe in God the Father, Jesus His Son and The Holy Spirit of God.



You keep waking up and saying good morning and stop tripping! Everyone will see death's door and that's for certain. Where will you go from there?

Answer 19

I don't recall threats being made, but if so, I apologize. Many times atheists and agnostics alike treat as threats the truth told in the New Testament: If you wished to be saved you must take up your cross and follow me. No one comes to the Father except through me (Jesus).



My faith in Jesus allows me to say two things: Alleluia He is risen, and if you don't believe that, I suppose we'll find out for sure somewhere down the road.



GBAH.

Answer 20

No one cares if you don't believe. That's your choice. From the remarks on this site , there are a lot who don't believe . Its OK. I'm not going to lose any sleep over them.

Believe me Christians are not weak or scared, I've fought in wars , I've retired as a maximum security guard, I'm not scared.

I have faith . that's the difference between you and I.

God is not weak.

You need a few more things to jump off in your life , maybe you'll figure it out then.

Answer 21

Many Christians follow like foolish sheep wrong doctrines. What people don't seem to realise is that the books of the Bible were not originally written in English. Therefore they have been translated from Hebrew (Old Testament) or Greek and Aramaic (New Testament), there was also the Greek Septuagint version of the Old Testament which it is thought that Jesus would have known from the synagogues.



So then the translators looked at which words they should apply as the nearest to the original meaning. Sometimes their own doctrines influenced them in this translation. The word Hell is one of these interesting words. The normal meaning of hell is the grave, the place of the dead. So when it says that hell could not hold Jesus it means the grave. When we all die we go to this hell/grave.



The other important word translated as hell is 'gehenna'. This has its origins in tribes who once inhabited the land of Israel who were idolatrous and 'passed their children through fire to their gods'. In other words they sacrificed their children to their gods. This place, the Valley of Hinnom, by the time of Jesus Christ had been turned into the city of Jerusalem's great refuse dump which had fires continually burning to get rid of all this rubbish. It is said that probably the unclaimed bodies of those crucified were thrown into these flames as Jerusalem is on rock and graves not easily found.



This is the 'hell' image that the people in the time of Jesus would be so familiar with and where they wouldn't want to end up. Later on in 'Church' history this 'hell' was talked up to be something to threaten people with so as to make them submissive. Writers, painters and poets embroidered it all and we have an exaggerated idea which haunts many people's minds.



Revelation 22

12 ¶ And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.



Revelation 22

20 ¶ He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.





When Jesus returns graves will be opened and those who have been faithful have been promised eternal life in a changed world through the grace of God. Will we have identified ourselves as wishing to serve the LORD God by the time we go to our graves? I trust so.

Answer 22

For evidence for the Bible please read below:



The Judo-Christian God of the Bible is the One and True God because He is the only God that has with stood the test of time, science, history, and prophecies of the Bible. This can be seen through the Dead Sea Scrolls that were written over 2000 years ago; proving that it with stood the test of time because it matches up word-for-word of the Hebrew Bible today. Verses such as Leviticus 17:14 stating “For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.” and Isaiah 40:22 stating “It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:”. These verses in the Bible are proven to be scientifically true thousands of years after they were written! The Israelites being enslaved to the Egyptians 3000 years ago and the Israelites spending 40 years in the desert is historically accurate proving that the Bible stands the test of history. And the test of prophecy is being fulfilled right now by the world leaders discussing and making plans how on they, the leaders of the world, are able to unite the world through a global government and economy. This is written in the Bible in verse of Revelation 13:7 “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” and in Revelation 13:16-17 “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”.

Answer 23

If I tell you that jumping off a 20 story building will kill you, is that threatening you? If I tell you playing with matches might burn you, is that threatening you?



No. Telling you what will happen to you if you keep on rejecting Jesus is not threatening you but instead is warning you of what will happen to you. You have the free will to reject Jesus, just like you have the free will to jump off a 20 story building, both are not a very good thing to do.



There is a Heaven and there is a Hell and you have the free will to chose what you want. I just hope one of the days you will accept Jesus and be in Heaven with Jesus!

Answer 24

Hell is not an empty threat it is a promise. A good Christian will not bash or threat. Then again not all who consider themself Christians actually are. I pitty the fool who has rejected Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and am inclined to pray for those who have never had the chance to learn about Him.

Answer 25

Hell is a reality and the bible says so !!! So cancel the threat idea !!! All we are doing is carrying the truth to you !!!



http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=248



Jesus claimed to be God - John 8:24; 8:56-59 (see Exodus 3:14); John 10:30-33

Jesus is called God - John 1:1,14; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8

Jesus is the image of the invisible God - Heb. 1:3

Jesus abides forever - Heb. 7:24

Jesus created all things - John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17

Jesus is before all things - John 1:1-3; Col. 1:17;

Jesus is eternal - John 1:1,14; 8:58; Micah 5:1-2

Jesus is honored the same as the Father - John 5:23

Jesus is prayed to - Acts 7:55-60; 1 Cor. 1:2 with Psalm 116:4; (John 14:14)

Jesus is worshipped - Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6

Jesus is omnipresent - Matt. 18:20; 28:20

Jesus is with us always - Matt. 28:20

Jesus is our only mediator between God and ourselves - 1 Tim. 2:5

Jesus is the guarantee of a better covenant - Heb. 7:22; 8:6

Jesus said, "I AM the Bread of Life" - John 6:35,41,48,51

Jesus said, "I AM the Door" - John 10:7,9

Jesus said, "I AM the Good Shepherd" - John 10:11,14

Jesus said, "I AM the Way the Truth and The Life" - John 14:6

Jesus said, "I AM the Light of the world" - John 8:12; 9:5; 12:46; Luke 2:32

Jesus said, "I AM the True Vine" - John 15:1,5

Jesus said, "I AM the Resurrection and the Life" - John 11:25

Jesus said, "I AM the First and the Last" - Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13

Jesus always lives to make intercession for us - Heb. 7:25

Jesus cleanses from sin - 1 John 1:9

Jesus cleanses us from our sins by His blood - Rev. 1:5; Rom. 5:9

Jesus forgives sins - Matt. 9:1-7; Luke 5:20; 7:48

Jesus saves forever - Matt. 18:11; John 10:28; Heb. 7:25



Please pray a sincere prayer with all of your heart admitting to Jesus you are a sinner. Have full faith that His blood pays off all of your sins and accept His gift of everlasting life.

Answer 26

The ones who threaten others with "hell" do not know either God and the Bible, and so do not represent either. The King James, or "Authorized", Version of the Bible has said for 400 years, in its footnotes, that "hell" could equally well be translated, "the grave" ("hole")(Psalm 86:13 footnote; Revelation 20:10-13, footnote) And, in fact, both the Protestant KJ and the Catholic Douay do translate "hell", "grave" and "pit" from exactly the same word on occasion, showing that they are really the same thing. And the Bible has always said that, rather than being tortured, that "the soul that is sinning--it itself will die." (Ezekiel 18:4)



Still, you should know that there is plenty of evidence of an intelligent Creator in the world of living things.



For instance, ever tried to swat a fly? Not necessarily easy, right? Know why? It has to do with the fly's navigational system. It has a single vibrating rod in its abdomen, and as it changes direction in flight, it senses the changes in the vibrations of that rod and is able to dodge you, fly and land upside down and backwards. What would the Air Force pay to have flying and navigational systems that good?



How did the fly manage to evolve such a system? Even if it evolved a flopping rod, what good would it be without the muscles to vibrate it? And the unusual vibrating motion? And the nerves to send the signals from the rod to the brain? And the section of the brain to interpret the signals? And the correct instructions to interpret them? And the correct instructions to the part of the brain that controlled the wings as to what to DO about those signals? All AT THE SAME TIME. ALL USELESS UNTIL COMPLETE, giving natural selection no advantage to select during all the early "developmental stages". Wouldn't that be a remarkable coincidence? I ask people, "Could YOU sit down, right now, and write the code for such a set of instructions? And if your ten billion well trained and coordinated neurons put together can't do it with an education and a computer, is it really sensible to think that flies did it by themselves?"



The fly has a complete navigational system that is self-constructing (in its egg), self-reproducing, self-programming, self-correcting, that can fly upside down and backwards, avoiding dangers and locating and recognizing fuel (food), that requires even MORE entire, completely developed systems that even large groups of highly educated humans cannot or are only now beginning to be able to copy (and only by intelligent design), all microminiaturized into a space smaller than the head of a pin, with the code for it in characters that are the size of molecules (I wonder how many characters per inch that works out to? Pretty hi-tech data storage).



So I ask people, "In your experience, how many complete flying and navigational systems do you know of that have happened completely by accident, with no intelligent thought or design?" "Did you ever read the story of all the thought and work needed to design and build a flying machine, as told by the Wright brothers themselves? So how scientific is it to say that it just happened by blind accidents in the case of the lowly, incredibly complex fly?"



All of the animal and plant world is full of examples like these. Your body is, too. Johns Hopkins University made the newspapers by making one enzyme. It must have been pretty hard to do. It was no accident. But your liver manufactures over nine hundred enzymes, all necessary for you to live, and no one thinks about putting THAT in the paper. "Could have happened completely by accident" (which is what evolution equates to, isn't it?) But if 900+ enzymes could happen so easily, simply by accidents of evolution, then why put the university in the news because it was able to produce ONE?



This isn't defending the indefensible things done and taught supposedly in God's name...



Best regards,

Mike

Answer 27

Those that threaten men with hell. Show immaturity. God does not threaten men with hell.

Answer 28

I believe proving the food and hygiene laws written for the human race 4,000 years ago in the book of Leviticus being based on someones working knowledge of the germ theory of disease and the modern human body far from being weak evidence to prove the existence of our God Yahweh. That is a fact and a threat all in one.

Answer 29

I don't see anyone threatening anyone. Love is what we share with people. The Love that God has shared with us we share with you. If you feel threatened then maybe you should find out why you are so offended.

Answer 30

God provides a way to avoid hell, faith in his son (who died for your sins on a cross).

It's a promise God has to save those who seek him, it's also a promise to condemn those

who do not.



Isaiah 55:8

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.



Proverbs 14:12

There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.



That would be eternal death as opposed to eternal life.

Answer 31

*Sigh* and a little ROFL..... geesh, I would just love to know how you people, anyone, gets WE are making threats ... I have NEVER seen nor read where a Christian or any other person of any faith have said, * I will send you to hell if you don't believe what I do *..... Do you people NOT know the difference between a quote of a verse and a threat ?? I know you like to look for TROUBLE, but this is just a tad past the logical point ..... go in peace... God bless

Answer 32

Dungeree I just answered this type of question!!!

First of all just to show that atheist are like that guy who said to Mr. Burns, "I thought you said you was dead?" In other words you think you know what you think you know,therefore, what do you think the definition of what religion is? Websters definition don't count for if it is directed towards God then He should have a definition for it. Romans 10:3, " For they beginning ignorant of the righteousness of God and going about to establish their own righteousness have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God." Does this let you know that you came to a gun fight with a knife? I know you were not expecting that cause you thought it was all about Him and not about man made righteousness over Him.

Okay, you say that the Bible is weak. If the God of the Bible were real He could predict what would come against His truth in the future, right? Well in anticipation of false prophets and false faiths in His foreknowledge He made recorded in the Bible 2 verses that warn of angels claiming to be messengers from God baring false messages. Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith say that it was an angel that came to them as messengers from God with messages contrary to the Bible. Read 2 Corinthians 11:14 and Galatians 1:8,9. Bibles are easy to find to check these verses and the history of Islam and LDS is not hidden.

Now if this one don't prove to you that as atheist your reality is one dimensional and that when you see through your life's delusions there lays the danger and for you that danger is the truth.

In the Book of Revelations (which we are living in at present) there is a letter written by the last of the apostles John dictated to him by JC to the church of Pergamos which is in modern day Turkey. Revelations 2:13 says that God knows where Satan dwells and where his seat is. Historians and theologians knew Pergamos as a major center of Christian worship for the many churches built in that ancient Roman city noted for it's wealth. But in more modern times they got to digging into the ground there and made a discovery that took them completely by surprise. They excavated a huge temple complex (completely intact) with well crafted statues in expensive marble elaborate designs and ornate walls but it was not dedicated to God but to Satan. Until then that verse was taken for granted but that dig made that single verse relevant, even though you don't accept it's strength in truth. Proof is on the internet type in Church of Pergamos or museum of Pergamos or the Biblical archaeological Review June issue 2004..

Well don't get mad at me, the Bible said that one day the stones shall bare to the truth.

Please understand this about Christians, most that you will run across are nominal in knowledge of the Word of God and in faith for we don't threaten. God ain't Allah He don't want you to submit you believe in Him cause you want to, that's why you have free will. Who would you love most a man loving you for your wealth or the man who had no idea that you were wealthy and just loves you too much? That is who God wants and besides Ephesians 1:4 says that He picked His believers before the foundation of the world, so He stacked the deck!!

Answer 33

Our evidence is plentiful but you just do not accept it. You choice with your free will.



We do not threat. God offers you eternal life with Him, and it is hardly a threat if you do not believe in His Word

Answer 34

since you're a non-believer, WHAT do you know about scripture to call hell a 'threat'?



excuse me, hell is a REALITY vs a threat.



and if you don't believe scripture, WHY do you fear hell which threatens you?

it tells me that instinctively, you FEAR hell, don't you.

instinctively, you feel such a place exists and you would hate to go there.



well, its called ... freewill.



take yr pick and choose yr own afterlife destination ...

Answer 35

threat, what?! Did I miss something? I don't recall ever threatening anyone with hell, or hearing hell damnation from the pulpit of any of the churches in my denomination. So Christians or "christians" please be specific when referring to "Christians." I know you don't like it when people say that all Atheists are evil and going to hell so is it understandable that I don't like being associated with people who use my faith to justify their hate and be put in the "hateful, hypocritical, bigot" category.



We can't possibly have all the answers. God is beyond the human concept of rationality.

Answer 36

I don't threaten people, the Bible speaks for itself.



You have free will, decide for yourself.

Answer 37

If your house was on fire and i tried to wake you and save your life would you say i was threatening you? Hell is already there you are already on that course we are trying to divert you from the path you are on.

Answer 38

I have evidence that the whole world tries to obey God !

Answer 39

Desiree Said:

Do Christians know their evidence for their god and bible is so weak



Bill Said:



No we have 20/20 spiritual vision!



The evidence for Creation is overwhelmingly clear to anyone who looks!





The evidence for Creation is Common Sense!



The Single Cell which is the basic building block for all of creation is so complex that scientist now know without any doubt that it was created.



DNA is Gods computer program .... Instruction Set if you will ... to instruct the Single Cell .... in others words .... tells the Single Cell what kind of a Cell to build!



Jesus who is the goodness born into every man instructs ALL of US to keep looking for him!



When you get to the point where your sin is more important than GOD then you will not want to retain God in your knowledge and it is then that GOD allows you to .... screw up big time.



(Romans 1:18 KJV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;



(Romans 1:19 KJV) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.



(Romans 1:20 KJV) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:



Desiree Said:



Does the fact that Christians do regularly resort to threats indicate that their assertions about their god and bible are not the truth?



Bill Said:



No!



We do not threaten we bless you, pray for you and we advice you that SIN results in Death !



Our Job as Messengers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is to :



Convict you of the consequences of Sin which is Death!



To instruct you in what God expects of us i.e. Righteousness!



And Warn you of Judgement i.e. final condition that SIN .... your Sin .... will result in.



Offer you the TRUTH about HOW God himself has become a man and accomplished for you all of the requirements in order for you to have your Eternal Life back.



(John 3:15 KJV) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.



(John 3:16 KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.



(John 3:17 KJV) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.



(John 3:18 KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.



(Psalms 2:11 KJV) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.



(Psalms 2:12 KJV) Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.



I hope when you find yourself calling out to Jesus,



you will call out to him in a way that will result in salvation!



Maranatha

Answer 40

Speaking for myself, I don't care what you think or what you believe in. I am not here to save you nor do I care if you believe in God. Some Christians and other religious types feel the need to "do works" or save people believing that they are pleasing God while doing so, and all I can say to them is good luck with that because all you need to do is put it out there and then it is entirely on that individual to accept or reject it and then wait and see who gets the last laugh, not that its funny.

Answer 41

We don't threaten you we simply tell you what God says. If you have a problem with that it is with God and not us.

Answer 42

Have you ever actually looked at the evidence... I DARE YOU TO! I doubt you have the intellectual integrity to actually investigate Christianity. Actually the evidence is so high that any right thinking person can see it and believe. I find it is those that are only interested in themselves and their lifestyles that can't see it and wouldn't look for as long as one of those useless shows like American Idol is on each week. Simply put I bet you don't want there to be a God and don't want to look and your rants are part of your insecurity and anger at what you fear deep down.





The police use tickets to keep jerks from running 200 mph and the courts use prisons for the punishment of those that won't obey the laws. Is your choice of lifestyle one that you either don't want there to be a God because you know it is wrong but do it anyway or is it that your pride won't acknowledge you aren't perfect and will have to answer for your mistakes? God is just and He isn't going to just ignore those that reject his laws and reject him.... why should he, it is his right to judge and he knows men's hearts. You obviously hate God, you mock God and you reject God's offer of love and mercy, He is just giving you what you want, eternity without Him and the only other choice is Hell.... sorry you don't like it.





Here is some material by ex-athiests that came to faith after investigationi of the evidence you dismiss without ever looking at it. C.S. Lewis, Josh McDowell and Lee Strobel both testify their investigations took months and in the end they had to make the choice that seemed right.



Mere Christianity - C.S. Lewis

http://family.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=53027&event=CF



Case for Christ & Case for Faith - Lee Strobel

http://family.christianbook.com/case-christ-faith-2-volumes-1/lee-strobel/9780310608820/pd/608821?event=CF



The New Evidence that requires a Verdict - Josh McDowell

http://family.christianbook.com/new-evidence-demands-verdict/josh-mcdowell/9780785242192/pd/42199?event=CF



The Science of God Alister McGrath (Phd Molecular BioPhysics)

http://www.amazon.com/Science-God-Introduction-Scientific-Theology/dp/0802828159/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238768939&sr=1-5





It took me some time to find it, just so you get the idea, Bill Weise was given a vision of hell and told to go tell others so some might be saved, I hear it is a best selling book too.

23 minutes in hell

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=648563944666093503





Now if you are willing to look you can see the option we chose. Don Piper was declared dead in a head on car crash and talks about what he saw in heaven and in his recovery.

http://www.90minutesinheaven.com/

http://www.haventoday.com/prevbroadcast/1367

http://www.haventoday.com/prevbroadcast/1368





As for me Christianity is about a relationship with God and his demonstration of the severity of sin that required Jesus to pay our debts and the love He showed by doing so. It is about a relationship with God, a relationship with Jesus and a relationship with other believers and the world on a minute by minute basis!





I really feel sorry for you, the choice is yours though as to whether you want the forgiveness and mercy and love God offers or you want to reject it and face the judgment for your sins.

Answer 43

why don't you do a little more research on what the bible teaches. You sound like a person who just learned how to count from one to ten and thinks he knows how to do algebra. Before you make such an ignorant statement please do some research yourself and don't listen to others opinions.

Answer 44

A lot of them don't know that. And the reason why is simple, they don't even know what they beleive in, because an awful lot of them have not read the entire bible old + new testament. I know this from experience, my whole family is christian, I can't think of one single one of them that has actually read it. I've read it so I know my argument of opposition. Ironic isn't it?

Answer 45

I do not threaten anyone. I have no power to send anyone to hell. That power is within each of us.

Answer 46

so if God was provable, you would have no choice but to believe.....sounds like slavery.

This proves the atheists are afraid of freedom

Answer 47

Th truth includes hell. Would you have us lie so your sensibilities aren't ruffled?

Answer 48

Desi,

You have no enidence but I have what I need and that is all that matters. Have a great evening.

Thanks,

Eds

~~~

PS- I do not threaten you or anyone else sweetie.

~~~

Answer 49

we do have evidence



you are just too cold to see it, and your mind is closed



ALL you do is come her and tell lies and spew venom





99% of the people here, Christians and atheists, have no respect for you

Answer 50

1. No, they don't know.



2. There would be no need for threats.



3. Yes, it speaks for itself.



4. It does not necessarily mean they're not true (although I personally find no evidence for their religion)



Something gives me the feeling that you already knew the answer to all of these questions. Why don't you ask what you really want to ask?



"How can people believe stuff without any evidence?"



Because they were convinced all of this crap was true when they were kids and kids are are extremely trusting. Almost as trusting as adults.

Answer 51

I've never been threatened by Christians.

In fact, even God Himself does not force anyone to believe.



I think your rant is ridiculous.

Answer 52

There is no need for threats. As a Christian I myself simply share the truth of God which is His Word. If a threat is perceived by you from it, it is not I making a threat, but simply the Holy Spirit convicting your heart and maybe you should listen to your heart. The truth is given in love. Love for Christ who was sacrificed for us, and love for those who are lost without the truth, as we were. We have by the grace of God, learned this truth from God, through the conviction of the Holy Spirit. There is no need for us to provide proof or threats. The truth of God can only be received by those who God has called and have laid the truth of Himself upon their hearts. If your heart is not open to Him you will not receive it. However, if you perceive a threat or conviction then you have been called to learn the truth, and only you can answer the call. Proof is not needed by us, because God will reveal all truth to you, if you answer the call and accept Him as Savior. This is done through the building of your faith, which is also given by God. At that time not only will you begin to see the truth in Gods Word, but you will receive it in your heart, because the Holy Spirit will then live in your heart. This is what builds your faith and once you begin to receive the truth in faith, more proof will be given you. I am yet a child in faith, though I am more mature in Christ. That is because I can now see God in everything from the smallest to the biggest of things. I am still yet a child in faith, because faith grows with the more you rely upon it. There are still times I tend to rely upon self instead of God, and must learn from my mistakes. This is God building not only my faith, but my character as well. But, all of this begins with answering the call and that is entirely up to you. God by His grace has knocked upon the door, but only you can answer it. Ask yourself these questions. Why am I offended by what I hear about God? Why do I reject it out right without further questions or investigation? And, who would benefit from that rejection or acceptance? If God is real what does He expect of me? And why? The first two questions only you can answer. The last is simple. He simply expects love, why because He loves you. He has always loved you and always will. Even if you reject Him! It would break His heart if you do, the same way your heart breaks when you are rejected by another. Only a million times worse, because your rejection is life and death, because by rejecting Him you remain in sin. God and sin cannot coexist therefore, He will have no choice but to send you to hell. It will grieve Him, and because of His love He will attempt over and over to reach you in love, but in the end it is only your acceptance of Christ that will save you. This you may perceive as a threat, but it is not because, He leaves the choice in your hands. He is simply Holy and the light of the world and sin and darkness cannot exist together. And, by your rejection remain in sin therefore cannot be with God. Like two magnets that repel from one another. It's the same as if your earthly parents say to you, this is what we know to be right and wrong. We share with you both and leave the choice in your hands, hoping you will choose right over wrong, because we know the pain that comes from wrong. It is all done in love, the reason for Christ (God in the flesh). He has taken all pain and suffering upon Himself, so that you do not have to bear it when you come before Him. But, if you do not accept that He has done this for you, then that burden must be boar by you alone, and you will not be allowed to stay in His presence. Why should He do this? Love! And that is all He asks in return. The Bible, Gods Word is all about love. The closer you come to Christ and the more time you spend in it, the more you will see that, and understand that. But, it all begins with the choice you make. God is love, and that is what He wants for all His children. To simply be allowed by them to love them.

Answer 53

This is a fine thought, and all, but Christians are just going to say that they aren't "threatening" -- they're trying to "save" others from hell. They already believe.



So... moot point.

Answer 54

It's hard to believe a book that says there's a dome over the earth, that the earth is supported by pillars and is flat, and contradicts itself all over the place about the resurrection.



It's for gullible idiots.

Answer 55

Ha ha ha, we don't "threaten" people to hell. God promises it for grave sinners. I love having God on my side. Ha ha ha

Answer 56

Evidence for the Bible is pretty real girly! Just go to any bookstore, loads of them, in various versions.



I'm not threatening you to find out that that is true, but I bet your afraid to go look for yourself, cause you might find out I'm right.

Answer 57

It is only evidence of a lack of intelligence. Their misunderstanding of God's will doesn't disprove God's existence.



If i went around telling people that you wanted to destroy every living thing on earth, could that be taken as proof that you don't exist? This seems like a silly line of logic, or lack thereof.

Answer 58

sweetie go ahead an prove to me my God is a lie cuz i garuntee you wont be able to do it:) and if you dont believe then you will see wat happens on judgement day, we are just trying to help:) i kno some Christains get mad an offended and you will have to forgive us for that, but thats our beautiful God your talking about:)

Answer 59

I believe that's exactly why they resort to threats-

examples-

- You'll go to Hell if you don't believe in God

- You must fear your powerful yet somehow loving God

- You can't practice yoga because it exposes you to demonic beings. (like wtf. no.)



Isn't it also odd that the more educated a person is, the less likely they are to believe in God?

Answer 60

Nice generalization.

You know I heard all girls named Desiree love hamburgers. Do you love hamburgers?

Answer 61

If you can point to one answer on here "threatening" someone with hell who is not a Poe I will be shocked.

Answer 62

Just read some "Christian Apologetics" if you want a good laugh.